I probably knew this at one point -- the Giants spent 1 week in Gettleman's entire tenure with a .500 record and zero weeks with a winning record? Week of September 30th 2019, the Giants were 2-2. Is this true?
I know that’s true. 18 started off 0 and 100. 2020 started off 0 and 100. 21 was even worse. There was the brief flirtation with fun times when nyg got to 5-7 in 2020 but then they lost 1-3 down the stretch.
That would be shocking in illustrating how much Gettleman sucked. He is easily in the top 3 worst front office employees in Giants history. I don’t even think that is debatable.
You will never convince me that Dave Gettleman was not a close Eagles fan who spent his whole career trying to end up where he did to destroy the Giants. I am sure he is sitting at home right now in a Brian Dawkins jersey laughing his ass off that Barkley is an Eagle.
That would be shocking in illustrating how much Gettleman sucked. He is easily in the top 3 worst front office employees in Giants history. I don’t even think that is debatable.
You will never convince me that Dave Gettleman was not a close Eagles fan who spent his whole career trying to end up where he did to destroy the Giants. I am sure he is sitting at home right now in a Brian Dawkins jersey laughing his ass off that Barkley is an Eagle.
What I find interesting about the Gettleman disaster is how Accorsi seems to have escaped criticism.
He was THE guy Mara hired to find the next GM after Reese, and then spent all of ten minutes identifying and recommending Gettleman. A recommendation, btw, largely based on the fact he felt guilty about supporting Reese over Gettleman as his successor after he retired in 2006.
It's easy to blame Mara, but Accorsi has always had Mara's confidence because he was fully vested in the "Giants Way". He trusted him like Don Corleone trusted Tom Hagen.
That would be shocking in illustrating how much Gettleman sucked. He is easily in the top 3 worst front office employees in Giants history. I don’t even think that is debatable.
You will never convince me that Dave Gettleman was not a close Eagles fan who spent his whole career trying to end up where he did to destroy the Giants. I am sure he is sitting at home right now in a Brian Dawkins jersey laughing his ass off that Barkley is an Eagle.
What I find interesting about the Gettleman disaster is how Accorsi seems to have escaped criticism.
He was THE guy Mara hired to find the next GM after Reese, and then spent all of ten minutes identifying and recommending Gettleman. A recommendation, btw, largely based on the fact he felt guilty about supporting Reese over Gettleman as his successor after he retired in 2006.
It's easy to blame Mara, but Accorsi has always had Mara's confidence because he was fully vested in the "Giants Way". He trusted him like Don Corleone trusted Tom Hagen.
John Mara asked Accorsi to conduct a GM search that would identify the best ex-Giants employee named Dave Gettleman to fill the role. That was not a search, it was a corronation.
And the guy wasn’t just bad at his job…he was an arrogant asshole. It is embarrassing that the Giants have to admit they gave him money and put him in front of TV cameras.
That would be shocking in illustrating how much Gettleman sucked. He is easily in the top 3 worst front office employees in Giants history. I don’t even think that is debatable.
You will never convince me that Dave Gettleman was not a close Eagles fan who spent his whole career trying to end up where he did to destroy the Giants. I am sure he is sitting at home right now in a Brian Dawkins jersey laughing his ass off that Barkley is an Eagle.
What I find interesting about the Gettleman disaster is how Accorsi seems to have escaped criticism.
He was THE guy Mara hired to find the next GM after Reese, and then spent all of ten minutes identifying and recommending Gettleman. A recommendation, btw, largely based on the fact he felt guilty about supporting Reese over Gettleman as his successor after he retired in 2006.
It's easy to blame Mara, but Accorsi has always had Mara's confidence because he was fully vested in the "Giants Way". He trusted him like Don Corleone trusted Tom Hagen.
John Mara asked Accorsi to conduct a GM search that would identify the best ex-Giants employee named Dave Gettleman to fill the role. That was not a search, it was a corronation.
