Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
Had a feeling our last decade or so is among the worst all time, so I hopped on chatgpt and fired off a few questions. Looking at 10 year spans, the NY Giants of 2013-2023 compiled a record of 65-114-1 (.364) is the 33rd worse 10 year record ever achieved by an NFL team. In terms of futility that puts our last decade in the top 2% of worst 10 year records ever achieved.
Make no mistake, if you look at the last decade we are one of the most pitiful franchises in American sports.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
Had a feeling our last decade or so is among the worst all time, so I hopped on chatgpt and fired off a few questions. Looking at 10 year spans, the NY Giants of 2013-2023 compiled a record of 65-114-1 (.364) is the 33rd worse 10 year record ever achieved by an NFL team. In terms of futility that puts our last decade in the top 2% of worst 10 year records ever achieved.
Make no mistake, if you look at the last decade we are one of the most pitiful franchises in American sports.
I remember being in this site in 2018 and asking how much longer we had to wait before it was ok to get pissed and be critical. 6 years later here we are still.
To posters like that dude, you can NEVER speak ill of the Giants. It's just not allowed. It is like if Papa or Banks had a handle here...'The problem isn't with the organization, but with you ungrateful & idiotic fans who have the audacity to criticize the franchise for being lost in the woods since XLVI. Just STFU & enjoy your free Medium Pepsi!'
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
Year 3 of this regime & we're not even projected to get 7 wins. & if that bears out, can people stop gushing over Schoen? His fingertips are all over this roster. I'd even argue that the two best players on this team are AT & Dex, both of whom were drafted by his idiotic predecessor.
To posters like that dude, you can NEVER speak ill of the Giants. It's just not allowed. It is like if Papa or Banks had a handle here...'The problem isn't with the organization, but with you ungrateful & idiotic fans who have the audacity to criticize the franchise for being lost in the woods since XLVI. Just STFU & enjoy your free Medium Pepsi!'
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
Agree, especially with Mara. He needs to own this mess, his fingerprints are all over it.
It's hard to see the direction this regime is steering towards...one thing I know for certain after Hard Knocks is that Schoen is not some uber-intelligent GM playing 4 dimensional chess. He comes across about as generic as possible, can't wait to see him giving his takes on ESPN one day in the future.
The national media is assuming the QB play even worse than last year:
DJ ineffective and missing a lot of games, Lock worse than Taylor as primary backup and DeVito still not ready to play. It's a pretty good bet. Personally, I'm very pessimistic about Jones playing well and staying healthy. I'm even more pessimistic about Drew Lock. I'm neutral on DeVito, who right now is a better story than QB.
They'are also assuming that the loss of Barkley is a big deal. I think it won't be but there will be no convincing people of that. Barkley will probably do very well in Philadelphia. Even if the Giants get a productive RB-by-committee, people will point to Saquon and say "See, you're IDIOTS!" And if Saquon gets hurt, nobody will say "See, you were RIGHT."
The line play should be better than last year, which will help the running and passing games.
I think the Giants should be objectively better, but that doesn't always translate to many more wins. If we have another season of the Giants moving the ball down the field but ending drives with turnovers or field goal attempts, 6-7 wins is about right. That's part of why Saturday was so dispiriting.
What was also dispiriting about the Texans game is that Jones' best moments came against backups. He looked awful vs. the starters. But I shouldn't be too judgmental I'm told as it was his first game since his ACL injury, his pregame meal was undercooked, & whatever other excuse the Papas/Banks of the world will throw out. Just remember...Daniel is never at fault.
If this roster had a proven top 15-ish QB, we are likely getting a ton more love from the media. Instead, many see us as a bottom 5 team…again. And if that comes to fruition, I don’t see how you can bring back this coach and GM. 2025 should usher in a new GM, HC, and QB.
DJ ineffective and missing a lot of games, Lock worse than Taylor as primary backup and DeVito still not ready to play. It's a pretty good bet. Personally, I'm very pessimistic about Jones playing well and staying healthy. I'm even more pessimistic about Drew Lock. I'm neutral on DeVito, who right now is a better story than QB.
