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Bill Simmons on Giants Maye Offer

armstead98 : 8/29/2024 8:18 am
Who knows if true, but he’s pretty connected within Boston sports, on his podcast he says Giants offered 2024 1, 2 and 3 AND says same thing for 2025. It’s a little unclear what he means by 2025 but indicates also at least 1 and 2 as he says maybe pats could have had a 2026 pick too.

Again, who knows if it’s true but I haven’t heard they offered that much.

This is on his NFC over / under podcast when discussing the giants around 20 minute mark.
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Lol.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/29/2024 8:19 am : link
I can't wait to see the responses from thise crying over Schoen not doing enough to get a QB.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/29/2024 8:20 am : link
I don’t mind Simmons, but I find Cousin Sal to be insufferable and not even remotely funny.
Crazy offer  
jeff57 : 8/29/2024 8:21 am : link
And crazy not to accept it. But don't believe it's true.
if that's true  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2024 8:23 am : link
the Pats were dumb not to accept it. I think Maye can be a good QB, but a trade like that can be franchise altering.
Schoen isn’t the only GM  
UConn4523 : 8/29/2024 8:23 am : link
who’s made a generous offer for a QB and then turned down. The Patriots had a worse QB “room” than the Giants, and I don’t think there was any waffling over QB at 3 for them. They put on a nice little show but IMO we’re locked in on QB the whole time.
I suspect the offer had to have picks  
jvm52106 : 8/29/2024 8:24 am : link
coming back to us as well. No way we do 1-2-3, 1-2-3 in back to back years like that BUT, we gain a ton of cap space next year if we move on from Jones.
RE: Schoen isn’t the only GM  
section125 : 8/29/2024 8:25 am : link
In comment 16590424 UConn4523 said:
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who’s made a generous offer for a QB and then turned down. The Patriots had a worse QB “room” than the Giants, and I don’t think there was any waffling over QB at 3 for them. They put on a nice little show but IMO we’re locked in on QB the whole time.



^^^ This. And I doubt the offer was that high. But even if close, it was good, except as you said, the Patriots were far worse than the Giants.
RE: if that's true  
Blue21 : 8/29/2024 8:25 am : link
In comment 16590423 pjcas18 said:
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the Pats were dumb not to accept it. I think Maye can be a good QB, but a trade like that can be franchise altering.
Absolutely. I can't believe Giants offered anywhere near that.
If it was smart to offer it  
mittenedman : 8/29/2024 8:26 am : link
it was correspondingly smart not to accept it too.

The Pats would’ve been dumb to pass up Maye, and they aren’t.
This could very well be true,  
Section331 : 8/29/2024 8:29 am : link
I’m just dubious about how deep Simmons’ NFL connections are. NBA, sure, but I’ve never seen him display any behind the scenes knowledge of the NFL, even with his beloved Pats.
RE: Crazy offer  
Beer Man : 8/29/2024 8:33 am : link
In comment 16590421 jeff57 said:
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And crazy not to accept it. But don't believe it's true.
+1
Hard to believe  
M.S. : 8/29/2024 8:35 am : link
Joe Schoen would chase one draft prospect with all that draft capital!
It would be more believable  
Beer Man : 8/29/2024 8:35 am : link
If he had said that's what the Pat were asking for.
And I have no idea if Simmons info is correct  
UConn4523 : 8/29/2024 8:38 am : link
but it kinda doesn’t matter since I think we made a very good offer, whatever it was, and the Pats were moving forward with their QB of the future.
I'm glad  
Spider43 : 8/29/2024 8:41 am : link
Schoen sees the same thing I see in Maye. But I'm still distressed we haven't come up with anything better than Lock and Cutlets behind DJ. I'll just take comfort in knowing we'll pivot off DJ for sure in the offseason, if he stinks again, given the scuttlebutt about Maye.
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ChrisRick : 8/29/2024 8:44 am : link
This will probably serve well as another example of rumors/news that I want to hear, therefore it is true.

