That one pass in his end zone while under duress. I’m sure he knows that too. Okay, so he made a mistake…it happens. This was his first game back so why make a big deal on this one play? Let’s review the positives of the game for him:
1. His numbers were pretty good: 11-18 for 138.
And had Nabers not dropped that long pass down the right sideline…and yes, it was beautifully thrown….Nabers has been catching harder passes than that all preseason….his stats would have been 12-18 for about 170. That’s not bad for one half of football.
2. No sacks, so he got rid of the ball quickly
3. Very accurate long passes…the one to Slayton for 44 was a beaut. The drop by Nabers in quarter 1 was nice. A few others to Nabers were nice.
4. His two minute drill at the end of the first half was tremendous. Too bad we had to kick a FG instead of a TD to tie up the game.
5. Being down 14-10 at half on the road isn’t too shabby.
6. This was Jones first game back from a serious injury. He looked poised and relaxed. Naturally, there will be some rust to shake off. Like I said, his numbers and the score at half are not an indication he stunk. Reading some comments saying otherwise is just not accurate. I think everyone who absolutely cannot cut Jones any slack will see what THEY WANT TO SEE. Like that one ill advised pass…..and forget the rest.
Oh well, I’m sure I can’t convince the hard of heart guys out there, but you should not be hating on Jones for THIS GAME.
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He did not look good. He looked like he normally looks.
That said, it's his first game action in 9 months or so. Hopefully, he takes a long look at that beard and switches it to a mustache.
Again, when does 12-18 for 170 become bad? (Adding in Nabers drop)
It wasn’t a drop. Stingley was holding his left arm, so Nabers had to try to make a one handed catch. That is a very tough catch for any WR. So if the ref had called a PI like he should have, that wouldn’t be tacked on to Jone’s totals.
Besides drops happen, just like bad passes to open WR’s happen. You don’t get to tack them on randomly.
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He did not look good. He looked like he normally looks.
That said, it's his first game action in 9 months or so. Hopefully, he takes a long look at that beard and switches it to a mustache.
Again, when does 12-18 for 170 become bad? (Adding in Nabers drop)
It wasn’t a drop. Stingley was holding his left arm, so Nabers had to try to make a one handed catch. That is a very tough catch for any WR. So if the ref had called a PI like he should have, that wouldn’t be tacked on to Jone’s totals.
Besides drops happen, just like bad passes to open WR’s happen. You don’t get to tack them on randomly.
And I will add one more thing, if you’re going to add Nabers drop to Jones’s stats, but not the dropped pick, you are simply not being honest with yourself. You don’t get to have it both ways.
Don’t want to denigrate a postseason win, but long term…I suspect it did more harm than good.
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My comments were about the game yesterday and how he performed. Once he settled down I think he was fine (for him). Is he Stroud, Mahomes, Herbert, etc. ? No, of course not and no one thinks that. If he can play like he did after the 1st two drives I think that is the best we can hope for. and hopefully its enough. If he surprises us all and really gets it together, then great.
I see no point in continually going back 1-3 years and complaining about what the team should have done at the QB position. It has no value and is annoying on a daily basis.
Generally agree. More discussion should be placed on why the QB we started in yesterday's preseason game is QB1 and, quite frankly, still on the roster altogether. DJ arguably has no real value for this team if he cannot even get through 30 minutes of a preseason game without looking like a train-wreck.
This is a complete waste of time and only holding back this team from doing anything this year.
I don't see DeVito or Lock being any better. At this point we are where we are, and unless we pick up someone it has to be DJ.
Its really silly to make determinations on devito, who has played less than a season, but we need to see more from jones after 65 games.
I don't think anyone says they need to see more from DJ. I think its clear what he is. Personally I don't think DeVito is any good either, but if Daboll thinks so then he should play him. I just want the team to win. I no longer care either way about DJ, he's made his bed at this point. Frankly I would like to see us trade for a good QB if one could be shaken loose, because I don't think we have any good QBs on the roster.
At least 10 wins, probably in the mix for the NFCE title. The only real weakness on the team other than QB is CB. Stroud is fucking amazing, he may be the best QB not named Pat Mahomes.
No less on a thread he started! LOL, you can’t make this shit up.
I would like to see DeVito get a quarter with the 1s next week
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He did not look good. He looked like he normally looks.
That said, it's his first game action in 9 months or so. Hopefully, he takes a long look at that beard and switches it to a mustache.
Again, when does 12-18 for 170 become bad? (Adding in Nabers drop)
It wasn’t a drop. Stingley was holding his left arm, so Nabers had to try to make a one handed catch. That is a very tough catch for any WR. So if the ref had called a PI like he should have, that wouldn’t be tacked on to Jone’s totals.