They'are also assuming that the loss of Barkley is a big deal. I think it won't be but there will be no convincing people of that. Barkley will probably do very well in Philadelphia. Even if the Giants get a productive RB-by-committee, people will point to Saquon and say "See, you're IDIOTS!" And if Saquon gets hurt, nobody will say "See, you were RIGHT."
The line play should be better than last year, which will help the running and passing games.
I think the Giants should be objectively better, but that doesn't always translate to many more wins. If we have another season of the Giants moving the ball down the field but ending drives with turnovers or field goal attempts, 6-7 wins is about right. That's part of why Saturday was so dispiriting.
A huge problem is that we have 1 good cornerback, and this is, I've been told, a passing league.
To posters like that dude, you can NEVER speak ill of the Giants. It's just not allowed. It is like if Papa or Banks had a handle here...'The problem isn't with the organization, but with you ungrateful & idiotic fans who have the audacity to criticize the franchise for being lost in the woods since XLVI. Just STFU & enjoy your free Medium Pepsi!'
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
So you're saying my handle affects the number of rings the Giants will have? My attitude is holding the team back?
I have said plenty of negative things about the Giants. BUT for the first time in a long while I trust the coach and I trust the GM.
So bottom line.... bite me loser. There's your negative statement homie.
To posters like that dude, you can NEVER speak ill of the Giants. It's just not allowed. It is like if Papa or Banks had a handle here...'The problem isn't with the organization, but with you ungrateful & idiotic fans who have the audacity to criticize the franchise for being lost in the woods since XLVI. Just STFU & enjoy your free Medium Pepsi!'
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
So you're saying my handle affects the number of rings the Giants will have? My attitude is holding the team back?
I have said plenty of negative things about the Giants. BUT for the first time in a long while I trust the coach and I trust the GM.
So bottom line.... bite me loser. There's your negative statement homie.
Why? I'm convinced that Reese wanted to draft a franchise QB long before Eli retired, but ownership was opposed. Reese was gone before it became evident to all that Eli was not elite (and in my opinion, never was). Gettleman had a chance to draft Josh Allen and took "touched by the hand of God" instead. He was then forced to draft a QB and selected Jones. I have my doubts that Shurmur was being honest when he said Jones "checked all the boxes". I don't think he was that dumb. Jones was Gettleman's decision. I trust Schoen and Daboll to find the Giants franchise QB next year, most likely in the draft, less likely in a trade or by signing a free agent.
RE: Never seen a franchise stuck in the mud like this
Had a feeling our last decade or so is among the worst all time, so I hopped on chatgpt and fired off a few questions. Looking at 10 year spans, the NY Giants of 2013-2023 compiled a record of 65-114-1 (.364) is the 33rd worse 10 year record ever achieved by an NFL team. In terms of futility that puts our last decade in the top 2% of worst 10 year records ever achieved.
Make no mistake, if you look at the last decade we are one of the most pitiful franchises in American sports.
j_rud, can that be squeezed into a banner flown over MetLife?
And, hey hey, weather has been cooler, Brett surfaces. Have you recovered from early June? I was lucky, we were traveling outside US, so the (inevitable) falling short didn't strike as deeply as it might. Hope all good
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
To posters like that dude, you can NEVER speak ill of the Giants. It's just not allowed. It is like if Papa or Banks had a handle here...'The problem isn't with the organization, but with you ungrateful & idiotic fans who have the audacity to criticize the franchise for being lost in the woods since XLVI. Just STFU & enjoy your free Medium Pepsi!'
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
to get mad at predictions. Save it for the season.
Like I said, rarely do the "experts" see player (team) development coming. Prove me wrong. I said rarely not always. If I had a dollar for the number of times the experts don't see that good team coming from the ashes of bad the year prior i'd have....more money.
Most didn't see the 2005 Giants coming. Most didn't see the 2000 (or 97) Giants coming. Most didn't see the 1984 Giants coming. Most didn't even see the 1999 Rams coming. 2005 NFL predictions prior to week 1 - ( New Window )
if you don't think that's a real thing in any sport you're fooling yourself. George Young literally said those exact words. You prepare. You exhibit as much foresight and planning and proactive strategy as possible and then you pray. His words. Sometimes that collection of 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players come out and establish their place in the NFL for years to come and the team follows suit. Sometimes only a few of them do and the team hits the middle. Sometimes they all shit the bed and the team struggles.
