Went through an entire offseason after seeing the performance after the contract, another neck injury and an acl tear for good measure, and decided that doing this again (this time with Drew Lock as backup instead of Taylor) is a good plan.
Went through an entire offseason after seeing the performance after the contract, another neck injury and an acl tear for good measure, and decided that doing this again (this time with Drew Lock as backup instead of Taylor) is a good plan.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Tyrod Taylor has a worse injury history than Jones.
"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
It may sound personal because this gets thrown in our faces every time a legitimate performance-based criticism is launched at Jones.
I don't care that he works his tail off. That's a bar that virtually every player in the NFL clears. Even the guys who make it look easy work insanely hard, with very few exceptions.
Patrick Mahomes works hard. Josh Allen works hard. Daniel Jones "working his tail off" is not an accomplishment worthy of praise. It's a prerequisite for the career path he's chosen, for which he has been handsomely compensated.
Yep. And to add to that, there are hundreds of guys who are about to get cut who work their tail off. Many of them will not earn any significant money in the NFL and will have to get real jobs. Nobody really cares about them. There will be no spirited online defense for them. Many of these guys will work harder at football than any of us will work at anything in our lives. And they will just disappear from the game.
I'm sure guys like that have their own perspective on a guy like Jones, set on $$ for generations, being constantly praised and rewarded for "being a hard worker".
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
It’s funny, we hear that Jones is recovering from a brutal injury and hasn’t played football in x amount of days, when Richardson hasn’t played in longer.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.
Eli also had his fair share of head scratching plays (throwing a left handed interception against Titans, the slide fumble against the Eagles, The throw away that gave Dallas time to come back on Monday night, etc). People pissed on him then. I loved the guy and named my dog after him.
Great to see those who had a tough path for whatever the reason and find a way to reach a good spot. When you face other tough spots you are better prepared to deal with them. Pulling for him and I hope the variables around significantly improve to give him the best chance.
They did player vote in 2017 and they voted Eli to be "most overrated".
Andrew Luck came in 2nd which is really odd because he was still great, and young, to boot. Some NFL players are fucking weird. https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/253203/qb-confidential-tom-brady-talks-trash-eli-manning-overrated-joe-flacco-living-off-super-bowl-win - ( New Window )
Some people are just haters and jealous. Athletes are no different.
Is the key part to me. If the Giants show an ability to run the ball effectively - which they have not done in a long time - that creates opportunities in the passing game.
Bingo - I think a lot of people are commenting based on pre-determined Daniel Jones opinions, without actually reading the story. Slayton simply made a basic point that the Jets were taking away the deep ball, so ripping him for only throwing underneath was missing the mark
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
It’s funny, we hear that Jones is recovering from a brutal injury and hasn’t played football in x amount of days, when Richardson hasn’t played in longer.
His point wasn't that Richardson made a good or bad play, he was commenting on the media and fan response to his play. They focused on Richardson's one good play, while the focus is always on any Jones' bad.
Jones has played 60. Jones shouldn’t be making the mistakes he’s getting criticized for in year 6 as consistently as he does.
The pick 6 play is something he’s done done multiple times, including the Tampa game a couple years ago. Acting like Jones is getting criticized for one bad play and not a culmination of bad play over 5 years is disingenuous.
When you’ve played 60 games in the NFL a couple of good plays don’t overshadow rookie mistakes.
RE: RE: Can anyone name Daniel Jones last good start?
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
RE: RE: RE: Can anyone name Daniel Jones last good start?
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Once you realize it's the same handful of guys over and over again, it becomes pretty funny. Let them circle-jerk and just leave it alone.
His point wasn't that Richardson made a good or bad play, he was commenting on the media and fan response to his play. They focused on Richardson's one good play, while the focus is always on any Jones' bad.
Which media? I was watching NFLN last night. And they focused on Richardson's P6 and how he still struggles with accuracy.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I just recently explained to my 16 yr old son the origin of "jumped the shark".
I asked him - you ever hear of the show "Happy Days". No
So, you've probably never heard of the character "Fonzi". Right.
Then within a day or so, my son was watching "Waterboy" and I pointed at Henry Winkler and said - that's Fonzi!
I know, cool story bro.