Besides drops happen, just like bad passes to open WR’s happen. You don’t get to tack them on randomly.
And I will add one more thing, if you’re going to add Nabers drop to Jones’s stats, but not the dropped pick, you are simply not being honest with yourself. You don’t get to have it both ways.
I didn’t see the whole game….streaming on iPad and I had a bunch of relatives over….i missed the dropped Pic you are referencing. I will watch the game on NFL Network tonight when it comes on. But I agree with you…if he threw one that should have been picked…that should be included when analyzing stats.
This type of self imposed curse is going to do a lot of things to the fan base. Apathy, misery, anger, and yes insanity. I assume most people will go through different phases over the many, many years. Some will remove themselves from caring for a while, then maybe snap back into it with a period of anger, then go back to apathy.
I'd guess every fan base would be like this in this situation. Bit we have no way of knowing. Because this never happens.
Outstanding post Jerry. OUTSTANDING!
I really want to see him with the varsity. Daboll should give him a half with most of the starters.
74 of Daniel Jones 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Mike Ford who was undrafted in 2018
−25 of his 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Kris Boyd, a 7th rd draft pick from 2019
74 of Daniel Jones 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Mike Ford who was undrafted in 2018
−25 of his 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Kris Boyd, a 7th rd draft pick from 2019
Such a good stat. Well done.
74 of Daniel Jones 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Mike Ford who was undrafted in 2018
−25 of his 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Kris Boyd, a 7th rd draft pick from 2019
So he only had 39 yards in the air vs. starters? Yeah. That feels me with optimism!!!!
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Extreme about the backups:
74 of Daniel Jones 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Mike Ford who was undrafted in 2018
−25 of his 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Kris Boyd, a 7th rd draft pick from 2019
So he only had 39 yards in the air vs. starters? Yeah. That feels me with optimism!!!!
No, he had 4 yds v the starters. The other 35 were against DB’s at a level slightly above journeyman.
74 of Daniel Jones 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Mike Ford who was undrafted in 2018
−25 of his 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Kris Boyd, a 7th rd draft pick from 2019
Those aren't "little stats". They are facts that tell a story about Jones's output.
It's telling they make you uncomfortable.
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Extreme about the backups:
74 of Daniel Jones 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Mike Ford who was undrafted in 2018
−25 of his 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Kris Boyd, a 7th rd draft pick from 2019
So he only had 39 yards in the air vs. starters? Yeah. That feels me with optimism!!!!
No, he had 4 yds v the starters. The other 35 were against DB’s at a level slightly above journeyman.
Is that 4 yards gross or net of the interception return yards going the other way?
The OP lectures us to be accurate with our comments.
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Extreme about the backups:
74 of Daniel Jones 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Mike Ford who was undrafted in 2018
−25 of his 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Kris Boyd, a 7th rd draft pick from 2019
Yes, let's dig up every little stat we can to shit on Jobes some more. You people are insuffarable. Deal with it, Jones is the starter because DeVito and Lock are simply not better players. It's not hard to figure out.
And you're a sham.
Haha. 'Please ignore your eyes & stats. Thank you.'
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Extreme about the backups:
74 of Daniel Jones 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Mike Ford who was undrafted in 2018
−25 of his 138 yards were targeting 3rd string CB Kris Boyd, a 7th rd draft pick from 2019
So he only had 39 yards in the air vs. starters? Yeah. That feels me with optimism!!!!
No, he had 4 yds v the starters. The other 35 were against DB’s at a level slightly above journeyman.
Is that 4 yards gross or net of the interception return yards going the other way?
The OP lectures us to be accurate with our comments.
Gross, he had 2 completions for a total of 4 yards.
If you were a "real fan", you would have said that Ford and Boyd are really good players, and they probably could start for a lot of teams.
I thought Eric made a great point - if the Giants had drafted a QB we might be talking about him getting some time with the starters. How would we all be feeling about this season if that were the situation?
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Listen to sy on the BBI podcast. He's spot on.
I thought Eric made a great point - if the Giants had drafted a QB we might be talking about him getting some time with the starters. How would we all be feeling about this season if that were the situation?
And John said how it's not overreacting to one play, or one half, but it's a pattern of play and bad decisions from Jones.
Exactly. This has been set up for Jones not to be challenged.
Well first, of course I am going to have to deal with it, since I don't have a say in the matter.
Also, yay. The Giants have such a bad situation at quarterback, the very average at best Jones is their best bet. Excellent.
Exactly. This has been set up for Jones not to be challenged.