This team is better prepared for a sustained run of decent play but things still need to develop. Shit goes wrong sometimes. We're due for shit go right. If Jones is the biggest problem they will find a new QB next off-season.
25. (power ranking) Rams (4-12) If Trent Green had not gotten hurt, they'd probably be five spots higher.
4-12.
Forget this shit. Wake me up when we're not making predictions and just watching the teams sort shit out on their own.
Oh come on. No one even knew who Kurt Warner was when they made that prediction. It was a historically unprecedented development.
JEsus do you guys just live to argue? That's EXCACTLY MY POINT! We have been fooled time and time again. No one saw Warner coming. ON a lesser scale, no one saw the 1997 Giants coming. No one even saw the Coughlin led and highly dangerous 05 Giants coming. And 1984 NYG coming. No one saw Tom Brady coming. No one saw the good run of play from the Titans under Mike Vraebel. Wasn't amazing but they were one of the better teams for 4-5-6 years. And they did it with a QB that everyone loved to hate.
Also, I never said this team was the 2nd coming of the 99 Rams but go ahead and start yet another DJ pissing contest.
-are these annual NFL prognostications generally more right than wrong? Out of the 12 or so playoff teams do you think they get most right more often than not?
Spoiler alert--they are usually wrong. Laughably so.
NYG went 9-8 last season and the Panthers went 10-6-1. Who knew.
the athletic missed on NYG in 2023 as well. While they correctly hinted at some regressions they did not see the disaster of September 23 coming.
I think it's fair to call out people that live on making predictions. You sell stocks or your brand on predictive takes or outlooks, you should own it. People rarely do that these days but the athletic at least has some credibility.
-are these annual NFL prognostications generally more right than wrong? Out of the 12 or so playoff teams do you think they get most right more often than not?
Spoiler alert--they are usually wrong. Laughably so.
NYG went 9-8 last season and the Panthers went 10-6-1. Who knew.
2023 predictions - ( New Window )
They might be wrong this time, too. But that's not a guarantee that they'll be wrong on the low side, either.
-are these annual NFL prognostications generally more right than wrong? Out of the 12 or so playoff teams do you think they get most right more often than not?
Spoiler alert--they are usually wrong. Laughably so.
NYG went 9-8 last season and the Panthers went 10-6-1. Who knew.
2023 predictions - ( New Window )
They might be wrong this time, too. But that's not a guarantee that they'll be wrong on the low side, either.
Absolutely. You don't see me betting any over under NYG totals. My ass might be dumb but I aint no dumb ass. There's a ton of uncertainty here. Only a fool would argue that. That said, these surprise teams, both good and bad, literally come along every single season. Sometimes and probably more than likely it's more than one team.
I would argue on that hill all day long that it's next to impossible to see those teams coming. We are usually fooled.
RE: RE: RE: Never seen a franchise stuck in the mud like this
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Never seen a franchise stuck in the mud like this
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
I don't know why some people struggle so much with this concept
but the league missed on the Giants because they assumed DJ would play like he has the majority of his career, below average.
BD was able to scheme around him to put together just a great start to the season and then he pretty much went right back to who he was a mostly underwhelming QB that can occasionally lay the smack down on a bad D.
The models are correct to forecast that Jones, especially coming off injury, especially because he's often injured and his backup has gotten worse.
The team didn't improve as much as some people seem to think. (Which surprise suprise many believe like a broken record here)
We got Nabers but we lost Barkley and it is a lot easier for Barkley to get touches than Nabers. Even if Nabers is better his rookie year talent wise no guarentees our slow processing, dink and dunk QB is going to make that count.
Burns plays at a more valuable position but I think some around here underrate X, he graded out very well last year. And our secondary overall could be a problem which is pretty much the best way to create a loser in the NFL. With a bad pass offense and pass defense.
I can't believe people could watch our $40M QB last weekend and think we are being underrated. We've been one of the worst teams for a decade and we are clinging to a QB who tops out at average and that was only in a particular scheme where the effectiveness seems to expire. A scheme that also was only effective off playfakes/bootlegs with a RB playing like one of the best in the leauge.
