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In comment 16590373 DefenseWins said:
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I would be frustrated with the question too. Show me an interview with an NFL executive who has provided an estimated win total before the season.
It is just a stupid question and quite honestly a stupid take on Schoen's reaction.
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No, plus 10.
From what I can tell, the question wasn't about a win total. It was about what constitutes significant improvement. Simplistic minds automatically go to W-L. That's what scares me most about the answer.
But it's hard to evade the fact that more wins is how "significant improvement" of a team is ultimately measured in this league.
I can't help but feel this way as well, but if that's true, he deserves to get canned for stupidity. There's just no way to game out the choices Schoen made this last offseason and for him expect any kind of job security.
If they lose a bunch of games, he's out.
If they're middling or slightly worse, he's still probably out because there will be pressure for regime change again to align the new potential QB with GM and head coach. In other words, why risk switching coach and GM again mid rookie contract like we did with Jones?
If they do the miraculous and win with a below average QB, good luck drafting a QB you like if you weren't sold on taking QBs who went 8, 10, and 12 when you were picking 6th.
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In comment 16590373 DefenseWins said:
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I would be frustrated with the question too. Show me an interview with an NFL executive who has provided an estimated win total before the season.
It is just a stupid question and quite honestly a stupid take on Schoen's reaction.
+1
No, plus 10.
From what I can tell, the question wasn't about a win total. It was about what constitutes significant improvement. Simplistic minds automatically go to W-L. That's what scares me most about the answer.
The reporter never asked for a win total, he merely asked what metric Schoen used to determine improvement. It was a perfectly reasonable question, but some want to jump on the media any chance they get. I get it, they often deserve that, but if Schoen is going to talk about improvement, it is more than fair to ask him how he measures that.
Hopefully the team has a lot of metrics they look at besides wins. Pressure rate, pressure rate allowed, number of big plays, number of turnover worthy plays....hopefully a lot of cool stuff that I don't even know about.
This is how you measure and deliver success in an organization. No business, other than the underpants gnomes, uses profit as their one and only metric. They manage to much more specific metrics and those metrics lead to profit.
This question should be a layup for any executive. We have 5 key metrics at the organizational level, below those we have numerous more discrete operational metrics. It should not be hard to rattle off stuff like that (or at least a vague explanation). And it's not like he'd be giving away trade secrets
It’s what I’d expect
He’s under a lot of pressure - as he should be.
Defensive to the media doesn't usually end well in NY.
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In comment 16590698 HBart said:
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In comment 16590373 DefenseWins said:
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I would be frustrated with the question too. Show me an interview with an NFL executive who has provided an estimated win total before the season.
It is just a stupid question and quite honestly a stupid take on Schoen's reaction.
+1
No, plus 10.
From what I can tell, the question wasn't about a win total. It was about what constitutes significant improvement. Simplistic minds automatically go to W-L. That's what scares me most about the answer.
The reporter never asked for a win total, he merely asked what metric Schoen used to determine improvement. It was a perfectly reasonable question, but some want to jump on the media any chance they get. I get it, they often deserve that, but if Schoen is going to talk about improvement, it is more than fair to ask him how he measures that.
It was a dumb question. Regardless, big deal. That's the main point. That the OP's assertion is ludicrous.
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In comment 16590814 fkap said:
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In comment 16590698 HBart said:
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In comment 16590373 DefenseWins said:
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I would be frustrated with the question too. Show me an interview with an NFL executive who has provided an estimated win total before the season.
It is just a stupid question and quite honestly a stupid take on Schoen's reaction.
+1
No, plus 10.
From what I can tell, the question wasn't about a win total. It was about what constitutes significant improvement. Simplistic minds automatically go to W-L. That's what scares me most about the answer.
The reporter never asked for a win total, he merely asked what metric Schoen used to determine improvement. It was a perfectly reasonable question, but some want to jump on the media any chance they get. I get it, they often deserve that, but if Schoen is going to talk about improvement, it is more than fair to ask him how he measures that.
It was a dumb question. Regardless, big deal. That's the main point. That the OP's assertion is ludicrous.
How was it a ‘dumb question’?
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It was a dumb question. Regardless, big deal. That's the main point. That the OP's assertion is ludicrous.
How was it a ‘dumb question’?
Because the answer is obvious, and a media savvy guy like Schoen isn't going to fall into such an obvious trap.
‘John Mara talked earlier to us in camp, I want to see significant improvement. Joe, I know you’re not going to say a win total. How do you measure significant improvement?’
That’s not a dumb question at all.
Is it also media savvy to say you need a better QB room and be patient with free agent running backs and then not do that?
This worship of average at best people is tiring. The Giants are an underachieving low talent NFL organization. Stop with the gaslighting that they are not.
JS is only media savvy next to DG or Joe Judge but compared to the average high level leader in a multi billion dollar organization that is public facing he’s a putz
Ding ding ding - I think this is the answer. Schoen doesn't want to draw any lines in the sand about what constitutes improvement because of the likelihood this Giants team fails to reach it.
Because then he would have to walk back any comments and potentially create a new pressure point for the media/fans to press - "Hey, Joe, the Giants didn't win 9 games/make the playoffs/score x PPG...what went wrong?" And finding a diplomatic answer to THAT question is an even bigger can of worms.
‘John Mara talked earlier to us in camp, I want to see significant improvement. Joe, I know you’re not going to say a win total. How do you measure significant improvement?’
That’s not a dumb question at all.
You're right. It's not a dumb question. It's dumb to expect an answer with any substance.