There's no short leash or contingency. These boners believe they can make magic with Jones.
The only alternative in their mind was a top 3 blue chip prospect in a great year for quarterbacks.
They could have just signed Minshew to the contract he got this offseason and had a real competition
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They’d have brought in real competition. I fear they’ll start him until they’re officially out of playoff contention
Exactly. This has been set up for Jones not to be challenged.
There's no short leash or contingency. These boners believe they can make magic with Jones.
The only alternative in their mind was a top 3 blue chip prospect in a great year for quarterbacks.
Just so depressing.
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They’d have brought in real competition. I fear they’ll start him until they’re officially out of playoff contention
Exactly. This has been set up for Jones not to be challenged.
There's no short leash or contingency. These boners believe they can make magic with Jones.
The only alternative in their mind was a top 3 blue chip prospect in a great year for quarterbacks.
Eh I don't think BD will stick with Jones if he continues to play like he did Saturday
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That people will often see what they want to see.
I wonder if he has the self awareness to realize that after posting this morning about how he was “wiping the slate clean” with Jones, that he is posting about Jones having a good game despite being objectively awful?
5Bowls - you are seeing what you want to see.
Seeing what he wants to see makes him different from anyone else here how, exactly? Daniel Jones is a Rorschach test .
Daniel Jones is not a Rorschach test. Daniel Jones is a football intelligence test. The supermajority of fans, coaches, players, and execs from the other 31 NFL teams think he is bad. Most Giants fans think he is bad. Reading between the lines, a decent amount of people working with the Giants recognize what he is, but obviously need to publicly support the QB1, and I don't begrudge those people. It seems like the owner and a few others may be living in a fantasy land, but even that can only continue for so long.
The question to me is, why do so many people--almost all Giants fans--feel the need to prop up Jones when it is clear he's not a good NFL QB? Is it because it's a sunk cost of time spent rooting/arguing for him? The belief that in another situation, his career could have turned out differently? The resemblance to Eli in superficial characteristics? The fact that he is, indeed, a nice, hard-working fellow?
John Madden used to say the Giants have the smartest fan base, but there is now no way you can maintain that position given what's gone on with Daniel Jones.
Imagine a very realistic world where they franchise Jones for 2023. Minshew could have been had for 2024 and 2025, and the Giants would still be ahead 15M.
Horrible decisions on first two passes.
Off target interception on deep shot that required a perfect throw.
Several nice tight window throws.
A nice scramble.
General observation - Big Picture
I was worried that he might have QB-PTSD
I think he had a bit of that. The result is some good and some bad. Certainly not good enough.
Simms said he thinks DJ's internal clock needs to slow down
He thinks it will once he becomes more confident in his line and that takes some time.
The Giants will be fine if that happens. It will be a problem if it does not happen.
Net opinion/conclusion.
Most encouraged by play of OL. Let's see if DJ is able to take full advantage. The jury is still out. A good case for optimism (Thx OP) and also a good case for pessimism. I remain optimistic.
They could have just signed Minshew to the contract he got this offseason and had a real competition
Speaking of the Raiders, did you see any of that Dallas/Raiders game last night?
Trey Lance looked pretty good both throwing and running. There is some talent there as a dual threat.
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If they move on from Daniel Jones, they’re probably signing someone like Minshew next year anyway.
They could have just signed Minshew to the contract he got this offseason and had a real competition
Speaking of the Raiders, did you see any of that Dallas/Raiders game last night?
Trey Lance looked pretty good both throwing and running. There is some talent there as a dual threat.
I just don’t think Lance ever puts his talent together
They could have just signed Minshew to the contract he got this offseason and had a real competition
I wonder if trading for Aidan O’Connell might be something Schoen considers.
The reaction when you inform non-Giants fans that there is a sizable contingent of Giants fans who still believe in Daniel Jones.... It might be one of my best conversation topics for new people I meet who are football fans.
Also, did the OP actually ask Eric to start censoring topics of conversation related to Daniel Jones?
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If they move on from Daniel Jones, they’re probably signing someone like Minshew next year anyway.
They could have just signed Minshew to the contract he got this offseason and had a real competition
I wonder if trading for Aidan O’Connell might be something Schoen considers.
I think they should see if Cleveland would give up one of Jameis, DTR or Huntley
Does Jones give you any of chance of that?
They should have drafted or signed real QB competition and make Jones actually win the job. Fields, Wilson, Minshew etc.
They desperately need better QB play to win but they also need it to develop this young team.
Hypothetical: If a QB has success v backups, does this negate the success of his Oline,WR's,RB's ???
Can't take him seriously.