Over retiring a number.. unless that player is the on the level of an LT
I agree
Great, except for the pesky little fact that people play in different eras. Your LT is not someone else's, as Eric stated above. All or none. And I'm not a fan of retiring numbers but once you've gone there ...stick with it or don't
That since the NFL changed the jersey numbering system after the 2020 season, more and more players are preferring the single digit numbers they wore in college.
The #1 jersey usually represents the team’s #1 receiver. It can also mean the team’s #1 cornerback. This is why a ton of players are using #1 like Jamarr Chase, Stefon Diggs, Sauce Gardner, and Jaylon Johnson.
numbers aren't that big of a deal to me, but I also agree that unretiring all numbers would make the most sense from here on out if the surviving players agreed. The Ring of Honor fulfills the same purpose and the players will still be recognized by the number they played with.
I like Nabers so far and hope that he doesn't bust when the real games begin.
I still think Jones should give up #8 in hopes of changing his luck.
Numbers should be retired for players like Rosey Brown, LT, Eli Manning, Michael Strahan. Guys that play here for 12+ years wearing the same number & win multiple titles. I know Rosey didn't win multiple titles, but the dude was a 9 time All-Pro & 9 time Pro Bowler.
Rosters are getting bigger and bigger. It's going to be impossible to keep all numbers retired.
RE: I know... old man here who says get off my lawn
but not crazy about unretiring numbers unless you do them all.
My thought for a while has been to unretire all numbers and have them on the ring of honor; and not reassign ring of honor numbers as long as that player is alive. I think that respects the intent and something of the tradition of a retired number.
RE: I know... old man here who says get off my lawn
"Ray Flaherty Jr. officially on Wednesday gave his blessings to Mara and the franchise, which intends to return his father’s No. 1 to retirement again once Nabers’ Giants career ends. “Re-retired if you will,” Flaherty Jr. told the Post. " Number will be re-retired when Nabers is no longer with Giants - ( New Window )
Eh, I don't know. I know who Flaherty is because a buddy of mine went to 'Zaga & he's in their sports Hall of Fame. When I visited him in college, that's how I learned of him.
I doubt most Giant fans know who Flaherty is or even his #. I sure AF didn't know the latter.
It's not that. Usually when a player jersey number is retired, like Simms or LT, there is a ceremony with the owner saying "no Giant will ever wear this number again."
Liar, liar pants on fire.
100 years from now, fans will be saying, "I've never heard of Simms. Big deal."
If you do it for one, you should do it for all.
I agree with this. I think this is pretty cheesy from everyone involved.
"Ray Flaherty Jr. officially on Wednesday gave his blessings to Mara and the franchise, which intends to return his father’s No. 1 to retirement again once Nabers’ Giants career ends. “Re-retired if you will,” Flaherty Jr. told the Post. " Number will be re-retired when Nabers is no longer with Giants - ( New Window )
Not to think too far ahead - but what if Nabers winds up having a HOF-worthy career with the Giants, finishing atop the team record books in multiple receiving categories - with a couple Super Bowl rings and other accolades?
Basically, what if he winds up being the Eli Manning of New York Giants receivers? Who gets to keep the number?
But in this case the guy played 90 years ago. The number has been retired long enough. Same for #4 and #7.
I agree, they should pick amount of years, a little earlier than 90 in my opinion. Make it a celebration and do it when people who watch that player are old men and let those fans reminace in the greatness, and get those numbers back in cycle.
I was was a little kid watching Taylor play and helped make me a giants fan. It would be cool if I lived to my late 80s and got to see the celebration of his unretired number. The people who are younger than me will get to see Eli and Strahan number go back in.
Now that we are finally doing it, it has to go to a potentially worthy candidate. Nabers was drafted to be the new face of the franchise. If not him then who?
How many of the people using this site, have more then video replays of players from the 60's and famous pictures and stories from fmilies of these original retired numbers.
