Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Oh wait... we can't assess the WRs if the QB sucks, but if the o-line and receivers suck, we CAN assess DJ?
It is hard to evaluate Hyatt without context.
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Yep, just like "it's hard to evaluate" DJ with a shit o-line and receivers last year...
It is easy for talented young defense backs to look good playing
Man-to-man in Wink’s defense. Asking them to play the next season in Bowen’s zone is much more difficult. Unfortunately, it is going to take at least 4 games to figure it out, in my opinion. Everyone is hoping for a fast Giants start because the middle of the schedule is tough, but defense is going to take some time to jell. Remember Spags defense in 2007.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
He got paid the $$$$$$ while another qb who most of the players in the league knew was much better, and is much more popular with those players, did not. Ever since then players have been dumping on Jones at every opportunity.
Barkley was offered a handsome contract and turned it down. This is old news. And players, many of them, are also dumb (see NFL top 100).
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Eli also won 2 Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP both times. MVP stands for ‘Most Valuable Player’, in case you didn’t know that.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
Remember he was drafted to play press corner in Wink's system. He's having to make a transition with the new defense. It might not be as good of a fit, or it will just take some time.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Eli also won 2 Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP both times. MVP stands for ‘Most Valuable Player’, in case you didn’t know that.
These players voted on this in 2017, after both Super Bowls and SB MVP's.
changes my mind or worries me any more than I already was. The 2nd CB is up in the air. The ILB's are thin due to injury and we will need somebody there is McFadden is unable to play week 1.
I think our Oline is going to be top 15, top 10 in the league this year if they stay healthy.
If Johnson and Nabers get open as they did today they are going to make some big plays..
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
Remember he was drafted to play press corner in Wink's system. He's having to make a transition with the new defense. It might not be as good of a fit, or it will just take some time.
I'm cool with that. We need all, or most, of these young guys to step up if we want to see this team get good.
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great info, this post could warrant starting a new thread just to highlight this POV.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great info, this post could warrant starting a new thread just to highlight this POV.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
2 SB wins and 2 SB MVP awards was the ultimate STFU back to those players.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
After two preseason games where the OL looks competent it should be fairly obvious how much the OL coach matters.
In spite of Brandon Brown's press conference, the Giants freeing up cap space seems very likely to be able to pounce on a vet CB cut prior to making another team's 53 man roster.
Less likely it's a trade, given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
I think there will be a point in the season where the players revolt against Jones and they are forced to bench him.
I absolutely guarantee a Makik Nabers sideline outburst by the Cowboys game, over the lack of targets or under thrown balls that would make Odell blush.
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Yeah that was the first 4 seasons, that pretty much stopped after 2007. And there was that brief hubbub over “elite” at the start of 2011 and that was completely silenced by years end
given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
My memory may not be that reliable, but I remember Schoen trading up in the draft, down in the draft, picks for players… no trend suggests to me that he is interested in accumulating picks. Curious what you have seen to prompt that thought?
It is hard to evaluate Hyatt without context.
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Really interesting post. Almost seems like they wanted to see how DBs respond to situations where the pass rush wasn't getting home.
RE: RE: the second CB spot is a problem. The Giants know it too.
In spite of Brandon Brown's press conference, the Giants freeing up cap space seems very likely to be able to pounce on a vet CB cut prior to making another team's 53 man roster.
Less likely it's a trade, given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
Boogie ashamed and Isaiah Simmons would go against that theory.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
After two preseason games where the OL looks competent it should be fairly obvious how much the OL coach matters.
There's also a bunch of new guys playing. The proof will be in Schmitz and Neal.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
The Neal stuff of late has been super encouraging. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I can't help it. If he can turn it around...(knocking feverishly on wood)
I think there will be a point in the season where the players revolt against Jones and they are forced to bench him.
I absolutely guarantee a Makik Nabers sideline outburst by the Cowboys game, over the lack of targets or under thrown balls that would make Odell blush.
I just hope he stops with the drops before he jumps on DJ, it'll have more credibility
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Oh wait... we can't assess the WRs if the QB sucks, but if the o-line and receivers suck, we CAN assess DJ?
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
A balance issue is correctable. Means he is bending his waste vs squatting his ass down.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
A balance issue is correctable. Means he is bending his waste vs squatting his ass down.
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Oh wait... we can't assess the WRs if the QB sucks, but if the o-line and receivers suck, we CAN assess DJ?
But Evan Neal looked real good.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Yep, just like "it's hard to evaluate" DJ with a shit o-line and receivers last year...