I think there as been too much smoke around the supposed trade offer to the Pats for me to deny that Schoen is looking to upgrade the qb and wasn't just 'checking in' to see what the cost was. Regardless, information like this isn't verified as fact.
This makes me feel a lot better  
Sean : 8/29/2024 8:45 am : link
But, I wish they did more to address QB this year.
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ChrisRick : 8/29/2024 8:48 am : link
I forgot to add that if this information is not what I want to hear then it is false.
he's got that backwards  
dd in Mass : 8/29/2024 8:48 am : link
I had heard that was the original asking price from the Pats.
The Pats may have gotten offers  
BillT : 8/29/2024 8:49 am : link
But I don’t think they were really listening. The chances of your draft choice matching up with a quality QB prospect when you need one happens once in forever. No one trades that no matter what.
This is a much more generous offer than  
Mike from Ohio : 8/29/2024 8:56 am : link
what all of the other reports seemed to be. As mentioned I am not sure Simmons actually has inside sources in the NFL so this may be some artistic license with his storytelling.
If that was indeed theniffer  
Shecky : 8/29/2024 9:00 am : link
May as well have swung for the fences at that point. And tried to move up to 2 or even 1
RE: The Pats may have gotten offers  
Rudy5757 : 8/29/2024 9:00 am : link
In comment 16590457 BillT said:
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But I don’t think they were really listening. The chances of your draft choice matching up with a quality QB prospect when you need one happens once in forever. No one trades that no matter what.


Exactly. The Pats never really wanted to trade the pick.
I don't believe that for a second...  
Chris684 : 8/29/2024 9:02 am : link
The Giants were clearly not ready to move on from Jones yet. It'd very obvious now in hindsight.
RE: Lol.  
Scooter185 : 8/29/2024 9:07 am : link
In comment 16590416 robbieballs2003 said:
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I can't wait to see the responses from thise crying over Schoen not doing enough to get a QB.


I don't mind not getting the trade done, takes two to tango right?

But for plan B to just be running it back with Jones after not being able to make a trade is what I have an issue with
I think there has been enough info out there to show  
Andy in Halifax : 8/29/2024 9:09 am : link
pretty convincingly that the Giants made a legit attempt to trade up for Maye and the Pats just weren't moving that pick.

Sucks but oh well. At least we did get a player that looks like a total stud.
It was a bad situation to be in. Three top QBs they liked and the  
Heisenberg : 8/29/2024 9:11 am : link
first three teams all needed QBs and liked the same guys. NE needed a QB for the next decade and if they got one, he's worth more even than that offer.
RE: Lol.  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/29/2024 9:12 am : link
In comment 16590416 robbieballs2003 said:
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I can't wait to see the responses from thise crying over Schoen not doing enough to get a QB.


Pats weren't trading that pick for 5 1s. And we know the same whining assholes Are dying to post how great the 2nd tier guys are even when they got 17 for 30 w 2 INTs.

And if Maye is great they won't admit that Schoen offered enough anyway.
RE: I don't believe that for a second...  
Mbavaro : 8/29/2024 9:12 am : link
In comment 16590473 Chris684 said:
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The Giants were clearly not ready to move on from Jones yet. It'd very obvious now in hindsight.


So you are saying that Garofolo and Rappaport are also lying saying that JS offered 2 number ones and a number three?

Seems like you are really trying to hold on to a narrative despite multiple sources saying we did make a good offer
RE: RE: Lol.  
section125 : 8/29/2024 9:12 am : link
In comment 16590478 Scooter185 said:
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I can't wait to see the responses from thise crying over Schoen not doing enough to get a QB.



I don't mind not getting the trade done, takes two to tango right?

But for plan B to just be running it back with Jones after not being able to make a trade is what I have an issue with


Because you don't do something just to do something...
RE: This is a much more generous offer than  
rsjem1979 : 8/29/2024 9:13 am : link
In comment 16590464 Mike from Ohio said:
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what all of the other reports seemed to be. As mentioned I am not sure Simmons actually has inside sources in the NFL so this may be some artistic license with his storytelling.


Sounds more like what the Patriots would have needed to move out of that spot. And when you consider that the Giants ultimately drafted zero QBs, it's hard to believe they would have given up all of those picks for Maye but none of their own picks on JJM, Penix, Nix or even a later round developmental QB.