The family was in favor of it. I recall reading about Flaherty in a historical Giants book I still have, but thats it.
the majority of fans have to lookup the player on Google just to know who he is, then maybe it is time to move that player's number to the "Ring of Fame" and make the number available again.
Eh, I don't know. I know who Flaherty is because a buddy of mine went to 'Zaga & he's in their sports Hall of Fame. When I visited him in college, that's how I learned of him.
I doubt most Giant fans know who Flaherty is or even his #. I sure AF didn't know the latter.
It's not that. Usually when a player jersey number is retired, like Simms or LT, there is a ceremony with the owner saying "no Giant will ever wear this number again."
Liar, liar pants on fire.
100 years from now, fans will be saying, "I've never heard of Simms. Big deal."
If you do it for one, you should do it for all.
Exactly, You've hit the nail on the head
This isn't that kind of situation. The family "green-lighted" him getting the number. Maybe some families wouldn't want to do that.
Eh, I don't know. I know who Flaherty is because a buddy of mine went to 'Zaga & he's in their sports Hall of Fame. When I visited him in college, that's how I learned of him.
I doubt most Giant fans know who Flaherty is or even his #. I sure AF didn't know the latter.
It's not that. Usually when a player jersey number is retired, like Simms or LT, there is a ceremony with the owner saying "no Giant will ever wear this number again."
Liar, liar pants on fire.
100 years from now, fans will be saying, "I've never heard of Simms. Big deal."
If you do it for one, you should do it for all.
I agree with this. I think this is pretty cheesy from everyone involved.
Also did you have a problem when the Broncos did it for Peyton Manning?
I'm gonna be honest, i dont think theres any way to understand Ray Flaherty having his number retired unless you lived in that era. Its so long ago that just looking at his biography does not tell a story thst you would think justifies it.
The problem isn’t Nabers asking for a retired number
The problem is John Mara allowing it and calling the family personally about it.
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
If he had asked for #11, would they give it to him?
A generation of Giants fans have a connection to Simms. I don't think there are many people alive that a connection with Flaherty.
And 50 years from now no one will have a connection to Simms. Does the number stay retired or not?
Look none of this is the end of the world. It's just kind of lame. It's lame of the Giants to unretire the number, and it's lame of Nabers to still want the number even though he knew it was retired. It's just not a good look.
Whatever.
RE: I know... old man here who says get off my lawn
but not crazy about unretiring numbers unless you do them all.
Eric, I don't understand. The family gave their blessing. You think that makes it ok to just unretire everyone's jersey? If the family is fine with it, why would you or I even care?
The problem is John Mara allowing it and calling the family personally about it.
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
Of course its favoritism. Who ever said everyone is treated the same in sports? Everyone understands a different standard exists for first round draft picks than a 6th round pick. The heirarchy of sports is talent-based.
The next time the Giants retire a number, what will be the big deal?
And 50 years from now no one will have a connection to Simms. Does the number stay retired or not?
Look none of this is the end of the world. It's just kind of lame. It's lame of the Giants to unretire the number, and it's lame of Nabers to still want the number even though he knew it was retired. It's just not a good look.
Whatever.
It's a fair point, but at least 50 years from now people will have video of Simms winning Super Bowl 21 against the Broncos. We don't have anything for Flaherty.
Also did you have a problem when the Broncos did it for Peyton Manning?
I had no idea they had. If that's true, then yeah it's lame from the Broncos and from Peyton.
Peyton Manning is a very different scenario. Manning was already a first ballot Hall of Famer and considered one of the best QBs of all time when that occurred. He had already wore #18 while accomplishing all of that.
Malik Nabers hasn’t caught an NFL pass for the NY Giants.
And it was already a story about #18 before Manning signed with Denver. Tripucka wanted him to wear #18 as a result and Manning did not want to wear and even called Tripucka to tell him he didn’t want to wear it.
“When Peyton Manning called up Frank Tripucka in the spring of 2012, he told the Broncos' first franchise quarterback that he didn't want to wear No. 18, the number Manning had worn for 14 seasons in Indianapolis. The number he had as he won four NFL MVPs and one Super Bowl.
Out of respect for the game and its former players, Manning believed Tripucka's retired Denver Broncos No. 18 jersey should remain out of circulation - no matter what Manning had done as a quarterback with that number.
But the original No. 18 insisted - there was a short list of players he'd consider to wear his number and the former Colts quarterback who would now be on his favorite team was at the top.
"I'd be honored. You're my kind of quarterback, and I insist you wear it," recalled Chris Tripucka of his father's response to Manning.
But there was one caveat.
"Peyton, being the guy he is, asked my dad if there was anything he could do to repay him for using the No. 18," said Chris, the youngest of seven Tripucka children who was a wide receiver at Boston College and is now father to two football stars of his own - Shane and Nicholas (also a No. 18).
His father's request for a championship was exactly what you'd expect from an NFL quarterback
"Yeah, go out and win a Super Bowl for me."
So Manning did.”
"It really goes against everything I believe in being a guy who appreciates the history of football and I believe when a number is retired it should stay retired; but in talking to Frank Tripucka, I feel he really wants me to wear his number," Manning said at his introductory press conference. "It was a very humbling conversation and I am honored to wear his number, being another quarterback for the Denver Broncos as Mr. Tripucka was back years ago as the first quarterback to play here. It truly is an honor for me and I'm really following his wishes to wear it because that's what he wants me to do and I'm honored to do that."
It’s a very different situation
RE: RE: The problem isn’t Nabers asking for a retired number
The problem is John Mara allowing it and calling the family personally about it.
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
Of course its favoritism. Who ever said everyone is treated the same in sports? Everyone understands a different standard exists for first round draft picks than a 6th round pick. The heirarchy of sports is talent-based.
Ray Flaherty is in the Hall of Fame. Malik Nabers hasn't even played a down in the NFL, and I'd bet doesn't ever become a Hall of Famer.
The Giants just unretired a Hall of Fame player's number for a rookie who's never done a thing. It's just not a good look.
RE: The problem isn’t Nabers asking for a retired number
The problem is John Mara allowing it and calling the family personally about it.
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
They did tell Nabers no and Nabers dropped it and dint ask for it..
Even when they rbought him into Mara's office to tell him, he told them he didnt want to bother the family with it and push it but Mara said the family gave their blessing...
and a big reason the family said yes was because everyone was going to talk about Flaherty again and a whole generation of fans were going to learn about him becaus eof this...
You can spin negatively all you want but Nabers didnt push for it and the family is happy to un retire the number
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Over retiring a number.. unless that player is the on the level of an LT
I agree
Great, except for the pesky little fact that people play in different eras. Your LT is not someone else's, as Eric stated above. All or none. And I'm not a fan of retiring numbers but once you've gone there ...stick with it or don't
If his family ok'd it, we should all be fine with it.
The #1 jersey usually represents the team’s #1 receiver. It can also mean the team’s #1 cornerback. This is why a ton of players are using #1 like Jamarr Chase, Stefon Diggs, Sauce Gardner, and Jaylon Johnson.
If his family ok'd it, we should all be fine with it.
And 17…
I like Nabers so far and hope that he doesn't bust when the real games begin.
Numbers should be retired for players like Rosey Brown, LT, Eli Manning, Michael Strahan. Guys that play here for 12+ years wearing the same number & win multiple titles. I know Rosey didn't win multiple titles, but the dude was a 9 time All-Pro & 9 time Pro Bowler.
Rosters are getting bigger and bigger. It's going to be impossible to keep all numbers retired.
My thought for a while has been to unretire all numbers and have them on the ring of honor; and not reassign ring of honor numbers as long as that player is alive. I think that respects the intent and something of the tradition of a retired number.
100% agreed
LFG!!!
Number will be re-retired when Nabers is no longer with Giants - ( New Window )
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Eh, I don't know. I know who Flaherty is because a buddy of mine went to 'Zaga & he's in their sports Hall of Fame. When I visited him in college, that's how I learned of him.
I doubt most Giant fans know who Flaherty is or even his #. I sure AF didn't know the latter.
It's not that. Usually when a player jersey number is retired, like Simms or LT, there is a ceremony with the owner saying "no Giant will ever wear this number again."
Liar, liar pants on fire.
100 years from now, fans will be saying, "I've never heard of Simms. Big deal."
If you do it for one, you should do it for all.
I agree with this. I think this is pretty cheesy from everyone involved.
I will say, that he wore three numbers in six years seems like a relevant bit of data.
Flaherty seems like the type of player that a team Ring Of Honor was designed to recognize.
7 is Mel Hein, totally different animal. I think 4 was retired because the player was killed in ww2.
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Unretiring one of the many retired numbers is strange though.
I would rather they would retire a number for as long as the player is living, but then make it available again following the players passing.
LT will never die! GRRR!
Not to think too far ahead - but what if Nabers winds up having a HOF-worthy career with the Giants, finishing atop the team record books in multiple receiving categories - with a couple Super Bowl rings and other accolades?
Basically, what if he winds up being the Eli Manning of New York Giants receivers? Who gets to keep the number?
Nabers new number - ( New Window )
Paaaaalease
I agree, they should pick amount of years, a little earlier than 90 in my opinion. Make it a celebration and do it when people who watch that player are old men and let those fans reminace in the greatness, and get those numbers back in cycle.
I was was a little kid watching Taylor play and helped make me a giants fan. It would be cool if I lived to my late 80s and got to see the celebration of his unretired number. The people who are younger than me will get to see Eli and Strahan number go back in.
Now that we are finally doing it, it has to go to a potentially worthy candidate. Nabers was drafted to be the new face of the franchise. If not him then who?
Let's Go Giants, current and past
The family was in favor of it. I recall reading about Flaherty in a historical Giants book I still have, but thats it.
If the family supports it, so should we.
I kid. Lighten up.
lol, I laughed too hard at this. He’s like the Olive Garden of QB’s.
How about #17. Would complete the puzzle.
A generation of Giants fans have a connection to Simms. I don't think there are many people alive that a connection with Flaherty.
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Eh, I don't know. I know who Flaherty is because a buddy of mine went to 'Zaga & he's in their sports Hall of Fame. When I visited him in college, that's how I learned of him.
I doubt most Giant fans know who Flaherty is or even his #. I sure AF didn't know the latter.
It's not that. Usually when a player jersey number is retired, like Simms or LT, there is a ceremony with the owner saying "no Giant will ever wear this number again."
Liar, liar pants on fire.
100 years from now, fans will be saying, "I've never heard of Simms. Big deal."
If you do it for one, you should do it for all.
Exactly, You've hit the nail on the head
This isn't that kind of situation. The family "green-lighted" him getting the number. Maybe some families wouldn't want to do that.
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Eh, I don't know. I know who Flaherty is because a buddy of mine went to 'Zaga & he's in their sports Hall of Fame. When I visited him in college, that's how I learned of him.
I doubt most Giant fans know who Flaherty is or even his #. I sure AF didn't know the latter.
It's not that. Usually when a player jersey number is retired, like Simms or LT, there is a ceremony with the owner saying "no Giant will ever wear this number again."
Liar, liar pants on fire.
100 years from now, fans will be saying, "I've never heard of Simms. Big deal."
If you do it for one, you should do it for all.
I agree with this. I think this is pretty cheesy from everyone involved.
Also did you have a problem when the Broncos did it for Peyton Manning?
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
Get off my lawn, I guess.
I actually agree…
Can’t wait until the NFL allows ads on uniforms…
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If he had asked for #11, would they give it to him?
A generation of Giants fans have a connection to Simms. I don't think there are many people alive that a connection with Flaherty.
And 50 years from now no one will have a connection to Simms. Does the number stay retired or not?
Look none of this is the end of the world. It's just kind of lame. It's lame of the Giants to unretire the number, and it's lame of Nabers to still want the number even though he knew it was retired. It's just not a good look.