And the guy wasn’t just bad at his job…he was an arrogant asshole. It is embarrassing that the Giants have to admit they gave him money and put him in front of TV cameras.
This 1000%. Businesses do this all the time: hire a consultant to come to a conclusion that management already decided. And then management can act like they weren’t biased, there wasn’t cronyism, etc.
We were in trouble with his first free signing a washed up Jonathan Steward The whole league knew he was done xcept dg Then throwing millions at Solder Golliday & Patrick O & Mara just goes along smiling & signing checks & let’s not forget gift wrapping Parsons to Dallas. Dg worst GM ever & Mara does he ever do his own research on players it seems like he doesn’t Add up the dg screwups easily over 100 million wasted .
That is so bad. These are the starts to the season under Gettleman:
2018: 0-2 which became 1-7
2019: 0-2 which became 2-2 then became 2-11
2020: 0-5
2021: 0-3 which became 1-5
You'd think after 2021 Schoen would move off of Jones. But what happened? Mara is telling reporters they've done everything to screw Jones up before Schoen can even sit at his desk.
Still, Schoen declines the 5th year option. Then they have a little bit of success, win a playoff game and all of John Mara, Chris Mara & Steve Tisch are acting as if they've won the Super Bowl. Jones is declared their "franchise QB".
What a fucking mess. This is a very difficult franchise to be GM. And Gettleman dealt with it too I'm sure.
All to say, Gettleman was that bad but we continued the path beyond his tenure here.
you see people that love to place heaps of blame on DG or Reese. But the Giants have struggled with the same core problems, self scouting, overrating their own players as well as overrating the teams performance which makes them unwilling to rebuild in the optimal ways other teams do.
The only difference is BD was a good enough coach to create a scheme that worked on a temporary basis and/or against bad defenses. But the Giants overall talent level came back to the surface. Sad thing is I think we may have the talent to be a real team this year at all but the most important position so we probably won’t get a real read on that.
Ruined this franchise. Set them back YEARS. We are still suffering from his awful decisions.
And on top of that the guy was an asshole. Can’t believe Mara had him ride off into the sunset with honoring him the last home game he was here.
This team was dog doo doo well before he arrived. Years before. He walked in a year after the previous regime passed on an All Pro LT because they wanted to pander to Ereck Flowers' feelings.
may have felt he picked the wrong guy to replace Him. Let's face it, Reese is grossly over rated and then he hired and promoted twice one of the worst employees in Marc Ross.
Dave did a pretty solid job in Carolina. Team did get to the SB and he added a bunch of good players that included several PB/AP players.
He also added the first AP OL with the Giants going all the way back to Snee in 2004.
Like Dave, Reese inherited most of the team. Even the QB/HC. JR had Eli/TC. Dave Cam/Rivera.
After his first two years as GM here, I don't think he had a lot of say as Mara was clearly going with Judge.
…instead of being escorted out of the building holding a box of his belongings, he was allowed a nice little farewell
Unlike Jerry Reese, who agreed to a QB plan with Mara, executed it and was fired for it when some fans were upset. Spare me the stuff about John Mara being a “good guy.” He’s a moron, a nepo baby and a cowardly twerp.
…instead of being escorted out of the building holding a box of his belongings, he was allowed a nice little farewell
Unlike Jerry Reese, who agreed to a QB plan with Mara, executed it and was fired for it when some fans were upset. Spare me the stuff about John Mara being a “good guy.” He’s a moron, a nepo baby and a cowardly twerp.
Mara was deeply fixated with being the good guy and there being a warm and fuzzy transition out for his favorites. And that desire for things to go smoothly backfired every time.
The Coughlin retiring charade, the working in the back up quarterbacks, giving Gettleman a swing after he picked Reese first. All of it was so contrived and predictable.
…instead of being escorted out of the building holding a box of his belongings, he was allowed a nice little farewell
Unlike Jerry Reese, who agreed to a QB plan with Mara, executed it and was fired for it when some fans were upset. Spare me the stuff about John Mara being a “good guy.” He’s a moron, a nepo baby and a cowardly twerp.
