Regardless of what media or coaches say, no one knows better if a guy has talent than the guys who play with him.
If DJ sucked (and he may), you’d expect the other professionals who’s careers depend on him playing well to start leaking or evenly openly challenging the decisions to keep and play DJ.
But that doesn’t happen. It seems like every single one of his teammates love and respect him.
I was worried nobody would leap to DJ's defense after Sauce Gardner failed to give a glowing review of his play when prompted immediately after a joint practice.
Golden Tate has had lots of good things to say about DJ. He had issues with the coaches, and I have to wager most ex-players in blue have the same belief.
He works harder than anyone, his looks the part and has the physical tools, and every coach who has worked with has sung his praises.
This is the exact problem with Daniel Jones, because all this - in the end - has resulted in an endless commitment to a QB that has had only one season of above-average play.
At least we'll finally put an an end (either way) to the question of whether the supporting cast was the problem this season.
good for DS...makes a fair point IMHO...liking this teams swag early...hope it grows...good dock DJ...good guy. hope he can win this year as a fan...JUST WIN BABY!...if not, next chapter
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Slayton makes some points, and this is why preseason games/practices
should not be used for anything but evaluating players and getting ready for the season. People making "absolute" determinations on any player after a preseason practice/scrimmage/game really don't know what they are talking about.
I am not supporting DJ or any player here, I am just saying thread after thread about how a player sucks based on a Wednesday practice is nuts. Wait until the season starts.
should not be used for anything but evaluating players and getting ready for the season. People making "absolute" determinations on any player after a preseason practice/scrimmage/game really don't know what they are talking about.
I am not supporting DJ or any player here, I am just saying thread after thread about how a player sucks based on a Wednesday practice is nuts. Wait until the season starts.
Like John said in the podcast with Sy, it's not just a couple of plays in a preseason game (or practice) it's the fact that the same problems are showing up in preseason/practice that have been prevalent for years
That being said, I think our results of the past several years (which are not all Jones’ fault) make it easier for people to point to him specifically since QB is arguably the most impactful position on a team.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go elsewhere as a backup and have like a late career surge if he finds himself on a team that is mostly built to win (think Rich Gannon).
RE: Let's just wait and see how the season plays out.
"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
You go back and watch the practice videos, you don't see that at all.
And now we get even more color - the Jets dropped into umbrella coverage and DJ checks down, and the mouth-breathers scream dink n dunk.
Throw it DEEP! EXPLOSIVE PLAYZ!!!!!
By all accounts, DJ played well in that practice and his numbers that day would look really damn good if Theo and Nabers make their catches. Against the Jets starters, mind you.
Is liked by teammates and the front office. He’s an extremely hard worker and good guy by all accounts. The problem is that he has limitations as a QB in that he doesn’t process well. I do think his career would of gone a ton better if he would of went in the second round and went to a more stable organization similar to what happened to Jalen Hurts.
"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
What's made me dislike DJ more than his play on the field is the fans who have mocked others who don't believe he's very good despite the evidence to the contrary. See the post directly above yours az an example
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
No one forces Slayton or Waller to go on these shows and defend Danny. Slayton knows it is beyond comical how much shit the guy gets. Is he a top QB? Not at all and [likely] won't ever be, but by the disdain he gets, you figure he would be raping women and pillaging villages. Justin Fields has been worse than DJ and gets nothing. Then again, he has his own little fanbase on BBI for God knows why.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
His comment about how they would have run the ball
Is the key part to me. If the Giants show an ability to run the ball effectively - which they have not done in a long time - that creates opportunities in the passing game.
Can’t take any of that serious when this is a real quote
Or Justin Herbert, for that matter. Matter of fact, if you ask most people about Justin Herbert, they'd probably tell you that he's a top-five quarterback, but under what logic? Can you really make a case for that, that he's a top-five quarterback?
"You just believe he's capable of that, because you see the big arm, basically that he's big, he's tall, he has a rocket of an arm. You assume his processing is good. You assume he's smart and all these things. You don't actually know, though."
The guy with a nearly 3-1 TD:INT ratio, has thrown for 5000 and 38 TDs and has won ROY has a much better case to be included in the top 5 than Jones does to be in the top 15.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
Why in the world would anyone think players would talk 'off the record' to a fan. What an utterly ridiculous comment. Off the record with fans? Come on.
But if by some insane move three players agreed to saying something 'off the record,' with a fan, off the record means you don't disclose it, not that you report it without saying who said it.
Now, I'm not saying there aren't players who would like to see someone else at QB. But when I read that post, after laughing, I said, okay, it's Lock, DeVito and some backup CB who Nabers and Jones embarrassed.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Let's see how things go with the regular season when actual plays are called. This Sauce nonsense is just bait for the news and readers. Good on Slayton to defend his QB. That is what I like to see when another team smack talks etc.
Besides, this is the JETS and the dumpster fire this org has been and will always be.
"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
It may sound personal because this gets thrown in our faces every time a legitimate performance-based criticism is launched at Jones.
I don't care that he works his tail off. That's a bar that virtually every player in the NFL clears. Even the guys who make it look easy work insanely hard, with very few exceptions.
Patrick Mahomes works hard. Josh Allen works hard. Daniel Jones "working his tail off" is not an accomplishment worthy of praise. It's a prerequisite for the career path he's chosen, for which he has been handsomely compensated.