I agree about the disdain. We'll find out on Sept 8 if the Jones who took us to a playoff W in '22 can take another step forward with a decent line and the best WR corps (by far) he's ever had. I know a majority of BBIers think not, but we'll see.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It once took Giants fans flying a banner over the Stadium
I bet the number of posters who would vote "highly likely" to a poll question of "Likelihood Daniel Jones stays healthy and helps the Giants compete for a championship in 2024" -- is fewer than 10.
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
RE: RE: RE: Can anyone name Daniel Jones last good start?
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
A lot of people are assuming Jones is on some upward trajectory. Recent evidence, which I’m not saying is conclusive,points to a decline in his play. He hasn’t played a solid entire game since the wild card win.
Maybe the 2024 edition is awful? Well, an abysmal first quarter in a low pressure preseason game isn’t reassuring.
In sum, he’s playing notably worse than say in early 2022 or even early in 2021. No sign of an upward trajectory.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Great post and I like your reasoning and intelligence.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
You have been one of the most vocal proponents for DeVito starting over Jones. So, respectfully, put a sock in it.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Once you realize it's the same handful of guys over and over again, it becomes pretty funny. Let them circle-jerk and just leave it alone.
There is definitely a circle-jerk going on, but it's not where you think it is.
Gives up a sack on a big third down in a couple of weeks, is he going to be immune from criticism? Are there going to be posters saying “stop criticizing Neal so much?”
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
Like you whining about other posters?
The same thing is said over and over because the same things are happening over and over. The Giants keep making the same mistakes, playing lousy football, and losing games.
You're getting angry at a weatherman in Phoenix telling you it's going to be sunny.
came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
Jones is welcome to start padding his stats similarly any time.
As everyone has said, he has no more excuses. He has Nabers. He has Hyatt, he has Slayton. He has an improved o-line and young, athletic RB's. Daboll has learned from his coaching mistakes. Excuses are done for everyone.
We need to take other teams comments with a grain of salt and just trust our own eyes. To date, Jones hasn't played well consistently enough to merit any leeway in situations like this, he's going to get criticized until he plays better consistently.
So 1 of 2 scenarios will happen:
1 - He plays well this year, Sauce and many others counting him out are proven wrong, we have a QB and can continue building the rest of our team
2 - He doesn't play well, people like Sauce are proven correct, we replace him next year
There's no in between here. The media and other players aren't going to get together and say "lets take it easy on Daniel". He needs to shut them up with his play, no other way around it. As fans, we need to understand this and not get excited when someone runs their mouth.
That the conversation will improve once the games start. It's been a long year of the same things being said around and around. It's gonna be refreshing having new observations to respond to. The question is, if it doesn't jive with positions people have already dug themselves into, what then, more spin? Most likely.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Tyrod Taylor has a worse injury history than Jones.
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"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
It may sound personal because this gets thrown in our faces every time a legitimate performance-based criticism is launched at Jones.
I don't care that he works his tail off. That's a bar that virtually every player in the NFL clears. Even the guys who make it look easy work insanely hard, with very few exceptions.
Patrick Mahomes works hard. Josh Allen works hard. Daniel Jones "working his tail off" is not an accomplishment worthy of praise. It's a prerequisite for the career path he's chosen, for which he has been handsomely compensated.
Yep. And to add to that, there are hundreds of guys who are about to get cut who work their tail off. Many of them will not earn any significant money in the NFL and will have to get real jobs. Nobody really cares about them. There will be no spirited online defense for them. Many of these guys will work harder at football than any of us will work at anything in our lives. And they will just disappear from the game.
I'm sure guys like that have their own perspective on a guy like Jones, set on $$ for generations, being constantly praised and rewarded for "being a hard worker".
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
It’s funny, we hear that Jones is recovering from a brutal injury and hasn’t played football in x amount of days, when Richardson hasn’t played in longer.
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.
Eli also had his fair share of head scratching plays (throwing a left handed interception against Titans, the slide fumble against the Eagles, The throw away that gave Dallas time to come back on Monday night, etc). People pissed on him then. I loved the guy and named my dog after him.
Andrew Luck came in 2nd which is really odd because he was still great, and young, to boot. Some NFL players are fucking weird.
https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/253203/qb-confidential-tom-brady-talks-trash-eli-manning-overrated-joe-flacco-living-off-super-bowl-win - ( New Window )
Andrew Luck came in 2nd which is really odd because he was still great, and young, to boot. Some NFL players are fucking weird. https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/253203/qb-confidential-tom-brady-talks-trash-eli-manning-overrated-joe-flacco-living-off-super-bowl-win - ( New Window )
Some people are just haters and jealous. Athletes are no different.