Mara was deeply fixated with being the good guy and there being a warm and fuzzy transition out for his favorites. And that desire for things to go smoothly backfired every time.
The Coughlin retiring charade, the working in the back up quarterbacks, giving Gettleman a swing after he picked Reese first. All of it was so contrived and predictable.
I think this is very accurate. And one of the hallmarks of John Mara causing this franchise to go down the toilet. You can draw a straight line to Mara falling back on what he 'knew' with Gettleman and also the Giants selecting Daniel Jones because they 'knew' David Cutcliffe because of Eli. John Mara goes to what feels comfortable and familiar. Its part of the reason the Jones pick makes me so mad. I'm convinced that if Cutcliffe wasn't connected to Jones, he wouldnt have been the pick.
I think this is very accurate. And one of the hallmarks of John Mara causing this franchise to go down the toilet. You can draw a straight line to Mara falling back on what he 'knew' with Gettleman and also the Giants selecting Daniel Jones because they 'knew' David Cutcliffe because of Eli. John Mara goes to what feels comfortable and familiar. Its part of the reason the Jones pick makes me so mad. I'm convinced that if Cutcliffe wasn't connected to Jones, he wouldnt have been the pick.
I've heard directly and indirectly from people who know John Mara that's he's both an incredibly sincere and caring person, but also cares very deeply what people think of him.
I think his father instilled a deep concern for the players and staff, that doesn't help when it's time to make tough decisions.
I think this is very accurate. And one of the hallmarks of John Mara causing this franchise to go down the toilet. You can draw a straight line to Mara falling back on what he 'knew' with Gettleman and also the Giants selecting Daniel Jones because they 'knew' David Cutcliffe because of Eli. John Mara goes to what feels comfortable and familiar. Its part of the reason the Jones pick makes me so mad. I'm convinced that if Cutcliffe wasn't connected to Jones, he wouldnt have been the pick.
I've heard directly and indirectly from people who know John Mara that's he's both an incredibly sincere and caring person, but also cares very deeply what people think of him.
I think his father instilled a deep concern for the players and staff, that doesn't help when it's time to make tough decisions.
If he cares so much about people, you’d think that would extend to Reese, who was intimately involved in securing the team their last two rings. So he’s inconsistent. Daniel Jones is in; Reese is out.
Mara can’t retire soon enough. I hope Kate Mara is the next CEO of the team. At least it would make the annual Press conferences more watchable..
2019 was Gettleman’s high water mark. Jones’ first season, Eli’s last
If he cares so much about people, you’d think that would extend to Reese, who was intimately involved in securing the team their last two rings. So he’s inconsistent. Daniel Jones is in; Reese is out.
Mara can’t retire soon enough. I hope Kate Mara is the next CEO of the team. At least it would make the annual Press conferences more watchable.
My guess is Jerry Reese is not a terribly likable person. And I also suspect after the Manning crying incident, Reese is probably the only person who told Mara "you're the one who fucking wanted this."
Mara clearly picked Manning over Reese in that moment.
Did you get any joy from the 2011 Giants? That was such a fun season for me being a fan of the team. Watching Eli throw to Nicks, Cruz & Manningham. The most explosive Giants offense I've ever seen. Contributions from Bradshaw and Jacobs. JPP wrecking havoc on defense.
The way you talk about Reese, I get the sense you didn't enjoy that season and run all that much.
RE: 2019 was Gettleman’s high water mark. Jones’ first season, Eli’s last
If Shurmur had remained but as offensive coordinator, even if Judge had become Head Coach, Jones would have had a better career.
I think if Shurmur had stayed on as head coach, Jones would have had bigger numbers, but ultimately resembled a player like Jameis Winston. Big numbers but too many turnovers to justify investment.
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Damn what a horrible offseason. Nate Solder did Patrick Omameh a huge favor. I had forgotten how bad that signing was
Gettleman also let some solid players walk. Okwara, Kennard, Pugh, and Richburg all had some good football left in them to various degrees. And the crowing achievement was trading JPP for the pick that became BJ Hill. And then trading BJ Hill for Billy Price.
but I also think the Giants missed a great opportunity in future years with the TC/Eli combo.
Reese inherited the entire OL. He never added an OL in the draft from rounds 1-3 from 2007-2012.
I think any smart GM who understood Eli's skillset would have made a huge priority keeping the OL to a high standard. Philly/Dallas each had three AP/PB OL in 2017. The last PB OL Eli had was Snee in 2012.
RE: He made up for it by being an enormous asshole
+1,000,000. And not just in connection with football.
It still amazes me that anyone lumps Jerry Reese together with Gettleman. Reese made some decisions that were hard to defend contemporaneously, and many that were defensible at the time but turned out poorly. In a bottom-line business, he won two Super Bowls in eleven years as GM, with a roster he helped Ernie Accorsi build through the draft. That's a decent record no matter how badly his last five years sucked. Although Reese could be prickly and defensive, he was mostly respectful toward the press and the fans, and appreciative of all the organization had given him. Even the decision that got him fired doesn't look so bad now that Geno Smith is a solid NFL starter and Eli Manning has been out of the League for five years.
As for Gettleman, well... he drafted Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence and, um... Darius Slayton? And if we go back to 2005, he played some role in several good UFA signings.
BBB, I think in retrospect it's quite obvious the Giants had a number of very good football people at the right jobs during the championship years.
Reese made a number of prescient and gutsy moves that worked out. Gettleman led a pro personnel team that hit on virtually every UFA. And Coughlin and the staff developed a number of mid-to-late round talents.
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Damn what a horrible offseason. Nate Solder did Patrick Omameh a huge favor. I had forgotten how bad that signing was
Gettleman also let some solid players walk. Okwara, Kennard, Pugh, and Richburg all had some good football left in them to various degrees. And the crowing achievement was trading JPP for the pick that became BJ Hill. And then trading BJ Hill for Billy Price.
I also forgot about the BJ Hill thing. The layers of suck with him are just too grand.
Do you think he's sitting there seeing BJ Hill play well and contend at the end of the season and admitted to himself he fucked up?
Or is he like "Don't worry Dave, you are smarter than everyone else. Billy Price is going to the Pro Bowl next year!!"
I was fine with the DG hire at the time--it looked like he got shafted in Carolina--but it was obvious very quickly that he was going to be a disaster. The Ogletree trade in March of that year was a huge red flag. Then the Solder signing and the Barkley pick made me realize the house was on fire.
My favorite was people defending him because he 'recognized his mistakes quickly' after he inevitably cut somebody terrible that he signed.
"You miss on a quarterback, it's a five year mistake"
I still can't get past the way DG waltzed out of here with impunity. Fans and the media didnt get to hold him responsible or accountable for all his abysmal decisions.
Mara allowed it to happen which is a direct reflection on his lack of leadership and own decision-making.
But the biggest story of the decline of the Giants was crippling long term injuries. Some careers were cut short early in their primes. Many ended during their primes. These are off the top of my head, so they might not be exact
Nicks done at 25
Cruz done at 27
JPP was all-world at 23 and the back injury limited his ascent
Chad Jones never played
Tuck was done at 30
Snee was done at 30
Webster was done at 30
Steve Smith was done at 24
Phillips was done at 25
Baas was done at 30
There's probably a few more
We got very few extended primes and loads and loads of talent that was completely cooked by their mid 20s. There were plenty of bad decisions made but Its just hard to survive that kind of talent drain.
What I found so dismaying is how good of a pro personnel lead he was as a Giant, and then how bad the UFAs went when he was GM. He had Midas Touch under Accorsi and Reese.
I was fine with the DG hire at the time--it looked like he got shafted in Carolina--but it was obvious very quickly that he was going to be a disaster. The Ogletree trade in March of that year was a huge red flag. Then the Solder signing and the Barkley pick made me realize the house was on fire.
My favorite was people defending him because he 'recognized his mistakes quickly' after he inevitably cut somebody terrible that he signed.
There were a lot of posters here who refused to ever admit DG was a disaster. No matter how many mistakes he made and how bad the team got, it was always just part of the plan that we were all too dumb to understand.
But the biggest story of the decline of the Giants was crippling long term injuries. Some careers were cut short early in their primes. Many ended during their primes. These are off the top of my head, so they might not be exact
Nicks done at 25
Cruz done at 27
JPP was all-world at 23 and the back injury limited his ascent
Chad Jones never played
Tuck was done at 30
Snee was done at 30
Webster was done at 30
Steve Smith was done at 24
Phillips was done at 25
Baas was done at 30
There's probably a few more
We got very few extended primes and loads and loads of talent that was completely cooked by their mid 20s. There were plenty of bad decisions made but Its just hard to survive that kind of talent drain.
I've been saying this for years too. Reese got insanely unlucky. Kelce just retired after an All Pro season at 36 but we couldn't even get average play from Snee past 30.
Nicks was a heart-breaker. If he had a 7 year prime, we might take Martin over Odell.
Reese made a number of errors, but to hit home runs the on 2008 and 2009 first rounders and basically get nothing from them starting in 2013 just sucks.
You will never convince me that Dave Gettleman was not a close Eagles fan who spent his whole career trying to end up where he did to destroy the Giants. I am sure he is sitting at home right now in a Brian Dawkins jersey laughing his ass off that Barkley is an Eagle.
You will never convince me that Dave Gettleman was not a close Eagles fan who spent his whole career trying to end up where he did to destroy the Giants. I am sure he is sitting at home right now in a Brian Dawkins jersey laughing his ass off that Barkley is an Eagle.
What I find interesting about the Gettleman disaster is how Accorsi seems to have escaped criticism.
He was THE guy Mara hired to find the next GM after Reese, and then spent all of ten minutes identifying and recommending Gettleman. A recommendation, btw, largely based on the fact he felt guilty about supporting Reese over Gettleman as his successor after he retired in 2006.
It's easy to blame Mara, but Accorsi has always had Mara's confidence because he was fully vested in the "Giants Way". He trusted him like Don Corleone trusted Tom Hagen.
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That would be shocking in illustrating how much Gettleman sucked. He is easily in the top 3 worst front office employees in Giants history. I don’t even think that is debatable.
You will never convince me that Dave Gettleman was not a close Eagles fan who spent his whole career trying to end up where he did to destroy the Giants. I am sure he is sitting at home right now in a Brian Dawkins jersey laughing his ass off that Barkley is an Eagle.
What I find interesting about the Gettleman disaster is how Accorsi seems to have escaped criticism.
He was THE guy Mara hired to find the next GM after Reese, and then spent all of ten minutes identifying and recommending Gettleman. A recommendation, btw, largely based on the fact he felt guilty about supporting Reese over Gettleman as his successor after he retired in 2006.
It's easy to blame Mara, but Accorsi has always had Mara's confidence because he was fully vested in the "Giants Way". He trusted him like Don Corleone trusted Tom Hagen.
John Mara asked Accorsi to conduct a GM search that would identify the best ex-Giants employee named Dave Gettleman to fill the role. That was not a search, it was a corronation.
And the guy wasn’t just bad at his job…he was an arrogant asshole. It is embarrassing that the Giants have to admit they gave him money and put him in front of TV cameras.
The NFL is built to not be this hard. You really have to try to be this bad for this long.
There is no clearer sign that ownership is a problem than this. They just do not get it.
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That would be shocking in illustrating how much Gettleman sucked. He is easily in the top 3 worst front office employees in Giants history. I don’t even think that is debatable.
You will never convince me that Dave Gettleman was not a close Eagles fan who spent his whole career trying to end up where he did to destroy the Giants. I am sure he is sitting at home right now in a Brian Dawkins jersey laughing his ass off that Barkley is an Eagle.
What I find interesting about the Gettleman disaster is how Accorsi seems to have escaped criticism.
He was THE guy Mara hired to find the next GM after Reese, and then spent all of ten minutes identifying and recommending Gettleman. A recommendation, btw, largely based on the fact he felt guilty about supporting Reese over Gettleman as his successor after he retired in 2006.
It's easy to blame Mara, but Accorsi has always had Mara's confidence because he was fully vested in the "Giants Way". He trusted him like Don Corleone trusted Tom Hagen.
John Mara asked Accorsi to conduct a GM search that would identify the best ex-Giants employee named Dave Gettleman to fill the role. That was not a search, it was a corronation.
And the guy wasn’t just bad at his job…he was an arrogant asshole. It is embarrassing that the Giants have to admit they gave him money and put him in front of TV cameras.
This 1000%. Businesses do this all the time: hire a consultant to come to a conclusion that management already decided. And then management can act like they weren’t biased, there wasn’t cronyism, etc.
And on top of that the guy was an asshole. Can’t believe Mara had him ride off into the sunset with honoring him the last home game he was here.
2018: 0-2 which became 1-7
2019: 0-2 which became 2-2 then became 2-11
2020: 0-5
2021: 0-3 which became 1-5
You'd think after 2021 Schoen would move off of Jones. But what happened? Mara is telling reporters they've done everything to screw Jones up before Schoen can even sit at his desk.
Still, Schoen declines the 5th year option. Then they have a little bit of success, win a playoff game and all of John Mara, Chris Mara & Steve Tisch are acting as if they've won the Super Bowl. Jones is declared their "franchise QB".
What a fucking mess. This is a very difficult franchise to be GM. And Gettleman dealt with it too I'm sure.
All to say, Gettleman was that bad but we continued the path beyond his tenure here.
The only difference is BD was a good enough coach to create a scheme that worked on a temporary basis and/or against bad defenses. But the Giants overall talent level came back to the surface. Sad thing is I think we may have the talent to be a real team this year at all but the most important position so we probably won’t get a real read on that.
And on top of that the guy was an asshole. Can’t believe Mara had him ride off into the sunset with honoring him the last home game he was here.
This team was dog doo doo well before he arrived. Years before. He walked in a year after the previous regime passed on an All Pro LT because they wanted to pander to Ereck Flowers' feelings.
Dave did a pretty solid job in Carolina. Team did get to the SB and he added a bunch of good players that included several PB/AP players.
He also added the first AP OL with the Giants going all the way back to Snee in 2004.
Like Dave, Reese inherited most of the team. Even the QB/HC. JR had Eli/TC. Dave Cam/Rivera.
After his first two years as GM here, I don't think he had a lot of say as Mara was clearly going with Judge.
Unlike Jerry Reese, who agreed to a QB plan with Mara, executed it and was fired for it when some fans were upset. Spare me the stuff about John Mara being a “good guy.” He’s a moron, a nepo baby and a cowardly twerp.
Unlike Jerry Reese, who agreed to a QB plan with Mara, executed it and was fired for it when some fans were upset. Spare me the stuff about John Mara being a “good guy.” He’s a moron, a nepo baby and a cowardly twerp.
Mara was deeply fixated with being the good guy and there being a warm and fuzzy transition out for his favorites. And that desire for things to go smoothly backfired every time.
The Coughlin retiring charade, the working in the back up quarterbacks, giving Gettleman a swing after he picked Reese first. All of it was so contrived and predictable.
The only thing you missed was something about the running backs, and we've have your greatest hits.
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…instead of being escorted out of the building holding a box of his belongings, he was allowed a nice little farewell
Unlike Jerry Reese, who agreed to a QB plan with Mara, executed it and was fired for it when some fans were upset. Spare me the stuff about John Mara being a “good guy.” He’s a moron, a nepo baby and a cowardly twerp.
