The problem is John Mara allowing it and calling the family personally about it.
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
Of course its favoritism. Who ever said everyone is treated the same in sports? Everyone understands a different standard exists for first round draft picks than a 6th round pick. The heirarchy of sports is talent-based.
Ray Flaherty is in the Hall of Fame. Malik Nabers hasn't even played a down in the NFL, and I'd bet doesn't ever become a Hall of Famer.
The Giants just unretired a Hall of Fame player's number for a rookie who's never done a thing. It's just not a good look.
Or its doing exactly what the family wanted, talking about Ray Flaherty again
Many are, but then there are the Larry Fitzgeralds, Andre Johnsons, Calvin Johnsons that are the atypical non - diva wide receivers. Odunze might join that group.
Wearing number 1 is a Terrell Owens, Odell Beckham, Des Bryant type move.
I hope Nabers on the field performance justifies wearing the number 1.
"No one will wear this number again...for a while."
If you consider 90 freakin years “for awhile” sure, great point. It just won’t feel the same knowing that someone else may wear that jersey just retired a century from now….
Jeezus man, get a grip. There is absolutely no way this actually bothers you in the least. But…you have a bit to play, so here we are.
Many are, but then there are the Larry Fitzgeralds, Andre Johnsons, Calvin Johnsons that are the atypical non - diva wide receivers. Odunze might join that group.
Wearing number 1 is a Terrell Owens, Odell Beckham, Des Bryant type move.
I hope Nabers on the field performance justifies wearing the number 1.
I feel like even when performance does justify it, people will hate it anyway. So its a cant win, you either like it or dont.
Nabers has done jack squat. He better live up to this.
This! Dude better produce at a high level for a long time.
Normally I am a very forward thinking person, but this statement rings true. We have seen plenty of hype flame out in embarrassing ways and also unintentional ways to be fair. Didn't the commanders do this with Haskins?
100 year history of this franchise. You can't live by the past for ever. Always respect the past, at the same time, perhaps its time to start building a bold new era of Giants football.
Just found out the Giants unretired 14 for Y.A Title
The number 14 was retired in honor of Ward Cuff in 1946. Y. A. Tittle requested 14 after the Giants traded for him in 1961, and it was retired a second time in 1964 at the conclusion of Tittle's playing career. The number is now retired in honor of both players. Giants Retired numbers Wikipedia - ( New Window )
The number 14 was retired in honor of Ward Cuff in 1946. Y. A. Tittle requested 14 after the Giants traded for him in 1961, and it was retired a second time in 1964 at the conclusion of Tittle's playing career. The number is now retired in honor of both players. Giants Retired numbers Wikipedia - ( New Window )
I guess I need to remove it from this, right? https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/information-pages/new-york-giants-retired-jersey-numbers/ - ( New Window )
You don't remove it. It would add an additional symbol to indicate it was unretired.
When Nabers is gone, does the # go back to being retired?
I still think this is stupid. Why retire numbers when you just go ahead and unretire them when convenient? Don't retire numbers in the first place. Just have a Giants HoF and keep it lean.
I guess I need to remove it from this, right? https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/information-pages/new-york-giants-retired-jersey-numbers/ - ( New Window )
You don't remove it. It would add an additional symbol to indicate it was unretired.
When Nabers is gone, does the # go back to being retired?
Yes and if Nabers has a HOF type of career he would be added with the Number 1, like the Knicks have done with 15 or Yankees with 8
Nabers has done jack squat. He better live up to this.
To me this means they are already committed to giving him an extension. I mean they really going to unretire a number for 4-5 years to not re-sign the guy?
My grandfather and Ray Flaherty both played for the New York Yankees
Perhaps... just perhaps... Ray Flaherty would mind and his family who have passed.
Also, if the owner of the franchise calls your grand children, what do you expect their response to be?
When you erode what was supposed to be an eternal honor, doesn't the honor lose its meaning?
If you do this, do it with everyone and just use the Ring of Honor.
Anything else is half-assing it and disrespectful.
We dont have to manufacture a scenario where they felt obligated to say yes just to make it look bad. We have no idea how they felt about it but they are the deciders and putting feelings in their mouths for them is also disrespectful.
RE: Just found out the Giants unretired 14 for Y.A Title
The number 14 was retired in honor of Ward Cuff in 1946. Y. A. Tittle requested 14 after the Giants traded for him in 1961, and it was retired a second time in 1964 at the conclusion of Tittle's playing career. The number is now retired in honor of both players. Giants Retired numbers Wikipedia - ( New Window )
So there's precedent for it and the family is ok with it. Sounds like a non-issue to me.
Hopefully #1 ends up as the second doubly retired number!