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
He got paid the $$$$$$ while another qb who most of the players in the league knew was much better, and is much more popular with those players, did not. Ever since then players have been dumping on Jones at every opportunity.
Barkley was offered a handsome contract and turned it down. This is old news. And players, many of them, are also dumb (see NFL top 100).
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Eli also won 2 Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP both times. MVP stands for ‘Most Valuable Player’, in case you didn’t know that.
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I wouldn’t get worked up over Banks yet.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
Remember he was drafted to play press corner in Wink's system. He's having to make a transition with the new defense. It might not be as good of a fit, or it will just take some time.
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Eli also won 2 Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP both times. MVP stands for ‘Most Valuable Player’, in case you didn’t know that.
These players voted on this in 2017, after both Super Bowls and SB MVP's.
Jones hasn’t proven shit
A rookie corner was calling him out last year, I mean wow
But Evan Neal looked real good.
Been reading this entire thread waiting for something on Neal.
Right. And the current bunch voted Lamar is above Mahomes.
Jaquan Brisker
Pat Peterson
Multiple 49er players
Devon Witherspoon
Sauce Gardner
Tom Brady
You can’t fool the players.
I think our Oline is going to be top 15, top 10 in the league this year if they stay healthy.
If Johnson and Nabers get open as they did today they are going to make some big plays..
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I wouldn’t get worked up over Banks yet.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
Remember he was drafted to play press corner in Wink's system. He's having to make a transition with the new defense. It might not be as good of a fit, or it will just take some time.
I'm cool with that. We need all, or most, of these young guys to step up if we want to see this team get good.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Good stuff - thanks.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great info, this post could warrant starting a new thread just to highlight this POV.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
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I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great info, this post could warrant starting a new thread just to highlight this POV.
Thanks knowledge
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“He’s nice,” #Jets CB Sauce Gardner says of #Giants WR Malik Nabers.
Says he reminds him of Justin Jefferson, Ja’Marr Chase.
Sauce on Nabers - ( New Window )
Sauce wasn't smirking when discussing Nabers.
His comments were not waxing poetic about Neal's play. Neal was going against the Jets' second team.
He was more disappointed that the Jets could not do more.
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
2 SB wins and 2 SB MVP awards was the ultimate STFU back to those players.
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
After two preseason games where the OL looks competent it should be fairly obvious how much the OL coach matters.
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
Here's the video clip Sauce on DJ - ( New Window )
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
Here's the video clip Sauce on DJ - ( New Window )
It's even worse than described.
QB hell man, like Eric says: QB HELL....
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
Here's the video clip Sauce on DJ - ( New Window )
It's even worse than described.
QB hell man, like Eric says: QB HELL....
Everyone in the league knows expect our owner
Less likely it's a trade, given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
I absolutely guarantee a Makik Nabers sideline outburst by the Cowboys game, over the lack of targets or under thrown balls that would make Odell blush.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great post. Thanks.
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Yeah that was the first 4 seasons, that pretty much stopped after 2007. And there was that brief hubbub over “elite” at the start of 2011 and that was completely silenced by years end
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Brian Burns had a nice practice. Had him down for 2 TFL’s, one sack and one possible.
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The #Giants must find a corner to start opposite Deonte Banks or all those pass-rushing additions won’t mean a thing
https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1826362617469812996 - ( New Window )
given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
My memory may not be that reliable, but I remember Schoen trading up in the draft, down in the draft, picks for players… no trend suggests to me that he is interested in accumulating picks. Curious what you have seen to prompt that thought?
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Really interesting post. Almost seems like they wanted to see how DBs respond to situations where the pass rush wasn't getting home.
Less likely it's a trade, given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
Boogie ashamed and Isaiah Simmons would go against that theory.
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
After two preseason games where the OL looks competent it should be fairly obvious how much the OL coach matters.
There's also a bunch of new guys playing. The proof will be in Schmitz and Neal.
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
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I think there will be a point in the season where the players revolt against Jones and they are forced to bench him.
I absolutely guarantee a Makik Nabers sideline outburst by the Cowboys game, over the lack of targets or under thrown balls that would make Odell blush.
I just hope he stops with the drops before he jumps on DJ, it'll have more credibility
What harsh words?
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Oh wait... we can't assess the WRs if the QB sucks, but if the o-line and receivers suck, we CAN assess DJ?
Great point!!
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
A balance issue is correctable. Means he is bending his waste vs squatting his ass down.
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In comment 16583222 Eric from BBI said:
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
A balance issue is correctable. Means he is bending his waste vs squatting his ass down.
That would be wonderful