Mara was deeply fixated with being the good guy and there being a warm and fuzzy transition out for his favorites. And that desire for things to go smoothly backfired every time.
The Coughlin retiring charade, the working in the back up quarterbacks, giving Gettleman a swing after he picked Reese first. All of it was so contrived and predictable.
I think this is very accurate. And one of the hallmarks of John Mara causing this franchise to go down the toilet. You can draw a straight line to Mara falling back on what he 'knew' with Gettleman and also the Giants selecting Daniel Jones because they 'knew' David Cutcliffe because of Eli. John Mara goes to what feels comfortable and familiar. Its part of the reason the Jones pick makes me so mad. I'm convinced that if Cutcliffe wasn't connected to Jones, he wouldnt have been the pick.
I think this is very accurate. And one of the hallmarks of John Mara causing this franchise to go down the toilet. You can draw a straight line to Mara falling back on what he 'knew' with Gettleman and also the Giants selecting Daniel Jones because they 'knew' David Cutcliffe because of Eli. John Mara goes to what feels comfortable and familiar. Its part of the reason the Jones pick makes me so mad. I'm convinced that if Cutcliffe wasn't connected to Jones, he wouldnt have been the pick.
I've heard directly and indirectly from people who know John Mara that's he's both an incredibly sincere and caring person, but also cares very deeply what people think of him.
I think his father instilled a deep concern for the players and staff, that doesn't help when it's time to make tough decisions.
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All of it was so contrived and predictable.
I think this is very accurate. And one of the hallmarks of John Mara causing this franchise to go down the toilet. You can draw a straight line to Mara falling back on what he 'knew' with Gettleman and also the Giants selecting Daniel Jones because they 'knew' David Cutcliffe because of Eli. John Mara goes to what feels comfortable and familiar. Its part of the reason the Jones pick makes me so mad. I'm convinced that if Cutcliffe wasn't connected to Jones, he wouldnt have been the pick.
I've heard directly and indirectly from people who know John Mara that's he's both an incredibly sincere and caring person, but also cares very deeply what people think of him.
I think his father instilled a deep concern for the players and staff, that doesn't help when it's time to make tough decisions.
If he cares so much about people, you’d think that would extend to Reese, who was intimately involved in securing the team their last two rings. So he’s inconsistent. Daniel Jones is in; Reese is out.
Mara can’t retire soon enough. I hope Kate Mara is the next CEO of the team. At least it would make the annual Press conferences more watchable..
Mara can’t retire soon enough. I hope Kate Mara is the next CEO of the team. At least it would make the annual Press conferences more watchable.
My guess is Jerry Reese is not a terribly likable person. And I also suspect after the Manning crying incident, Reese is probably the only person who told Mara "you're the one who fucking wanted this."
Mara clearly picked Manning over Reese in that moment.
The way you talk about Reese, I get the sense you didn't enjoy that season and run all that much.
I think if Shurmur had stayed on as head coach, Jones would have had bigger numbers, but ultimately resembled a player like Jameis Winston. Big numbers but too many turnovers to justify investment.
Damn what a horrible offseason. Nate Solder did Patrick Omameh a huge favor. I had forgotten how bad that signing was
Don't sleep on Pio!
Damn what a horrible offseason. Nate Solder did Patrick Omameh a huge favor. I had forgotten how bad that signing was
Gettleman also let some solid players walk. Okwara, Kennard, Pugh, and Richburg all had some good football left in them to various degrees. And the crowing achievement was trading JPP for the pick that became BJ Hill. And then trading BJ Hill for Billy Price.
Reese inherited the entire OL. He never added an OL in the draft from rounds 1-3 from 2007-2012.
I think any smart GM who understood Eli's skillset would have made a huge priority keeping the OL to a high standard. Philly/Dallas each had three AP/PB OL in 2017. The last PB OL Eli had was Snee in 2012.
+1,000,000. And not just in connection with football.