The number 14 was retired in honor of Ward Cuff in 1946. Y. A. Tittle requested 14 after the Giants traded for him in 1961, and it was retired a second time in 1964 at the conclusion of Tittle's playing career. The number is now retired in honor of both players. Giants Retired numbers Wikipedia - ( New Window )
So there's precedent for it and the family is ok with it. Sounds like a non-issue to me.
Hopefully #1 ends up as the second doubly retired number!
I need someone to contextualize how he became a hall of famer. I dont know anything about him and it would be interesting to learn but there is so little information from back then.
RE: We should really be talking more about Flaherty
I need someone to contextualize how he became a hall of famer. I dont know anything about him and it would be interesting to learn but there is so little information from back then.
If you want a general overview, BBI is a wonderful resource...
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Right End – Ray Flaherty (1929, ‘31-35) Player/Assistant Coach (1935)
HOF Class of 1976
#1 retired 1935
First-Team All-Pro: 1929, ‘32
The Giants first team captain. Led the NFL in receptions, yards, and touchdown receptions in 1932, the first year statistics were officially recorded. Also tallied the most TD receptions in 1929. Had very good speed and made big plays. An excellent defensive player. Suggested the Giants switch to sneakers during the 1934 NFL Championship Game. Served double-duty as player/coach for two games during the 1933 preseason while Steve Owen tended to his wife with a terminal illness, and was Owen’s first assistant coach when he served as a player/coach for the full 1935 season. Giants team captain 1933-1935. His #1 was the first to be retired in American professional sports.
Always thought that a retired number should last until the player passes away then it should be reintroduce in a cermony. I also like how dallas treats its number 88 for their teams star reciever it builds tradition while also not binding your teams with more and more numbers retired
If I owned a franchise, my rule for retired numbers would be
the number shall remain retired until the last of these:
* 1 year after the player's death
* 1 year after his spouse's death
* 1 year after the death of his last surviving child
The logic behind the 1-year rule is that it reflects sort of a period of mourning. With this, you could balance the need for numbers with the comfort that the player, his spouse, or his children wouldn't have to face the prospect of seeing someone else play with his number.
I kid. Lighten up.
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The problem is John Mara allowing it and calling the family personally about it.
This is once again favoritism. Does anyone really believe that if our say 6th round draft choice asked for #1 that John Mara would have called the family and asked for it?
You have a retired number, well then you have a retired number. It shouldn’t be about who asks for it.
It also means that all along the way no one wanted to tell Nabers no because it’s not like he went up and first asked John Mara for #1. So how did it even get to John Mara that Malik Nabers wanted #1?
Of course its favoritism. Who ever said everyone is treated the same in sports? Everyone understands a different standard exists for first round draft picks than a 6th round pick. The heirarchy of sports is talent-based.
Ray Flaherty is in the Hall of Fame. Malik Nabers hasn't even played a down in the NFL, and I'd bet doesn't ever become a Hall of Famer.
The Giants just unretired a Hall of Fame player's number for a rookie who's never done a thing. It's just not a good look.
Or its doing exactly what the family wanted, talking about Ray Flaherty again
Wearing number 1 is a Terrell Owens, Odell Beckham, Des Bryant type move.
I hope Nabers on the field performance justifies wearing the number 1.
This! Dude better produce at a high level for a long time.
If you consider 90 freakin years “for awhile” sure, great point. It just won’t feel the same knowing that someone else may wear that jersey just retired a century from now….
Jeezus man, get a grip. There is absolutely no way this actually bothers you in the least. But…you have a bit to play, so here we are.
Wearing number 1 is a Terrell Owens, Odell Beckham, Des Bryant type move.
I hope Nabers on the field performance justifies wearing the number 1.
I feel like even when performance does justify it, people will hate it anyway. So its a cant win, you either like it or dont.
Most people don't know Flaherty. Most people don't even know this his #. Most people don't even know this # was retired.
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Nabers has done jack squat. He better live up to this.
This! Dude better produce at a high level for a long time.
Normally I am a very forward thinking person, but this statement rings true. We have seen plenty of hype flame out in embarrassing ways and also unintentional ways to be fair. Didn't the commanders do this with Haskins?
Giants Retired numbers Wikipedia - ( New Window )
Was just coming to post this
I got my 100 seasons patch already now waiting for my elite Nabers Legacy jersey. Hope it gets here before the season 🙏🏻
This isn't exactly the Yankees giving out #4
This isn't exactly the Yankees giving out #4
I dont think people in 1935 could conceive of what football would become. It could have been perfectly justifiable at the time.
They said no at first and then thought about it and called Mara to give pwrmission
When Nabers is gone, does the # go back to being retired?