When a below-average player at his position is given a $40M/year contract, other talented players who make far less money, are going to be critical.
Bingo - I think a lot of people are commenting based on pre-determined Daniel Jones opinions, without actually reading the story. Slayton simply made a basic point that the Jets were taking away the deep ball, so ripping him for only throwing underneath was missing the mark
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
It’s funny, we hear that Jones is recovering from a brutal injury and hasn’t played football in x amount of days, when Richardson hasn’t played in longer.
His point wasn't that Richardson made a good or bad play, he was commenting on the media and fan response to his play. They focused on Richardson's one good play, while the focus is always on any Jones' bad.
The pick 6 play is something he’s done done multiple times, including the Tampa game a couple years ago. Acting like Jones is getting criticized for one bad play and not a culmination of bad play over 5 years is disingenuous.
When you’ve played 60 games in the NFL a couple of good plays don’t overshadow rookie mistakes.
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Preseason, regular season or post-season?
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
The second half Miracle in the Desert last year in Glendale..?
Who saw that coming after his miserable first half.
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
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Preseason, regular season or post-season?
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
The second half Miracle in the Desert last year in Glendale..?
Who saw that coming after his miserable first half.
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
Now lets try how many bad starts Jones has had since this September 17, 2023 start vs the Cardinals?
He has had 4 starts in regular season and 1 preseason game?
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
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Preseason, regular season or post-season?
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
The second half Miracle in the Desert last year in Glendale..?
Who saw that coming after his miserable first half.
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
Who is curious? I'll bet everyone on this site knows why there is doubt.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Once you realize it's the same handful of guys over and over again, it becomes pretty funny. Let them circle-jerk and just leave it alone.
His point wasn't that Richardson made a good or bad play, he was commenting on the media and fan response to his play. They focused on Richardson's one good play, while the focus is always on any Jones' bad.
Which media? I was watching NFLN last night. And they focused on Richardson's P6 and how he still struggles with accuracy.
One day I hope he gets to play with a good quarterback. He can't do it ALONZE.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I just recently explained to my 16 yr old son the origin of "jumped the shark".
I asked him - you ever hear of the show "Happy Days". No
So, you've probably never heard of the character "Fonzi". Right.
Then within a day or so, my son was watching "Waterboy" and I pointed at Henry Winkler and said - that's Fonzi!
I know, cool story bro.
I agree about the disdain. We'll find out on Sept 8 if the Jones who took us to a playoff W in '22 can take another step forward with a decent line and the best WR corps (by far) he's ever had. I know a majority of BBIers think not, but we'll see.
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
Couldn’t have said it better.
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It once took Giants fans flying a banner over the Stadium
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
A lot of people are assuming Jones is on some upward trajectory. Recent evidence, which I’m not saying is conclusive,points to a decline in his play. He hasn’t played a solid entire game since the wild card win.
Maybe the 2024 edition is awful? Well, an abysmal first quarter in a low pressure preseason game isn’t reassuring.
In sum, he’s playing notably worse than say in early 2022 or even early in 2021. No sign of an upward trajectory.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Great post and I like your reasoning and intelligence.
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
You have been one of the most vocal proponents for DeVito starting over Jones. So, respectfully, put a sock in it.
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1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
The "clownshow" pic worked...
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My turn to vent….
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Once you realize it's the same handful of guys over and over again, it becomes pretty funny. Let them circle-jerk and just leave it alone.
There is definitely a circle-jerk going on, but it's not where you think it is.
In related news, wash your hands.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
there it is...
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makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
Jones is welcome to start padding his stats similarly any time.
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makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
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makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
Like you whining about other posters?
The same thing is said over and over because the same things are happening over and over. The Giants keep making the same mistakes, playing lousy football, and losing games.
You're getting angry at a weatherman in Phoenix telling you it's going to be sunny.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
Jones is welcome to start padding his stats similarly any time.
So 1 of 2 scenarios will happen:
1 - He plays well this year, Sauce and many others counting him out are proven wrong, we have a QB and can continue building the rest of our team
2 - He doesn't play well, people like Sauce are proven correct, we replace him next year
There's no in between here. The media and other players aren't going to get together and say "lets take it easy on Daniel". He needs to shut them up with his play, no other way around it. As fans, we need to understand this and not get excited when someone runs their mouth.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
That was 5 years ago.