Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
You are at practice witnessing these things? Another tired excuse that our skill players are not getting WIDE OPEN for Daniel Jones.
RE: I said last week after the Texans game the secondary is a majorconcern
The Jets complete several passes downfield in a PRACTICE session, and the masses here PANIC!!!
(sigh), like clockwork!
They looked shaky Saturday, they don't have a #2 CB and Banks has shown while he is in position to make plays just doesn't. Theres a reason they made cap space this week.
I don't see anything wrong with BBI showing concern over the secondary. They are apparently playing today like many of us had feared. And this against a 'good to very good' passing offense although not elite/top of league. Hoping we find a good use for some of that cap room and that it's for a legit CB.
Which is exactly why you would like to see something. Right now you have to assume Slayton is ahead of him, but you'd like to see that change.
I just think we need to limit our expectations on him for this season. We all want him to be the receiver he was at Tennessee, but he still has a ton of work to do at this level.
I am blown away at the obtuseness of these comments. How can you evaluate a deep threat if the ball cannot travel the projectory to exploit say threat. And you are mad at Hyatt?
Well Hyatt didn’t do much with Taylor and DeVito last year either. If you’ve been following Hyatt closely you would know that he has issues getting a good release against starting NFL corners. He’s also not the greatest route runner either. He’s a work in progress.
"judging on today's reports", the Giants need to get this, get that. How does anyone here, have ANY idea what they were trying to get accomplished today? Its practice. Play calls and design on offense are often to evaluate certain things.
On defense, they may have had the DBs play in a certain fashion to evaluate them.
The Jets could easily torch them on both sides of the ball if that was THEIR objective and it seems like it was- as it is EVERY year.
I really wouldn't get to worked up over things.
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
You are at practice witnessing these things? Another tired excuse that our skill players are not getting WIDE OPEN for Daniel Jones.
Hyatts Game is getting separation by his speed. He is not a physical receiver, who will go up and catch the ball. If that was the case you he would’ve made A better effort on Saturday to catch the under thrown ball.
Last season it was a vertical route or nothing from him. A guy with his speed should be killing the underneath. Isn’t college where you just run as fast as you can straight line and the quarterback throws it to you.
RE: Everyone knows they are weak at the #2 CB spot
Look at who they were targeting in the second round in Hard Knocks.
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
Which we supposedly knew a month ago, and I dont know why we continue to react to it like a UFO landed in the middle of metlife.
Some of us have been commenting since the draft that we have 1 starting level CB on this roster and people couldnt see past the offensive line struggle to notice anything else.
Until it's not. Getting torched by Rogers in a non-contact practice isn't unexpected, and while it isn't necessarily a bad sign, it's certainly not a good one.
Saleh comments earlier this week seem like he may let Rogers play a bit. That will be more telling. I doubt it ends up pretty; we'll see.
Look at who they were targeting in the second round in Hard Knocks.
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
Which we supposedly knew a month ago, and I dont know why we continue to react to it like a UFO landed in the middle of metlife.
Some of us have been commenting since the draft that we have 1 starting level CB on this roster and people couldnt see past the offensive line struggle to notice anything else.
Well, the Daniel Jones stuff tends to crowd out a lot of other discussions.
dropping passes has become a recurrent thing with Theo Johnson. At least they're not getting turned into picks like with Engram. And to be honest, Nabers is not catching some balls that he should.
Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
He didn’t look good when he was in the game the other day either. He’s an OK player right now. 2nd years are when guys typically take a big jump. Hopefully this applies to Banks.
Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
He didn’t look good when he was in the game the other day either. He’s an OK player right now. 2nd years are when guys typically take a big jump. Hopefully this applies to Banks.
So his good rookie year doesn’t count?
And we are using a preseason game and 1 practice as a barometer ?
LB Micah McFadden, LB Matthew Adams, LB Dyontae Johnson, CB Cor’Dale Flott, CB David Long, S Gervarrius Owens and S Jonathan Sutherland back at their facility to rehab.
3 LB's who were playing a lot of snaps, 2 CB's being counted on to compete for the 2nd CB spot, one S expected to compete for a backup role.. That means others are playing and or playing more and we are playing a new defense by the way.. The Jets should look better in these circumstances offensively and if they didn't I would be very worried if I were a Jets fan..