RE: RE: Lol.  
Mbavaro : 8/29/2024 9:15 am : link
In comment 16590478 Scooter185 said:
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I can't wait to see the responses from thise crying over Schoen not doing enough to get a QB.

So then if they couldn’t get any of the QB’s they they wanted…then that was their back up plan…what do you think they should have done?



I don't mind not getting the trade done, takes two to tango right?

But for plan B to just be running it back with Jones after not being able to make a trade is what I have an issue with
RE: It was a bad situation to be in. Three top QBs they liked and the  
rsjem1979 : 8/29/2024 9:16 am : link
In comment 16590484 Heisenberg said:
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first three teams all needed QBs and liked the same guys. NE needed a QB for the next decade and if they got one, he's worth more even than that offer.


Remember that next time a team going nowhere wins a few meaningless late season games with a meme QB and people go apeshit and call you a bad fan if you're not on board with it.
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Mbavaro : 8/29/2024 9:17 am : link
In comment 16590490 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16590416 robbieballs2003 said:


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I can't wait to see the responses from thise crying over Schoen not doing enough to get a QB.

So then if they couldn’t get any of the QB’s they they wanted…then that was their back up plan…what do you think they should have done?



I don't mind not getting the trade done, takes two to tango right?

But for plan B to just be running it back with Jones after not being able to make a trade is what I have an issue with



Sorry for the multiple post

If they couldn’t get any of the QB’s they wanted…that was their back up plan

What do you think they should have done?
RE: If it was smart to offer it  
speedywheels : 8/29/2024 9:28 am : link
In comment 16590431 mittenedman said:
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it was correspondingly smart not to accept it too.

The Pats would’ve been dumb to pass up Maye, and they aren’t.


It was “smart” to not accept an offer of FIVE additional picks - and the top picks a team could offer at that - to move back three spots? Wow.
Schoen sucks  
Harvest Blend : 8/29/2024 9:28 am : link
and even though I don't believe this is true it wouldn't surprise me. If it is, however, I'm not a HUGE fan of Eliot Wolf.

Seems obvious  
fkap : 8/29/2024 9:29 am : link
Giants think of Jones as a tier 2 QB. IF the attempt to move up is true, and there's enough smoke to believe they made some attempt, the only argument being how much of an attempt, they believe Maye is going to be better.

I don't believe Giants are 'all in' on DJ, but think they have more belief than most of BBI.
RE: Schoen sucks  
Harvest Blend : 8/29/2024 9:29 am : link
In comment 16590500 Harvest Blend said:
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and even though I don't believe this is true it wouldn't surprise me. If it is, however, I'm not a HUGE fan of Eliot Wolf.


err..... NOW a huge fan...
RE: RE: It was a bad situation to be in. Three top QBs they liked and the  
Heisenberg : 8/29/2024 9:30 am : link
In comment 16590492 rsjem1979 said:
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first three teams all needed QBs and liked the same guys. NE needed a QB for the next decade and if they got one, he's worth more even than that offer.



Remember that next time a team going nowhere wins a few meaningless late season games with a meme QB and people go apeshit and call you a bad fan if you're not on board with it.


I hear ya. Myself, I can't help but have fun when the Giants win. In my head, I know that better draft position gets us a QB but in my heart...
RE: RE: I don't believe that for a second...  
Chris684 : 8/29/2024 9:31 am : link
In comment 16590486 Mbavaro said:
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The Giants were clearly not ready to move on from Jones yet. It'd very obvious now in hindsight.



So you are saying that Garofolo and Rappaport are also lying saying that JS offered 2 number ones and a number three?

Seems like you are really trying to hold on to a narrative despite multiple sources saying we did make a good offer


You are moving from thread to thread trying to defend your belief but at the end of the day, Drake Maye is not a Giant and their QB room got worse, not better.

Those are just the facts.

I have no doubt the Giants made an offer for Maye. I just don’t believe it was the strongest offer. Certainly not the one Simmons is claiming.
RE: RE: If it was smart to offer it  
BillT : 8/29/2024 9:33 am : link
In comment 16590498 speedywheels said:
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it was correspondingly smart not to accept it too.