Whatever.
Eric, I don't understand. The family gave their blessing. You think that makes it ok to just unretire everyone's jersey? If the family is fine with it, why would you or I even care?
Also did you have a problem when the Broncos did it for Peyton Manning?
I had no idea they had. If that's true, then yeah it's lame from the Broncos and from Peyton.
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
Of course its favoritism. Who ever said everyone is treated the same in sports? Everyone understands a different standard exists for first round draft picks than a 6th round pick. The heirarchy of sports is talent-based.
Look none of this is the end of the world. It's just kind of lame. It's lame of the Giants to unretire the number, and it's lame of Nabers to still want the number even though he knew it was retired. It's just not a good look.
Whatever.
It's a fair point, but at least 50 years from now people will have video of Simms winning Super Bowl 21 against the Broncos. We don't have anything for Flaherty.
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Also did you have a problem when the Broncos did it for Peyton Manning?
I had no idea they had. If that's true, then yeah it's lame from the Broncos and from Peyton.
Peyton Manning is a very different scenario. Manning was already a first ballot Hall of Famer and considered one of the best QBs of all time when that occurred. He had already wore #18 while accomplishing all of that.
Malik Nabers hasn’t caught an NFL pass for the NY Giants.
And it was already a story about #18 before Manning signed with Denver. Tripucka wanted him to wear #18 as a result and Manning did not want to wear and even called Tripucka to tell him he didn’t want to wear it.
“When Peyton Manning called up Frank Tripucka in the spring of 2012, he told the Broncos' first franchise quarterback that he didn't want to wear No. 18, the number Manning had worn for 14 seasons in Indianapolis. The number he had as he won four NFL MVPs and one Super Bowl.
Out of respect for the game and its former players, Manning believed Tripucka's retired Denver Broncos No. 18 jersey should remain out of circulation - no matter what Manning had done as a quarterback with that number.
But the original No. 18 insisted - there was a short list of players he'd consider to wear his number and the former Colts quarterback who would now be on his favorite team was at the top.
"I'd be honored. You're my kind of quarterback, and I insist you wear it," recalled Chris Tripucka of his father's response to Manning.
But there was one caveat.
"Peyton, being the guy he is, asked my dad if there was anything he could do to repay him for using the No. 18," said Chris, the youngest of seven Tripucka children who was a wide receiver at Boston College and is now father to two football stars of his own - Shane and Nicholas (also a No. 18).
His father's request for a championship was exactly what you'd expect from an NFL quarterback
"Yeah, go out and win a Super Bowl for me."
So Manning did.”
"It really goes against everything I believe in being a guy who appreciates the history of football and I believe when a number is retired it should stay retired; but in talking to Frank Tripucka, I feel he really wants me to wear his number," Manning said at his introductory press conference. "It was a very humbling conversation and I am honored to wear his number, being another quarterback for the Denver Broncos as Mr. Tripucka was back years ago as the first quarterback to play here. It truly is an honor for me and I'm really following his wishes to wear it because that's what he wants me to do and I'm honored to do that."
It’s a very different situation
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The problem is John Mara allowing it and calling the family personally about it.
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
Of course its favoritism. Who ever said everyone is treated the same in sports? Everyone understands a different standard exists for first round draft picks than a 6th round pick. The heirarchy of sports is talent-based.
Ray Flaherty is in the Hall of Fame. Malik Nabers hasn't even played a down in the NFL, and I'd bet doesn't ever become a Hall of Famer.
The Giants just unretired a Hall of Fame player's number for a rookie who's never done a thing. It's just not a good look.
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
They did tell Nabers no and Nabers dropped it and dint ask for it..
Even when they rbought him into Mara's office to tell him, he told them he didnt want to bother the family with it and push it but Mara said the family gave their blessing...
and a big reason the family said yes was because everyone was going to talk about Flaherty again and a whole generation of fans were going to learn about him becaus eof this...
You can spin negatively all you want but Nabers didnt push for it and the family is happy to un retire the number