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
You are at practice witnessing these things?
OK, I'll play - were YOU at practice to witness that Jones wasn't targeting Hyatt because he has "his head up his ass"? Maybe Jones wasn't targeting Hyatt because...wait for it....his number wasn't being called??
It is hard to evaluate Hyatt without context.
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
I had Aaron Rodgers completing 16 of 22 passes with three touchdowns — to Garrett Wilson, Allen Lazard and Breece Hall.
(Could argue four touchdowns if you include the other one where Wilson made McCloud look silly, though hard to say if someone else would’ve caught him.)
Garrett Wilson had six catches on eight targets today counting 7 on 7.
general for a team that hasn't won anything in forever.
Giants have been bad for a while, VERY bad really. But, over the last 10 years:
Gmen- 60-102-1
Jets- 55-108
when one team has had a pretty horrible run in their history and they still have 5 more wins over the same time frame, then you might want to check the egos and the comments at the door and actually win first.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
wow.. Jones has to be one of the LEAST respected players in the NFL.. Of course the Jets had Zach Wilson at one point too so there is that.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
That's the most important takeaway especially since they have a bunch of players who are already dinged up.
Banks is not taking a step forward imv snd we don’t have a starting CB2
It’s a problem my friends!!!!
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
You are at practice witnessing these things? Another tired excuse that our skill players are not getting WIDE OPEN for Daniel Jones.
Banks is not taking a step forward imv snd we don’t have a starting CB2
It’s a problem my friends!!!!
I don't think you've been listening to my podcasts.
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Hopefully he’s not another Schoen miss and is really a CB2 instead of a CB1..
Yep. Based on these reports, this is one of the more discouraging performances on the day.
Let's not go crazy, this is an open drill against an ALL PRO WR and a Hall of Fame QB.
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The Jets complete several passes downfield in a PRACTICE session, and the masses here PANIC!!!
(sigh), like clockwork!
They looked shaky Saturday, they don't have a #2 CB and Banks has shown while he is in position to make plays just doesn't. Theres a reason they made cap space this week.
I don't see anything wrong with BBI showing concern over the secondary. They are apparently playing today like many of us had feared. And this against a 'good to very good' passing offense although not elite/top of league. Hoping we find a good use for some of that cap room and that it's for a legit CB.
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Which is exactly why you would like to see something. Right now you have to assume Slayton is ahead of him, but you'd like to see that change.
I just think we need to limit our expectations on him for this season. We all want him to be the receiver he was at Tennessee, but he still has a ton of work to do at this level.
I am blown away at the obtuseness of these comments. How can you evaluate a deep threat if the ball cannot travel the projectory to exploit say threat. And you are mad at Hyatt?
Well Hyatt didn’t do much with Taylor and DeVito last year either. If you’ve been following Hyatt closely you would know that he has issues getting a good release against starting NFL corners. He’s also not the greatest route runner either. He’s a work in progress.
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Hopefully he’s not another Schoen miss and is really a CB2 instead of a CB1..
Yep. Based on these reports, this is one of the more discouraging performances on the day.
Let's not go crazy, this is an open drill against an ALL PRO WR and a Hall of Fame QB.
Dallas and Philly have good QB’s and WR’s too…
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Hopefully he’s not another Schoen miss and is really a CB2 instead of a CB1..
Yep. Based on these reports, this is one of the more discouraging performances on the day.
Theres enough concerns with this team that we dont have to go looking for more. Banks getting worked by a hall of famer is a learning experience.
On defense, they may have had the DBs play in a certain fashion to evaluate them.
The Jets could easily torch them on both sides of the ball if that was THEIR objective and it seems like it was- as it is EVERY year.
I really wouldn't get to worked up over things.
I'd group him with Hyatt right now- a guy who could turn out real good but isn't there yet. Not a solid CB1 at this point, imo
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
You are at practice witnessing these things? Another tired excuse that our skill players are not getting WIDE OPEN for Daniel Jones.