The Pats would’ve been dumb to pass up Maye, and they aren’t.



It was “smart” to not accept an offer of FIVE additional picks - and the top picks a team could offer at that - to move back three spots? Wow.

It’s not “three spots” it’s the difference between getting a top QB prospect or not. Wouldn’t matter if it were one spot or twenty.
 
christian : 8/29/2024 9:37 am : link
This is a little logically far-fetched.

We know four hours before the draft, Wolf and Schoen exchange some broad parameters. In this conversation there's no reference to a standing offer of two year's worth of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. In fact Wolf comes out and says it would take something like that.

And we're to believe Schoen subsequently made an offer like that, and HBO decided not to include that dramatic moment in the program? That would have been the most compelling piece of offseason footage this decade.
RE: RE: RE: I don't believe that for a second...  
Mbavaro : 8/29/2024 9:38 am : link
In comment 16590509 Chris684 said:
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The Giants were clearly not ready to move on from Jones yet. It'd very obvious now in hindsight.



So you are saying that Garofolo and Rappaport are also lying saying that JS offered 2 number ones and a number three?

Seems like you are really trying to hold on to a narrative despite multiple sources saying we did make a good offer



You are moving from thread to thread trying to defend your belief but at the end of the day, Drake Maye is not a Giant and their QB room got worse, not better.

Those are just the facts.

I have no doubt the Giants made an offer for Maye. I just don’t believe it was the strongest offer. Certainly not the one Simmons is claiming.


I would say the offer that both Garofolo and Rappaport reported was a strong offer and that offer would dispel the notion that you claimed that they are all in on Jones

If they were all in…then no offer would even taken place for a player who they just signed to an extension the previous year

I believe JS know he F-ed up with the extension which is why they spent so much time in season last year and this off season heavy scouting QB’s…then had discussions with New England
Simmons has been pretty negative on the Giants all offseason  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/29/2024 9:39 am : link
He’s betting hard on the Giants under 4.5 wins this season. Says our QB, Line, and Defense are horrible.
 
christian : 8/29/2024 9:46 am : link
Obviously Garafolo is Schoen's guy. What did he report the Giants offered?
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Mbavaro : 8/29/2024 9:51 am : link
In comment 16590529 christian said:
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Obviously Garafolo is Schoen's guy. What did he report the Giants offered?


How is that obvious?
I think Garofolo is the best in that biz
He along with Rappaport both reported we offered our number 1 this year and next year and a number 3 this year
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christian : 8/29/2024 9:53 am : link
In comment 16590538 Mbavaro said:
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Obviously Garafolo is Schoen's guy. What did he report the Giants offered?

How is that obvious?
I think Garofolo is the best in that biz
He along with Rappaport both reported we offered our number 1 this year and next year and a number 3 this year

Can you point me to that reporting?

If you watched Hard Knocks, it was crystal clear Schoen was Garafolo's source during the offseason.
why do you guys not believe this?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/29/2024 9:54 am : link
We already know they Giants offered two #1s. So the #2 and #3 next year is a bridge too far?

RE: Simmons has been pretty negative on the Giants all offseason  
SirLoinOfBeef : 8/29/2024 9:57 am : link
In comment 16590522 JoeyBigBlue said:
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He’s betting hard on the Giants under 4.5 wins this season. Says our QB, Line, and Defense are horrible.


He may be right...

But he's still butthurt over the Giants ruining the Pats perfect season.

I'm sure he was penning the epilogue of his book prior to the SB.
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Mbavaro : 8/29/2024 9:57 am : link
In comment 16590543 christian said:
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In comment 16590538 Mbavaro said:


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Obviously Garafolo is Schoen's guy. What did he report the Giants offered?

How is that obvious?
I think Garofolo is the best in that biz
He along with Rappaport both reported we offered our number 1 this year and next year and a number 3 this year


Can you point me to that reporting?

If you watched Hard Knocks, it was crystal clear Schoen was Garafolo's source during the offseason.


I am not on twitter….it was posted here during draft time
See Eric’s post
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