Regardless of what media or coaches say, no one knows better if a guy has talent than the guys who play with him.
If DJ sucked (and he may), you’d expect the other professionals who’s careers depend on him playing well to start leaking or evenly openly challenging the decisions to keep and play DJ.
But that doesn’t happen. It seems like every single one of his teammates love and respect him.
The irony, with Slayton at least, is that 86 seems rather disappointed with his contract but doesn't realize how DJ is part of the reason why he isn't getting more money.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.
If DJ sucked (and he may), you’d expect the other professionals who’s careers depend on him playing well to start leaking or evenly openly challenging the decisions to keep and play DJ.
But that doesn’t happen. It seems like every single one of his teammates love and respect him.
This is the exact problem with Daniel Jones, because all this - in the end - has resulted in an endless commitment to a QB that has had only one season of above-average play.
At least we'll finally put an an end (either way) to the question of whether the supporting cast was the problem this season.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I am not supporting DJ or any player here, I am just saying thread after thread about how a player sucks based on a Wednesday practice is nuts. Wait until the season starts.
I am not supporting DJ or any player here, I am just saying thread after thread about how a player sucks based on a Wednesday practice is nuts. Wait until the season starts.
Like John said in the podcast with Sy, it's not just a couple of plays in a preseason game (or practice) it's the fact that the same problems are showing up in preseason/practice that have been prevalent for years
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go elsewhere as a backup and have like a late career surge if he finds himself on a team that is mostly built to win (think Rich Gannon).
Lol, I see what you did there
You go back and watch the practice videos, you don't see that at all.
And now we get even more color - the Jets dropped into umbrella coverage and DJ checks down, and the mouth-breathers scream dink n dunk.
Throw it DEEP! EXPLOSIVE PLAYZ!!!!!
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
You go back and watch the practice videos, you don't see that at all.
And now we get even more color - the Jets dropped into umbrella coverage and DJ checks down, and the mouth-breathers scream dink n dunk.
Throw it DEEP! EXPLOSIVE PLAYZ!!!!!
By all accounts, DJ played well in that practice and his numbers that day would look really damn good if Theo and Nabers make their catches. Against the Jets starters, mind you.
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
What's made me dislike DJ more than his play on the field is the fans who have mocked others who don't believe he's very good despite the evidence to the contrary. See the post directly above yours az an example
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had great things to say about DJ.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
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In comment 16584475 barens said:
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had great things to say about DJ.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
Clearly included Slayton...
Are the Vikings going to be bad tho?
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In comment 16584475 barens said:
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had great things to say about DJ.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
No one forces Slayton or Waller to go on these shows and defend Danny. Slayton knows it is beyond comical how much shit the guy gets. Is he a top QB? Not at all and [likely] won't ever be, but by the disdain he gets, you figure he would be raping women and pillaging villages. Justin Fields has been worse than DJ and gets nothing. Then again, he has his own little fanbase on BBI for God knows why.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
"You just believe he's capable of that, because you see the big arm, basically that he's big, he's tall, he has a rocket of an arm. You assume his processing is good. You assume he's smart and all these things. You don't actually know, though."
The guy with a nearly 3-1 TD:INT ratio, has thrown for 5000 and 38 TDs and has won ROY has a much better case to be included in the top 5 than Jones does to be in the top 15.
Slayton sounds like a BBI poster
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had great things to say about DJ.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
Why in the world would anyone think players would talk 'off the record' to a fan. What an utterly ridiculous comment. Off the record with fans? Come on.
But if by some insane move three players agreed to saying something 'off the record,' with a fan, off the record means you don't disclose it, not that you report it without saying who said it.
Now, I'm not saying there aren't players who would like to see someone else at QB. But when I read that post, after laughing, I said, okay, it's Lock, DeVito and some backup CB who Nabers and Jones embarrassed.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Besides, this is the JETS and the dumpster fire this org has been and will always be.
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
It may sound personal because this gets thrown in our faces every time a legitimate performance-based criticism is launched at Jones.
I don't care that he works his tail off. That's a bar that virtually every player in the NFL clears. Even the guys who make it look easy work insanely hard, with very few exceptions.
Patrick Mahomes works hard. Josh Allen works hard. Daniel Jones "working his tail off" is not an accomplishment worthy of praise. It's a prerequisite for the career path he's chosen, for which he has been handsomely compensated.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
If DJ sucked (and he may), you’d expect the other professionals who’s careers depend on him playing well to start leaking or evenly openly challenging the decisions to keep and play DJ.
But that doesn’t happen. It seems like every single one of his teammates love and respect him.
The irony, with Slayton at least, is that 86 seems rather disappointed with his contract but doesn't realize how DJ is part of the reason why he isn't getting more money.
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
The second half Miracle in the Desert last year in Glendale..?
Who saw that coming after his miserable first half.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
You go back and watch the practice videos, you don't see that at all.
And now we get even more color - the Jets dropped into umbrella coverage and DJ checks down, and the mouth-breathers scream dink n dunk.
Throw it DEEP! EXPLOSIVE PLAYZ!!!!!
If I could physically remove the Z key from your keyboard and replace it with an actual sense of humor, I would move heaven and earth to do so.
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.