Hyatts Game is getting separation by his speed. He is not a physical receiver, who will go up and catch the ball. If that was the case you he would’ve made A better effort on Saturday to catch the under thrown ball.
Last season it was a vertical route or nothing from him. A guy with his speed should be killing the underneath. Isn’t college where you just run as fast as you can straight line and the quarterback throws it to you.
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
Which we supposedly knew a month ago, and I dont know why we continue to react to it like a UFO landed in the middle of metlife.
Some of us have been commenting since the draft that we have 1 starting level CB on this roster and people couldnt see past the offensive line struggle to notice anything else.
Saleh comments earlier this week seem like he may let Rogers play a bit. That will be more telling. I doubt it ends up pretty; we'll see.
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Look at who they were targeting in the second round in Hard Knocks.
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
Which we supposedly knew a month ago, and I dont know why we continue to react to it like a UFO landed in the middle of metlife.
Some of us have been commenting since the draft that we have 1 starting level CB on this roster and people couldnt see past the offensive line struggle to notice anything else.
Well, the Daniel Jones stuff tends to crowd out a lot of other discussions.
Let's just hope the pass rush is effective.
Judging Banks on one practice?
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Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
Agreed, that is a really stupid take.
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Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
I'm saying he had a bad day, which he did. Sensitive much? The secondary sucks. McCloud had a bad one, too.
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Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
He didn’t look good when he was in the game the other day either. He’s an OK player right now. 2nd years are when guys typically take a big jump. Hopefully this applies to Banks.
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Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
He didn’t look good when he was in the game the other day either. He’s an OK player right now. 2nd years are when guys typically take a big jump. Hopefully this applies to Banks.
So his good rookie year doesn’t count?
And we are using a preseason game and 1 practice as a barometer ?
Learning a new system doesn’t happen overnight
Total overreaction
LB Micah McFadden, LB Matthew Adams, LB Dyontae Johnson, CB Cor’Dale Flott, CB David Long, S Gervarrius Owens and S Jonathan Sutherland back at their facility to rehab.
3 LB's who were playing a lot of snaps, 2 CB's being counted on to compete for the 2nd CB spot, one S expected to compete for a backup role.. That means others are playing and or playing more and we are playing a new defense by the way.. The Jets should look better in these circumstances offensively and if they didn't I would be very worried if I were a Jets fan..
Sounds like they need it.
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
You are at practice witnessing these things?
OK, I'll play - were YOU at practice to witness that Jones wasn't targeting Hyatt because he has "his head up his ass"? Maybe Jones wasn't targeting Hyatt because...wait for it....his number wasn't being called??
Just a thought...
@Schmeelk
Here's what I saw from the sideline against joint practices vs. the Jets.
https://x.com/Schmeelk/status/1826344710149210493 - ( New Window )
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
@Connor_J_Hughes
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“They look crazy!” - #Jets CB Sauce Gardner after watching his offense vs the #Giants defense.
Jokes they’re going to be in the facility with big heads later.
Aaron Rodgers threw four TDs against #NYG, several of the big-play variety
@Connor_J_Hughes
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“He’s nice,” #Jets CB Sauce Gardner says of #Giants WR Malik Nabers.
Says he reminds him of Justin Jefferson, Ja’Marr Chase.
@ZackBlatt
I had Aaron Rodgers completing 16 of 22 passes with three touchdowns — to Garrett Wilson, Allen Lazard and Breece Hall.
(Could argue four touchdowns if you include the other one where Wilson made McCloud look silly, though hard to say if someone else would’ve caught him.)
Garrett Wilson had six catches on eight targets today counting 7 on 7.
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
He knows….
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
Can’t fool the players
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching
https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
When else has Banks looked bad?
Are you at camp seeing his reps on a day to day basis?
Giants have been bad for a while, VERY bad really. But, over the last 10 years:
Gmen- 60-102-1
Jets- 55-108
when one team has had a pretty horrible run in their history and they still have 5 more wins over the same time frame, then you might want to check the egos and the comments at the door and actually win first.
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
wow.. Jones has to be one of the LEAST respected players in the NFL.. Of course the Jets had Zach Wilson at one point too so there is that.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs