I probably knew this at one point -- the Giants spent 1 week in Gettleman's entire tenure with a .500 record and zero weeks with a winning record? Week of September 30th 2019, the Giants were 2-2. Is this true?
...conveniently forgotten when he returned to Jersey where it wouldn't have gone over as well, and replaced by having his surrogates play the Cancer Card for sympathy when the team was sucking under Shurmur and it was clear that heads would roll.
I was fine with the DG hire at the time--it looked like he got shafted in Carolina--but it was obvious very quickly that he was going to be a disaster. The Ogletree trade in March of that year was a huge red flag. Then the Solder signing and the Barkley pick made me realize the house was on fire.
My favorite was people defending him because he 'recognized his mistakes quickly' after he inevitably cut somebody terrible that he signed.
There were a lot of posters here who refused to ever admit DG was a disaster. No matter how many mistakes he made and how bad the team got, it was always just part of the plan that we were all too dumb to understand.
At the risk of defaming the departed, this is a classic. Link - ( New Window )
But the biggest story of the decline of the Giants was crippling long term injuries.
No one wants to hear it because "Everyone has injuries!", but it's not an excuse when most of your best players have career ending injuries, or severely limiting injuries, in their 20s. In addition to your list, there was Terrell Thomas (career basically over at 25). Jonathan Goff got the starting MLB job in 2010 at age 25, played a very nice season....and never played again after blowing out his knee. There was Jake Ballard, who came from out of nowhere to have an excellent rookie season as a UDFA in 2011 only to blow out his knee in the Super Bowl, ending his career.
None of the Giants' good OL had long careers by OL standards. McKenzie retired at 32 and had been significantly declining for several years prior. Seubert retired at 31. Jason Peters is actually older than Snee and played LAST SEASON, a full decade after Snee retired.
So yeah, everyone deals with injuries, but for years not only did the Giants' best players get injured, but most of them either never played again or had diminished, truncated careers. Once they got hurt, that was mostly it, and that was brutal to overcome.
"You miss on a quarterback, it's a five year mistake"
The other very mysterious thing that happened during the end of the Reese years is the inability to develop any offensive lineman.
Let's say for argument's sake Pugh, Richburg, and Flowers were all over drafted by a full round. Wouldn't you expect some of the 2nd and 3rd round talent to be developed by the staff?
But the biggest story of the decline of the Giants was crippling long term injuries. Some careers were cut short early in their primes. Many ended during their primes. These are off the top of my head, so they might not be exact
Nicks done at 25
Cruz done at 27
JPP was all-world at 23 and the back injury limited his ascent
Chad Jones never played
Tuck was done at 30
Snee was done at 30
Webster was done at 30
Steve Smith was done at 24
Phillips was done at 25
Baas was done at 30
There's probably a few more
We got very few extended primes and loads and loads of talent that was completely cooked by their mid 20s. There were plenty of bad decisions made but Its just hard to survive that kind of talent drain.
Agree Nicks was a devastating injury. Snee and Tuck breaking down should not really be a surprise considering how they played imv. Tuck entered the league already having a significant injury which is why he fell in the draft.
I was fine with the DG hire at the time--it looked like he got shafted in Carolina--but it was obvious very quickly that he was going to be a disaster. The Ogletree trade in March of that year was a huge red flag. Then the Solder signing and the Barkley pick made me realize the house was on fire.
My favorite was people defending him because he 'recognized his mistakes quickly' after he inevitably cut somebody terrible that he signed.
There were a lot of posters here who refused to ever admit DG was a disaster. No matter how many mistakes he made and how bad the team got, it was always just part of the plan that we were all too dumb to understand.
At the risk of defaming the departed, this is a classic. Link - ( New Window )
This is what makes BBI a special place. There is no escaping the historic receipts!
Gettleman has been a disaster
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We're caught in a limbo where we are non-competitive now, but aren't really building anything for the future either. We've invested a blue chip pick in a running back, and have huge money tied up in a wide receiver. Those are the types of moves we killed Reese for, but Reese isn't here to kick around anymore. And within a year or two there's a good chance that we'll be overextending for a QB prospect when we could have just sat tight and had him.
Gettleman has been a disaster
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We're caught in a limbo where we are non-competitive now, but aren't really building anything for the future either. We've invested a blue chip pick in a running back, and have huge money tied up in a wide receiver. Those are the types of moves we killed Reese for, but Reese isn't here to kick around anymore. And within a year or two there's a good chance that we'll be overextending for a QB prospect when we could have just sat tight and had him.
Nicks, Cruz, Smith, and Beckham all had significant injuries that derailed their careers before the age of 27.
The Giants were hitting home run after home run drafting WRs, and didn't get 4 healthy years out of any of them.
Hell even Manningham too, he had the injury bug as well.
It's really ridiculous in hindsight. I think the Giants left a ring on the table in 2012. If Nicks and Bellinger are healthy Giants, I think they compete for the Super Bowl that year.
Nicks, Cruz, Smith, and Beckham all had significant injuries that derailed their careers before the age of 27.
The Giants were hitting home run after home run drafting WRs, and didn't get 4 healthy years out of any of them.
Hell even Manningham too, he had the injury bug as well.
It's really ridiculous in hindsight. I think the Giants left a ring on the table in 2012. If Nicks and Bellinger are healthy Giants, I think they compete for the Super Bowl that year.
Gettleman has been a disaster
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We're caught in a limbo where we are non-competitive now, but aren't really building anything for the future either. We've invested a blue chip pick in a running back, and have huge money tied up in a wide receiver. Those are the types of moves we killed Reese for, but Reese isn't here to kick around anymore. And within a year or two there's a good chance that we'll be overextending for a QB prospect when we could have just sat tight and had him.
It's just been a disaster.
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One need only read that thread to know that "trust the process" and "trust the experts" require healthy doses of skeptical, independent and objective reality. I still believe your Lamar Jackson call was the best prognostication I have seen in my seven years of following BBI. And how different the world would be today for Giants fans had Gettleman been similarly prescient.
was a good enough team to compete for the playoffs. Chances of that D rising again to the level it did the year before were unrealistic.
2011 was a very flawed team. What it did establish was the brilliance of both TC and Eli.
Mara chose Reese over TC. He gave in to Tisch. Moving on from TC started all the way back at the end of 2010. The drafts, SB clock, Jernigan comments, Gilbride, etc. all confirm it.
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Circumstantial evidence my ass. Giants ownership doesn't give directives to preserve a player's legacy. In your fucked up world, ownership hires a GM and a new coach with the explicit instructions to keep the QB around, even if it is detrimental to the team. To "bow to the House Of Manning". They then build around the QB to make sure he's here for several more years and give him a shiny new RB to go with a top WR.
Unfortunately you are deep in denial. Let me help once again...
It was reported in Newsday after the Benchgate that Mara and Eli had a "very emotional talk" and Mara didn't want Eli to "go out like this". And he was basically heartbroken when Eli started to break down on TV after the benching was announced. Mara then said he wanted Eli to retire as a Giant and Eli wanted the same thing. So...
A few days later McAdoo is the made the scapegoat and fired. And a few days later Reese is fired to round out the house clean. Both are easy targets.
Then suddenly Accorsi is back in the picture. Do you think that's just coincidence? He drafted Eli. And then he strongly recommends that Gettleman, who was there when Eli was drafted, as the GM. Do you think that's just another coincidence?
The next shoe drops - Shurmur becomes the HC lead candidate. Why? He just brought Case Keenum back from the QB graveyard. Perfect. Maybe he can do the same resuscitate Eli.
Shortly thereafter it is plastered all over the media that everyone has watched all this video and Eli still has plenty in the tank. Mara is ecstatic. Just what he wants to hear...Is that just pure coincidence? Hell, no. That is everyone falling in line.
Then the plan is hatched - rebuild the oline, improve at RB, and lock down OBJ (which got bumpy when the grainy video surfaced). And let's see if we can add some pieces on D.
Now Eli is set to - on paper - with a better team offensively.
I actually get why Mara did this. He feels a big debt of gratitude towards Eli. As I've said in the past, that's human nature. Mara isn't coldblooded to simply severe ties after such a catastrophe with the benching...
But I think it's the wrong plan; and a reflection of an organization that made decisions based on emotion and not good football reasoning.
IF the rumors are true about Reece and McAdoo wanting to move on from Eli - they got he perfect guy for puppet masters of Jints Central to run things from behind the scenes.
The organization has changed in some respects - credit to them. But some those insider Jints Cetral guys are still there.
was a good enough team to compete for the playoffs. Chances of that D rising again to the level it did the year before were unrealistic.
2011 was a very flawed team. What it did establish was the brilliance of both TC and Eli.
Mara chose Reese over TC. He gave in to Tisch. Moving on from TC started all the way back at the end of 2010. The drafts, SB clock, Jernigan comments, Gilbride, etc. all confirm it.
And so it goes for St. Tommy. As always, all of thr credit for winning and none of the responsibility for losing.
The process that led to DG was a joke, with EA all but doing a solid for his old buddy and convincing Mara-who is an idiot-that Dave was the right man for the job. Dave then watches one meaningless game vs. the Eagles where Eli played well and said, ‘Eli still has it!’
There are so many aspects of the Gettleman era that drive me up the wall, but the one that takes the cake is him PUBLICLY saying he wouldn’t trade out of 2nd pick in ‘18 no matter what. When I first saw that, I thought it was satire.
Gettleman has been a disaster
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We're caught in a limbo where we are non-competitive now, but aren't really building anything for the future either. We've invested a blue chip pick in a running back, and have huge money tied up in a wide receiver. Those are the types of moves we killed Reese for, but Reese isn't here to kick around anymore. And within a year or two there's a good chance that we'll be overextending for a QB prospect when we could have just sat tight and had him.
It's just been a disaster.
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You catch a lot of grief here but I'm on board with a lot of what you have to say.
Mara chose Reese over TC. He gave in to Tisch. Moving on from TC started all the way back at the end of 2010. The drafts, SB clock, Jernigan comments, Gilbride, etc. all confirm it.
Exactly. And if people want to blame TC for the personnel side, then why the hell was Reese the GM at all? Reese could not effectively replace the Accorsi holdovers. When they aged out, it was lights out. Gilbride was scapegoated. End of story.
The 2012 Giants defense that was ranked 12th in scoring didn't need to rise any levels like the 25th ranked 2011 defense did.
Coughlin and Manning put it perfectly after they lost to the eventual Super Bowl champs, and effectively took themselves out of the playoffs.
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"I feel badly for everyone in that locker room because they can't turn this thing around either," Coughlin said. "What has happened over the course of the last couple of weeks is very difficult to explain. We just don't look like a well-oiled machine offensively at all."
Said Manning: "We knew we had to play our best football at the end of the season to get into the playoffs, and we haven't done that. When you're not playing your best, teams can come out and embarrass you."
100%. Dave just little to turn it around and the franchise needed so much talent at that time.
Christine would have earned more credibility with the thread acknowledging the difficult circumstances Dave stepped into. That is not her style though.
100%. Dave just little to turn it around and the franchise needed so much talent at that time.
Christine would have earned more credibility with the thread acknowledging the difficult circumstances Dave stepped into. That is not her style though.
Pretty much every GM inherits difficult circumstances. Outside of retirement situations like the Giants with Reese or the Ravens with DeCosta, there is an opening because the team has sucked.
I think your point is a fair one. I have no problem with Dave receiving criticism.
In addition to have to fixing so many talent issues on the team, Dave also had to work with an Eli mandate. I don't think there is any chance that Ernie told Mara, "let's have Dave determine what happens with Eli." The decision was made before Dave imv and I think it was the right one.
I think your point is a fair one. I have no problem with Dave receiving criticism.
In addition to have to fixing so many talent issues on the team, Dave also had to work with an Eli mandate. I don't think there is any chance that Ernie told Mara, "let's have Dave determine what happens with Eli." The decision was made before Dave imv and I think it was the right one.
I would have drafted Allen in '18.
The Eli "mandate" was clear as day to everyone well before Gettleman was hired. If he didn't like the limitations of the job, the simplest thing would have been to take himself out of the running.
Imagine being in your late 60s and taking a job that gives you no control over the most important position in sports.
So yeah, either Gettleman agreed with the decision that had been made about Eli, or he's a spineless dipshit.
According to FatMan, Gettleman was fired in Carolina for not playing favorites with Richardson's sacred cow players. And his unwillingness to be pushed into personnel decisions ended his time there.
I think it's pretty silly to believe Gettleman then decided to go to New York and have the most important player predetermined against his will.
but I also think the Giants missed a great opportunity in future years with the TC/Eli combo.
Reese inherited the entire OL. He never added an OL in the draft from rounds 1-3 from 2007-2012.
He drafted Will Beatty in the 2nd round of the 2009 draft. But he was a reach, injury prone and mentally soft. So of course Reese gave him a second contract, lol.
A shame how this organization treated/treats Jerry Reese. Has he ever been back to the facilities? A 2 time SB winning GM and it's like he never existed.
According to FatMan, Gettleman was fired in Carolina for not playing favorites with Richardson's sacred cow players. And his unwillingness to be pushed into personnel decisions ended his time there.
I think it's pretty silly to believe Gettleman then decided to go to New York and have the most important player predetermined against his will.
The fan fiction is scraping the barrel now.
Really...
I mean - DG was not the brightest bulb in the box, but you don't think he was capable of learning the very valuable lesson of listening to your superiors or it will cost you your job in the NFL?
You don't think he figured out - hey man - the owners are really calling the shots on some things in this league - not the GM?
Dude was out of work on his last leg - you don't think he was willing to tell Jints Central whatever they wanted to hear to have Big Blue take him back?
I think Dave Gettleman was 67 years old, and a pretty proud guy, when the Giants hired him.
As described above pretty well, he was either on board or a total wimp. I don't have much love for Dave Gettleman, but I don't think he was the latter.
I think Dave Gettleman was 67 years old, and a pretty proud guy, when the Giants hired him.
As described above pretty well, he was either on board or a total wimp. I don't have much love for Dave Gettleman, but I don't think he was the latter.
If he was so proud he wouldn't of went out like a wimp - which is exactly what happened.
His Carolina exit was a show. He left NY without so much as a whisper. He was a total cuck for the franchise he loved so much.
because he signaled to Mara a willingness to build around Jones and Barkley, just like Gettleman likely got the job by signaling a desire to build around Eli. If we've learned anything in the last few years, it's that Mara meddles far more than he would admit in public and his sentimental caveats have hampered any true rebuilding effort.
RE: On a tangent, I think Schoen probably got the job
because he signaled to Mara a willingness to build around Jones and Barkley, just like Gettleman likely got the job by signaling a desire to build around Eli. If we've learned anything in the last few years, it's that Mara meddles far more than he would admit in public and his sentimental caveats have hampered any true rebuilding effort.
I would totally buy this - EXCEPT - Schoen and Co. first order of business was to pass on DJ's 5th year option.
It's the main reason I can't buy this line of thinking b/c the rest of their actions make so much more sense if this were a given.
The way I see it, the guys that got screwed were McAdoo and Reese. They wanted to play basketball on grass with Patrick Mahomes. Instead we're now trying to play basketball on grass with Daniel Jones.
The way I see it, the guys that got screwed were McAdoo and Reese. They wanted to play basketball on grass with Patrick Mahomes. Instead we're now trying to play basketball on grass with Daniel Jones.
They were absolutely the fall guys in the tangled web Mara wove.
Mara specifically asked each to collaborate and draw up a plan to sit Eli. They obliged. Apparently, Mara had second thoughts when he was out of town, but never got back to them to give them different direction.
So, McAdoo and Reese executed the plan.
But then fans and media revolted when they saw Eli breakdown. And Mara could not handle that. His palpitations kicked in. And Reese and McAdoo were fed to the lions.
My favorite was people defending him because he 'recognized his mistakes quickly' after he inevitably cut somebody terrible that he signed.
There were a lot of posters here who refused to ever admit DG was a disaster. No matter how many mistakes he made and how bad the team got, it was always just part of the plan that we were all too dumb to understand.
At the risk of defaming the departed, this is a classic.
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No one wants to hear it because "Everyone has injuries!", but it's not an excuse when most of your best players have career ending injuries, or severely limiting injuries, in their 20s. In addition to your list, there was Terrell Thomas (career basically over at 25). Jonathan Goff got the starting MLB job in 2010 at age 25, played a very nice season....and never played again after blowing out his knee. There was Jake Ballard, who came from out of nowhere to have an excellent rookie season as a UDFA in 2011 only to blow out his knee in the Super Bowl, ending his career.
None of the Giants' good OL had long careers by OL standards. McKenzie retired at 32 and had been significantly declining for several years prior. Seubert retired at 31. Jason Peters is actually older than Snee and played LAST SEASON, a full decade after Snee retired.
So yeah, everyone deals with injuries, but for years not only did the Giants' best players get injured, but most of them either never played again or had diminished, truncated careers. Once they got hurt, that was mostly it, and that was brutal to overcome.
Let's say for argument's sake Pugh, Richburg, and Flowers were all over drafted by a full round. Wouldn't you expect some of the 2nd and 3rd round talent to be developed by the staff?
We are entering year 6…
Nicks done at 25
Cruz done at 27
JPP was all-world at 23 and the back injury limited his ascent
Chad Jones never played
Tuck was done at 30
Snee was done at 30
Webster was done at 30
Steve Smith was done at 24
Phillips was done at 25
Baas was done at 30
There's probably a few more
We got very few extended primes and loads and loads of talent that was completely cooked by their mid 20s. There were plenty of bad decisions made but Its just hard to survive that kind of talent drain.
Nicks kills me. He had HOF talent.
The Giants were hitting home run after home run drafting WRs, and didn't get 4 healthy years out of any of them.
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I was fine with the DG hire at the time--it looked like he got shafted in Carolina--but it was obvious very quickly that he was going to be a disaster. The Ogletree trade in March of that year was a huge red flag. Then the Solder signing and the Barkley pick made me realize the house was on fire.
My favorite was people defending him because he 'recognized his mistakes quickly' after he inevitably cut somebody terrible that he signed.
There were a lot of posters here who refused to ever admit DG was a disaster. No matter how many mistakes he made and how bad the team got, it was always just part of the plan that we were all too dumb to understand.
At the risk of defaming the departed, this is a classic. Link - ( New Window )
This is what makes BBI a special place. There is no escaping the historic receipts!
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We're caught in a limbo where we are non-competitive now, but aren't really building anything for the future either. We've invested a blue chip pick in a running back, and have huge money tied up in a wide receiver. Those are the types of moves we killed Reese for, but Reese isn't here to kick around anymore. And within a year or two there's a good chance that we'll be overextending for a QB prospect when we could have just sat tight and had him.
It's just been a disaster.
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The Giants were hitting home run after home run drafting WRs, and didn't get 4 healthy years out of any of them.
Hell even Manningham too, he had the injury bug as well.
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We're caught in a limbo where we are non-competitive now, but aren't really building anything for the future either. We've invested a blue chip pick in a running back, and have huge money tied up in a wide receiver. Those are the types of moves we killed Reese for, but Reese isn't here to kick around anymore. And within a year or two there's a good chance that we'll be overextending for a QB prospect when we could have just sat tight and had him.
It's just been a disaster.
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Two games into his tenure and you nailed it.
The Giants were hitting home run after home run drafting WRs, and didn't get 4 healthy years out of any of them.
Hell even Manningham too, he had the injury bug as well.
It's really ridiculous in hindsight. I think the Giants left a ring on the table in 2012. If Nicks and Bellinger are healthy Giants, I think they compete for the Super Bowl that year.
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Nicks, Cruz, Smith, and Beckham all had significant injuries that derailed their careers before the age of 27.
The Giants were hitting home run after home run drafting WRs, and didn't get 4 healthy years out of any of them.
Hell even Manningham too, he had the injury bug as well.
It's really ridiculous in hindsight. I think the Giants left a ring on the table in 2012. If Nicks and Bellinger are healthy Giants, I think they compete for the Super Bowl that year.
Something happened to that ‘12 team post Sandy.
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We're caught in a limbo where we are non-competitive now, but aren't really building anything for the future either. We've invested a blue chip pick in a running back, and have huge money tied up in a wide receiver. Those are the types of moves we killed Reese for, but Reese isn't here to kick around anymore. And within a year or two there's a good chance that we'll be overextending for a QB prospect when we could have just sat tight and had him.
It's just been a disaster.
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One need only read that thread to know that "trust the process" and "trust the experts" require healthy doses of skeptical, independent and objective reality. I still believe your Lamar Jackson call was the best prognostication I have seen in my seven years of following BBI. And how different the world would be today for Giants fans had Gettleman been similarly prescient.