We are going to need some luck to get above 6.7 wins. People that wish to live in reality can see that
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Never seen a franchise stuck in the mud like this
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
Gatorade Dunk, that poster is an idiot.
RE: I don't know why some people struggle so much with this concept
but the league missed on the Giants because they assumed DJ would play like he has the majority of his career, below average.
BD was able to scheme around him to put together just a great start to the season and then he pretty much went right back to who he was a mostly underwhelming QB that can occasionally lay the smack down on a bad D.
The models are correct to forecast that Jones, especially coming off injury, especially because he's often injured and his backup has gotten worse.
The team didn't improve as much as some people seem to think. (Which surprise suprise many believe like a broken record here)
We got Nabers but we lost Barkley and it is a lot easier for Barkley to get touches than Nabers. Even if Nabers is better his rookie year talent wise no guarentees our slow processing, dink and dunk QB is going to make that count.
Burns plays at a more valuable position but I think some around here underrate X, he graded out very well last year. And our secondary overall could be a problem which is pretty much the best way to create a loser in the NFL. With a bad pass offense and pass defense.
I can't believe people could watch our $40M QB last weekend and think we are being underrated. We've been one of the worst teams for a decade and we are clinging to a QB who tops out at average and that was only in a particular scheme where the effectiveness seems to expire. A scheme that also was only effective off playfakes/bootlegs with a RB playing like one of the best in the leauge.
We are going to need some luck to get above 6.7 wins. People that wish to live in reality can see that
Good post. I am a bit more optimistic about the safety situation, but no question the corners appear to be more of a question mark than I had hoped.
First off, I am curious what 6.7 wins mean. Do we win 6 and lead after three quarters of a 7th?
More to the point, while I would never recommend anyone bet on anything as random as sports, if you are a smart Giants fan you bet the over. This is a .500 football team and actually has been for awhile. And in that sense basing anything off of the first half of last season is nonsense. The Giants were awful but the main reason was the offensive line was historically bad and that line is gone. In fact once they got the OL sorted out last year the Giants went 5-6 down the stretch with Tyrod Taylor, the mother of all journeymen, and frigging Danny DeVito at QB.
And yes Jones wasn't very good last year, but no QB in the league was going to look very good playing behind that woeful line. In fact, in his last 40 or so starts the Giants are right around .500. You can look it up. In his last 41 starts, or at least the games in which Jones took the majority of snaps, the Giants were 19-21-1 playing with a supporting cast that was not as good as what he'll have this year.
Now I wouldn't bet because his health is key. Lose Jones and have to go with Lock/DeVito for any extended period and 4-5 wins would be very much in play.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Never seen a franchise stuck in the mud like this
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
Gatorade Dunk, that poster is an idiot.
I know he is. And very specifically the type of idiot that calls message boards "chat rooms."
To posters like that dude, you can NEVER speak ill of the Giants. It's just not allowed. It is like if Papa or Banks had a handle here...'The problem isn't with the organization, but with you ungrateful & idiotic fans who have the audacity to criticize the franchise for being lost in the woods since XLVI. Just STFU & enjoy your free Medium Pepsi!'
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
I don’t mind his posts. I would change his handle to 8X Champs. Don’t forget it. Yes the past but we have won 8.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
Gatorade Dunk, that poster is an idiot.
I know he is. And very specifically the type of idiot that calls message boards "chat rooms."
Hmmm find where I called this a "chat room" bozo
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Never seen a franchise stuck in the mud like this
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
Gatorade Dunk, that poster is an idiot.
I know he is. And very specifically the type of idiot that calls message boards "chat rooms."
Hmmm find where I called this a "chat room" bozo
Maybe figure out how to follow a thread before calling people names, Bob.
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year after year.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
Had a feeling our last decade or so is among the worst all time, so I hopped on chatgpt and fired off a few questions. Looking at 10 year spans, the NY Giants of 2013-2023 compiled a record of 65-114-1 (.364) is the 33rd worse 10 year record ever achieved by an NFL team. In terms of futility that puts our last decade in the top 2% of worst 10 year records ever achieved.
Make no mistake, if you look at the last decade we are one of the most pitiful franchises in American sports.