I still think this is stupid. Why retire numbers when you just go ahead and unretire them when convenient? Don't retire numbers in the first place. Just have a Giants HoF and keep it lean.
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I guess I need to remove it from this, right? https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/information-pages/new-york-giants-retired-jersey-numbers/ - ( New Window )
You don't remove it. It would add an additional symbol to indicate it was unretired.
When Nabers is gone, does the # go back to being retired?
Yes and if Nabers has a HOF type of career he would be added with the Number 1, like the Knicks have done with 15 or Yankees with 8
To me this means they are already committed to giving him an extension. I mean they really going to unretire a number for 4-5 years to not re-sign the guy?
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Also, if the owner of the franchise calls your grand children, what do you expect their response to be?
When you erode what was supposed to be an eternal honor, doesn't the honor lose its meaning?
If you do this, do it with everyone and just use the Ring of Honor.
Anything else is half-assing it and disrespectful.
Love this, excellent
Also, if the owner of the franchise calls your grand children, what do you expect their response to be?
When you erode what was supposed to be an eternal honor, doesn't the honor lose its meaning?
If you do this, do it with everyone and just use the Ring of Honor.
Anything else is half-assing it and disrespectful.
I'm all for the Giants just using the Ring of Honor.. wish the Yanks would do the same with Monument Park too
Also, if the owner of the franchise calls your grand children, what do you expect their response to be?
When you erode what was supposed to be an eternal honor, doesn't the honor lose its meaning?
If you do this, do it with everyone and just use the Ring of Honor.
Anything else is half-assing it and disrespectful.
We dont have to manufacture a scenario where they felt obligated to say yes just to make it look bad. We have no idea how they felt about it but they are the deciders and putting feelings in their mouths for them is also disrespectful.
So there's precedent for it and the family is ok with it. Sounds like a non-issue to me.
Hopefully #1 ends up as the second doubly retired number!
However, the reality that the team was running out of numbers.
Having 10 numbers retired was just out of control.
1,4,7, 10, 11, 14, 16, 32, 40, 42, 50, 56, 92
There were 13 numbers that are retired, including 1. That’s a lot!
I could understand a player that played their whole career here and had a 10+ year career ( Hein, Simms, Gifford, Taylor, Strahan ).
Should be more numbers available.
For God sales, the NFL let “ 0 “ become a number again!
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The number 14 was retired in honor of Ward Cuff in 1946. Y. A. Tittle requested 14 after the Giants traded for him in 1961, and it was retired a second time in 1964 at the conclusion of Tittle's playing career. The number is now retired in honor of both players. Giants Retired numbers Wikipedia - ( New Window )
So there's precedent for it and the family is ok with it. Sounds like a non-issue to me.
Hopefully #1 ends up as the second doubly retired number!
Well there ya go.
I'd call that precedent.
I hope he plays like 56.
If you want a general overview, BBI is a wonderful resource...
Right End – Ray Flaherty (1929, ‘31-35) Player/Assistant Coach (1935)
HOF Class of 1976
#1 retired 1935
First-Team All-Pro: 1929, ‘32
The Giants first team captain. Led the NFL in receptions, yards, and touchdown receptions in 1932, the first year statistics were officially recorded. Also tallied the most TD receptions in 1929. Had very good speed and made big plays. An excellent defensive player. Suggested the Giants switch to sneakers during the 1934 NFL Championship Game. Served double-duty as player/coach for two games during the 1933 preseason while Steve Owen tended to his wife with a terminal illness, and was Owen’s first assistant coach when he served as a player/coach for the full 1935 season. Giants team captain 1933-1935. His #1 was the first to be retired in American professional sports.
New York Giants All-Time Team - ( New Window )
If you have a great first 4 years then you have earned the privilege to wear that jersey. And do so as long as you produce.
So if a player ever plays as well as LT then after 4 years let him wear 56. He has earned it.
This way a number means a high level of play.
1929
1930
1933
1934
Y A guy still on this team
If you have a great first 4 years then you have earned the privilege to wear that jersey. And do so as long as you produce.
So if a player ever plays as well as LT then after 4 years let him wear 56. He has earned it.
This way a number means a high level of play.
Wont be popular here but the cowboys do this with certain numbers, such as Irvin's number. Not retired, used as an honor.
1929
1930
1933
1934
Outstanding, thanks
* 1 year after the player's death
* 1 year after his spouse's death
* 1 year after the death of his last surviving child
The logic behind the 1-year rule is that it reflects sort of a period of mourning. With this, you could balance the need for numbers with the comfort that the player, his spouse, or his children wouldn't have to face the prospect of seeing someone else play with his number.