2011 was a very flawed team. What it did establish was the brilliance of both TC and Eli.
Mara chose Reese over TC. He gave in to Tisch. Moving on from TC started all the way back at the end of 2010. The drafts, SB clock, Jernigan comments, Gilbride, etc. all confirm it.
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Circumstantial evidence my ass. Giants ownership doesn't give directives to preserve a player's legacy. In your fucked up world, ownership hires a GM and a new coach with the explicit instructions to keep the QB around, even if it is detrimental to the team. To "bow to the House Of Manning". They then build around the QB to make sure he's here for several more years and give him a shiny new RB to go with a top WR.
Unfortunately you are deep in denial. Let me help once again...
It was reported in Newsday after the Benchgate that Mara and Eli had a "very emotional talk" and Mara didn't want Eli to "go out like this". And he was basically heartbroken when Eli started to break down on TV after the benching was announced. Mara then said he wanted Eli to retire as a Giant and Eli wanted the same thing. So...
A few days later McAdoo is the made the scapegoat and fired. And a few days later Reese is fired to round out the house clean. Both are easy targets.
Then suddenly Accorsi is back in the picture. Do you think that's just coincidence? He drafted Eli. And then he strongly recommends that Gettleman, who was there when Eli was drafted, as the GM. Do you think that's just another coincidence?
The next shoe drops - Shurmur becomes the HC lead candidate. Why? He just brought Case Keenum back from the QB graveyard. Perfect. Maybe he can do the same resuscitate Eli.
Shortly thereafter it is plastered all over the media that everyone has watched all this video and Eli still has plenty in the tank. Mara is ecstatic. Just what he wants to hear...Is that just pure coincidence? Hell, no. That is everyone falling in line.
Then the plan is hatched - rebuild the oline, improve at RB, and lock down OBJ (which got bumpy when the grainy video surfaced). And let's see if we can add some pieces on D.
Now Eli is set to - on paper - with a better team offensively.
I actually get why Mara did this. He feels a big debt of gratitude towards Eli. As I've said in the past, that's human nature. Mara isn't coldblooded to simply severe ties after such a catastrophe with the benching...
But I think it's the wrong plan; and a reflection of an organization that made decisions based on emotion and not good football reasoning.
The organization has changed in some respects - credit to them. But some those insider Jints Cetral guys are still there.
2011 was a very flawed team. What it did establish was the brilliance of both TC and Eli.
Mara chose Reese over TC. He gave in to Tisch. Moving on from TC started all the way back at the end of 2010. The drafts, SB clock, Jernigan comments, Gilbride, etc. all confirm it.
And so it goes for St. Tommy. As always, all of thr credit for winning and none of the responsibility for losing.
There are so many aspects of the Gettleman era that drive me up the wall, but the one that takes the cake is him PUBLICLY saying he wouldn’t trade out of 2nd pick in ‘18 no matter what. When I first saw that, I thought it was satire.
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We're caught in a limbo where we are non-competitive now, but aren't really building anything for the future either. We've invested a blue chip pick in a running back, and have huge money tied up in a wide receiver. Those are the types of moves we killed Reese for, but Reese isn't here to kick around anymore. And within a year or two there's a good chance that we'll be overextending for a QB prospect when we could have just sat tight and had him.
It's just been a disaster.
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You catch a lot of grief here but I'm on board with a lot of what you have to say.
Exactly. And if people want to blame TC for the personnel side, then why the hell was Reese the GM at all? Reese could not effectively replace the Accorsi holdovers. When they aged out, it was lights out. Gilbride was scapegoated. End of story.
Coughlin and Manning put it perfectly after they lost to the eventual Super Bowl champs, and effectively took themselves out of the playoffs.
Said Manning: "We knew we had to play our best football at the end of the season to get into the playoffs, and we haven't done that. When you're not playing your best, teams can come out and embarrass you."
Let's focus here guys and not let Lines of Weirdness detail a cathartic Gettleman bashing.
Reese won 2 Super Bowls. We're talking about Gettleman who didn't have a single day with a winning record.
Let's focus here guys and not let Lines of Weirdness detail a cathartic Gettleman bashing.
Reese won 2 Super Bowls. We're talking about Gettleman who didn't have a single day with a winning record.
Thanks for getting the thread back on track! That slob!
It’s like we are caught in a timeless era of suck.
It's a remarkably bad accomplishment on Gettleman's part.
Christine would have earned more credibility with the thread acknowledging the difficult circumstances Dave stepped into. That is not her style though.
Let's focus here guys and not let Lines of Weirdness detail a cathartic Gettleman bashing.
Reese won 2 Super Bowls. We're talking about Gettleman who didn't have a single day with a winning record.
I think you're missing the forest through the trees.
Gettleman sucked. But it's not like the problem didn't exist before he got here and it's not like it went away when he left.
There are some constants that remain.
But go and proceed with DG bashing if it makes you feel better :)
Someone summon that awesome DG and computers pic.
Christine would have earned more credibility with the thread acknowledging the difficult circumstances Dave stepped into. That is not her style though.
Pretty much every GM inherits difficult circumstances. Outside of retirement situations like the Giants with Reese or the Ravens with DeCosta, there is an opening because the team has sucked.
Yes, I am being a bit hypocritical. But I always enjoy old banter with my Fatfriend in Charlotte. Just reminiscing, really... ;)
In addition to have to fixing so many talent issues on the team, Dave also had to work with an Eli mandate. I don't think there is any chance that Ernie told Mara, "let's have Dave determine what happens with Eli." The decision was made before Dave imv and I think it was the right one.
I would have drafted Allen in '18.
In addition to have to fixing so many talent issues on the team, Dave also had to work with an Eli mandate. I don't think there is any chance that Ernie told Mara, "let's have Dave determine what happens with Eli." The decision was made before Dave imv and I think it was the right one.
I would have drafted Allen in '18.
The Eli "mandate" was clear as day to everyone well before Gettleman was hired. If he didn't like the limitations of the job, the simplest thing would have been to take himself out of the running.
Imagine being in your late 60s and taking a job that gives you no control over the most important position in sports.
So yeah, either Gettleman agreed with the decision that had been made about Eli, or he's a spineless dipshit.
I think it's pretty silly to believe Gettleman then decided to go to New York and have the most important player predetermined against his will.
The fan fiction is scraping the barrel now.
Reese inherited the entire OL. He never added an OL in the draft from rounds 1-3 from 2007-2012.
He drafted Will Beatty in the 2nd round of the 2009 draft. But he was a reach, injury prone and mentally soft. So of course Reese gave him a second contract, lol.
I think it's pretty silly to believe Gettleman then decided to go to New York and have the most important player predetermined against his will.
The fan fiction is scraping the barrel now.
Really...
I mean - DG was not the brightest bulb in the box, but you don't think he was capable of learning the very valuable lesson of listening to your superiors or it will cost you your job in the NFL?
You don't think he figured out - hey man - the owners are really calling the shots on some things in this league - not the GM?
Dude was out of work on his last leg - you don't think he was willing to tell Jints Central whatever they wanted to hear to have Big Blue take him back?
That's really fan fiction.....
As described above pretty well, he was either on board or a total wimp. I don't have much love for Dave Gettleman, but I don't think he was the latter.
As described above pretty well, he was either on board or a total wimp. I don't have much love for Dave Gettleman, but I don't think he was the latter.
If he was so proud he wouldn't of went out like a wimp - which is exactly what happened.
His Carolina exit was a show. He left NY without so much as a whisper. He was a total cuck for the franchise he loved so much.
I would totally buy this - EXCEPT - Schoen and Co. first order of business was to pass on DJ's 5th year option.
It's the main reason I can't buy this line of thinking b/c the rest of their actions make so much more sense if this were a given.
Yup. The lack of nuance makes for some strange hagiography.
They were absolutely the fall guys in the tangled web Mara wove.
Mara specifically asked each to collaborate and draw up a plan to sit Eli. They obliged. Apparently, Mara had second thoughts when he was out of town, but never got back to them to give them different direction.
So, McAdoo and Reese executed the plan.
But then fans and media revolted when they saw Eli breakdown. And Mara could not handle that. His palpitations kicked in. And Reese and McAdoo were fed to the lions.
One of Mara's more cowardly moments...
I can only imagine the voicemails.
Message number one: "Hey John it's JR. Shit didn't go well, call me back."
Message number two: "John it's Eli. WTF was that. Call me right now."