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year after year.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
Had a feeling our last decade or so is among the worst all time, so I hopped on chatgpt and fired off a few questions. Looking at 10 year spans, the NY Giants of 2013-2023 compiled a record of 65-114-1 (.364) is the 33rd worse 10 year record ever achieved by an NFL team. In terms of futility that puts our last decade in the top 2% of worst 10 year records ever achieved.
Make no mistake, if you look at the last decade we are one of the most pitiful franchises in American sports.
I remember being in this site in 2018 and asking how much longer we had to wait before it was ok to get pissed and be critical. 6 years later here we are still.
I'm almost expecting it to be Dallas. Just one injury to the OL, Dak will likely get constant pressure, and they might not score many points.
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
If they get 7 wins with this roster, and their schedule, it would be a successful season.
Don't remember, but if an overachieving season ends with 9 wins and a WC berth, the standards are set too low.
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
Agree, especially with Mara. He needs to own this mess, his fingerprints are all over it.
They'are also assuming that the loss of Barkley is a big deal. I think it won't be but there will be no convincing people of that. Barkley will probably do very well in Philadelphia. Even if the Giants get a productive RB-by-committee, people will point to Saquon and say "See, you're IDIOTS!" And if Saquon gets hurt, nobody will say "See, you were RIGHT."
The line play should be better than last year, which will help the running and passing games.
I think the Giants should be objectively better, but that doesn't always translate to many more wins. If we have another season of the Giants moving the ball down the field but ending drives with turnovers or field goal attempts, 6-7 wins is about right. That's part of why Saturday was so dispiriting.
Yeah, but how about 6.6?
They'are also assuming that the loss of Barkley is a big deal. I think it won't be but there will be no convincing people of that. Barkley will probably do very well in Philadelphia. Even if the Giants get a productive RB-by-committee, people will point to Saquon and say "See, you're IDIOTS!" And if Saquon gets hurt, nobody will say "See, you were RIGHT."
The line play should be better than last year, which will help the running and passing games.
I think the Giants should be objectively better, but that doesn't always translate to many more wins. If we have another season of the Giants moving the ball down the field but ending drives with turnovers or field goal attempts, 6-7 wins is about right. That's part of why Saturday was so dispiriting.
A huge problem is that we have 1 good cornerback, and this is, I've been told, a passing league.
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
So you're saying my handle affects the number of rings the Giants will have? My attitude is holding the team back?
I have said plenty of negative things about the Giants. BUT for the first time in a long while I trust the coach and I trust the GM.
So bottom line.... bite me loser. There's your negative statement homie.
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To posters like that dude, you can NEVER speak ill of the Giants. It's just not allowed. It is like if Papa or Banks had a handle here...'The problem isn't with the organization, but with you ungrateful & idiotic fans who have the audacity to criticize the franchise for being lost in the woods since XLVI. Just STFU & enjoy your free Medium Pepsi!'
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
So you're saying my handle affects the number of rings the Giants will have? My attitude is holding the team back?
I have said plenty of negative things about the Giants. BUT for the first time in a long while I trust the coach and I trust the GM.
So bottom line.... bite me loser. There's your negative statement homie.
Devastating. I’ll try to survive.
Make no mistake, if you look at the last decade we are one of the most pitiful franchises in American sports.
j_rud, can that be squeezed into a banner flown over MetLife?
And, hey hey, weather has been cooler, Brett surfaces. Have you recovered from early June? I was lucky, we were traveling outside US, so the (inevitable) falling short didn't strike as deeply as it might. Hope all good
Sure there will - Arch isn't in next year's draft.
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year after year.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
Like I said, rarely do the "experts" see player (team) development coming. Prove me wrong. I said rarely not always. If I had a dollar for the number of times the experts don't see that good team coming from the ashes of bad the year prior i'd have....more money.
Most didn't see the 2005 Giants coming. Most didn't see the 2000 (or 97) Giants coming. Most didn't see the 1984 Giants coming. Most didn't even see the 1999 Rams coming.
2005 NFL predictions prior to week 1 - ( New Window )
This team is better prepared for a sustained run of decent play but things still need to develop. Shit goes wrong sometimes. We're due for shit go right. If Jones is the biggest problem they will find a new QB next off-season.
25. (power ranking) Rams (4-12) If Trent Green had not gotten hurt, they'd probably be five spots higher.