It still amazes me that anyone lumps Jerry Reese together with Gettleman. Reese made some decisions that were hard to defend contemporaneously, and many that were defensible at the time but turned out poorly. In a bottom-line business, he won two Super Bowls in eleven years as GM, with a roster he helped Ernie Accorsi build through the draft. That's a decent record no matter how badly his last five years sucked. Although Reese could be prickly and defensive, he was mostly respectful toward the press and the fans, and appreciative of all the organization had given him. Even the decision that got him fired doesn't look so bad now that Geno Smith is a solid NFL starter and Eli Manning has been out of the League for five years.
As for Gettleman, well... he drafted Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence and, um... Darius Slayton? And if we go back to 2005, he played some role in several good UFA signings.
Mara can’t retire soon enough. I hope Kate Mara is the next CEO of the team. At least it would make the annual Press conferences more watchable..
I'm going Rooney just because I think this guy would be the ultimate president of Jints Central...
Reese inherited the entire OL. He never added an OL in the draft from rounds 1-3 from 2007-2012.
Will Beatty has entered the chat.
And Reese picked one fewer offensive lineman in rounds 1-3 in the six year period from 2007-2012 as Accorsi did in the six year period of 2001-2006.
Reese picked Beatty on round two in 2009, and Accorsi picked Jeff Hatch on round 3 in 2002 and Chris Snee on round 2 in 2004.
Reese made a number of prescient and gutsy moves that worked out. Gettleman led a pro personnel team that hit on virtually every UFA. And Coughlin and the staff developed a number of mid-to-late round talents.
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Damn what a horrible offseason. Nate Solder did Patrick Omameh a huge favor. I had forgotten how bad that signing was
Gettleman also let some solid players walk. Okwara, Kennard, Pugh, and Richburg all had some good football left in them to various degrees. And the crowing achievement was trading JPP for the pick that became BJ Hill. And then trading BJ Hill for Billy Price.
I also forgot about the BJ Hill thing. The layers of suck with him are just too grand.
Do you think he's sitting there seeing BJ Hill play well and contend at the end of the season and admitted to himself he fucked up?
Or is he like "Don't worry Dave, you are smarter than everyone else. Billy Price is going to the Pro Bowl next year!!"
My favorite was people defending him because he 'recognized his mistakes quickly' after he inevitably cut somebody terrible that he signed.
Mara allowed it to happen which is a direct reflection on his lack of leadership and own decision-making.
Nicks done at 25
Cruz done at 27
JPP was all-world at 23 and the back injury limited his ascent
Chad Jones never played
Tuck was done at 30
Snee was done at 30
Webster was done at 30
Steve Smith was done at 24
Phillips was done at 25
Baas was done at 30
There's probably a few more
We got very few extended primes and loads and loads of talent that was completely cooked by their mid 20s. There were plenty of bad decisions made but Its just hard to survive that kind of talent drain.
My favorite was people defending him because he 'recognized his mistakes quickly' after he inevitably cut somebody terrible that he signed.
There were a lot of posters here who refused to ever admit DG was a disaster. No matter how many mistakes he made and how bad the team got, it was always just part of the plan that we were all too dumb to understand.
Nicks done at 25
Cruz done at 27
JPP was all-world at 23 and the back injury limited his ascent
Chad Jones never played
Tuck was done at 30
Snee was done at 30
Webster was done at 30
Steve Smith was done at 24
Phillips was done at 25
Baas was done at 30
There's probably a few more
We got very few extended primes and loads and loads of talent that was completely cooked by their mid 20s. There were plenty of bad decisions made but Its just hard to survive that kind of talent drain.
I've been saying this for years too. Reese got insanely unlucky. Kelce just retired after an All Pro season at 36 but we couldn't even get average play from Snee past 30.
Nicks was a heart-breaker. If he had a 7 year prime, we might take Martin over Odell.
Reese made a number of errors, but to hit home runs the on 2008 and 2009 first rounders and basically get nothing from them starting in 2013 just sucks.