4-12.
Forget this shit. Wake me up when we're not making predictions and just watching the teams sort shit out on their own.
Hah! Where have I heard that before?
25. (power ranking) Rams (4-12) If Trent Green had not gotten hurt, they'd probably be five spots higher.
4-12.
Forget this shit. Wake me up when we're not making predictions and just watching the teams sort shit out on their own.
I'm sure if Tommy DeVito turns into a Hall of Fame level QB it would dramatically change the outlook for this team as well.
25. (power ranking) Rams (4-12) If Trent Green had not gotten hurt, they'd probably be five spots higher.
4-12.
Forget this shit. Wake me up when we're not making predictions and just watching the teams sort shit out on their own.
Oh come on. No one even knew who Kurt Warner was when they made that prediction. It was a historically unprecedented development.
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25. (power ranking) Rams (4-12) If Trent Green had not gotten hurt, they'd probably be five spots higher.
4-12.
Forget this shit. Wake me up when we're not making predictions and just watching the teams sort shit out on their own.
I'm sure if Tommy DeVito turns into a Hall of Fame level QB it would dramatically change the outlook for this team as well.
OK. Doesn't change the fact that rarely do people see greatness coming when the team is building from the ground floor.
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25. (power ranking) Rams (4-12) If Trent Green had not gotten hurt, they'd probably be five spots higher.
4-12.
Forget this shit. Wake me up when we're not making predictions and just watching the teams sort shit out on their own.
Oh come on. No one even knew who Kurt Warner was when they made that prediction. It was a historically unprecedented development.
JEsus do you guys just live to argue? That's EXCACTLY MY POINT! We have been fooled time and time again. No one saw Warner coming. ON a lesser scale, no one saw the 1997 Giants coming. No one even saw the Coughlin led and highly dangerous 05 Giants coming. And 1984 NYG coming. No one saw Tom Brady coming. No one saw the good run of play from the Titans under Mike Vraebel. Wasn't amazing but they were one of the better teams for 4-5-6 years. And they did it with a QB that everyone loved to hate.
Also, I never said this team was the 2nd coming of the 99 Rams but go ahead and start yet another DJ pissing contest.
Spoiler alert--they are usually wrong. Laughably so.
NYG went 9-8 last season and the Panthers went 10-6-1. Who knew.
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I think it's fair to call out people that live on making predictions. You sell stocks or your brand on predictive takes or outlooks, you should own it. People rarely do that these days but the athletic at least has some credibility.
Spoiler alert--they are usually wrong. Laughably so.
NYG went 9-8 last season and the Panthers went 10-6-1. Who knew.
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They might be wrong this time, too. But that's not a guarantee that they'll be wrong on the low side, either.
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-are these annual NFL prognostications generally more right than wrong? Out of the 12 or so playoff teams do you think they get most right more often than not?
Spoiler alert--they are usually wrong. Laughably so.
NYG went 9-8 last season and the Panthers went 10-6-1. Who knew.
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They might be wrong this time, too. But that's not a guarantee that they'll be wrong on the low side, either.
Absolutely. You don't see me betting any over under NYG totals. My ass might be dumb but I aint no dumb ass. There's a ton of uncertainty here. Only a fool would argue that. That said, these surprise teams, both good and bad, literally come along every single season. Sometimes and probably more than likely it's more than one team.
I would argue on that hill all day long that it's next to impossible to see those teams coming. We are usually fooled.
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year after year.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
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year after year.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
BD was able to scheme around him to put together just a great start to the season and then he pretty much went right back to who he was a mostly underwhelming QB that can occasionally lay the smack down on a bad D.
The models are correct to forecast that Jones, especially coming off injury, especially because he's often injured and his backup has gotten worse.
The team didn't improve as much as some people seem to think. (Which surprise suprise many believe like a broken record here)
We got Nabers but we lost Barkley and it is a lot easier for Barkley to get touches than Nabers. Even if Nabers is better his rookie year talent wise no guarentees our slow processing, dink and dunk QB is going to make that count.
Burns plays at a more valuable position but I think some around here underrate X, he graded out very well last year. And our secondary overall could be a problem which is pretty much the best way to create a loser in the NFL. With a bad pass offense and pass defense.
I can't believe people could watch our $40M QB last weekend and think we are being underrated. We've been one of the worst teams for a decade and we are clinging to a QB who tops out at average and that was only in a particular scheme where the effectiveness seems to expire. A scheme that also was only effective off playfakes/bootlegs with a RB playing like one of the best in the leauge.
We are going to need some luck to get above 6.7 wins. People that wish to live in reality can see that
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year after year.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
Gatorade Dunk, that poster is an idiot.
BD was able to scheme around him to put together just a great start to the season and then he pretty much went right back to who he was a mostly underwhelming QB that can occasionally lay the smack down on a bad D.
The models are correct to forecast that Jones, especially coming off injury, especially because he's often injured and his backup has gotten worse.
The team didn't improve as much as some people seem to think. (Which surprise suprise many believe like a broken record here)
We got Nabers but we lost Barkley and it is a lot easier for Barkley to get touches than Nabers. Even if Nabers is better his rookie year talent wise no guarentees our slow processing, dink and dunk QB is going to make that count.
Burns plays at a more valuable position but I think some around here underrate X, he graded out very well last year. And our secondary overall could be a problem which is pretty much the best way to create a loser in the NFL. With a bad pass offense and pass defense.
I can't believe people could watch our $40M QB last weekend and think we are being underrated. We've been one of the worst teams for a decade and we are clinging to a QB who tops out at average and that was only in a particular scheme where the effectiveness seems to expire. A scheme that also was only effective off playfakes/bootlegs with a RB playing like one of the best in the leauge.
We are going to need some luck to get above 6.7 wins. People that wish to live in reality can see that
Good post. I am a bit more optimistic about the safety situation, but no question the corners appear to be more of a question mark than I had hoped.
More to the point, while I would never recommend anyone bet on anything as random as sports, if you are a smart Giants fan you bet the over. This is a .500 football team and actually has been for awhile. And in that sense basing anything off of the first half of last season is nonsense. The Giants were awful but the main reason was the offensive line was historically bad and that line is gone. In fact once they got the OL sorted out last year the Giants went 5-6 down the stretch with Tyrod Taylor, the mother of all journeymen, and frigging Danny DeVito at QB.
And yes Jones wasn't very good last year, but no QB in the league was going to look very good playing behind that woeful line. In fact, in his last 40 or so starts the Giants are right around .500. You can look it up. In his last 41 starts, or at least the games in which Jones took the majority of snaps, the Giants were 19-21-1 playing with a supporting cast that was not as good as what he'll have this year.
Now I wouldn't bet because his health is key. Lose Jones and have to go with Lock/DeVito for any extended period and 4-5 wins would be very much in play.
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year after year.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
Gatorade Dunk, that poster is an idiot.
I know he is. And very specifically the type of idiot that calls message boards "chat rooms."
I don't mind people being optimistic. That's great. That's your right. But the 'You shall not speak ill of the Giants' posters piss me off. And with a mentality like that, his handle won't be changing to 5XChamps anytime soon.
I don’t mind his posts. I would change his handle to 8X Champs. Don’t forget it. Yes the past but we have won 8.
DEN odds weren't great (-125) but the Giants odds were (+115).
What other win totals do people like?
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year after year.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
Gatorade Dunk, that poster is an idiot.
I know he is. And very specifically the type of idiot that calls message boards "chat rooms."
Hmmm find where I called this a "chat room" bozo
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year after year.
Are you joking? The Redskins have gone 33 years without making it to the NFC championship game. How about the Jets? Cleveland? How 'bout them cowboys....
What NFC team has fewer wins than the Giants over the past decade?
I love how the words "in the last decade" were added AFTER my comments. Yes the last decade has been terrible. Way to change the narrative AFTER you look like an idiot.
What are you even talking about? In the past decade is added after your comments because it was MY reply to your post. And it was my first reply to you, so I wasn't changing a prior narrative.
You seem to have a tough time figuring out these chat rooms.
Gatorade Dunk, that poster is an idiot.
I know he is. And very specifically the type of idiot that calls message boards "chat rooms."
Hmmm find where I called this a "chat room" bozo
Maybe figure out how to follow a thread before calling people names, Bob.