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| @Schultz_Report Sources: The #Giants brought in CB Adoree' Jackson for a physical today and negotiations are underway on a deal to bring him back. A deal is not done, but the two sides are very interested. The Giants have been looking to add another viable corner. |
But on the Giants the league notices.
Let's hope he is all in....as he saw his NFL life reaching the end.
Neither the player, nor the Giants wanted this.....built off of necessity.
Could be a nice 1 year win/win!
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Indictment in the front office. And not a good one.
agreed, should not have come to this and pretty poor reflection that after a full offseason of it as a known area of weakness they let it get to this.
Depending on if he signs, and for how much, it's quite possibly precisely the opposite: a great move by the FO.
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Indictment in the front office. And not a good one.
agreed, should not have come to this and pretty poor reflection that after a full offseason of it as a known area of weakness they let it get to this.
Exactly, especially after they knew for two seasons it was heading in this direction.
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In comment 16591518 Paulie Walnuts said:
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They'll draft a cb next year high
The amount of premium draft picks that the Giants have spend on DBs in the past 10 years is mind-boggling.
how do you say that. Are the Giants picking more DB's than other teams with "premium picks". Every year there are like 6 db's drafted in the first round. News flash -- It is a premium position.
What exactly are you arguing? Check the Giants draft history in the first three rounds of the draft for the past 10 years and get back to me.
week 2 against arizona he played well. allowed 4 rec on 6 targets for 40 yards, no tds.
week 3 his reps were all against Deebo, CMC, kittle. he allowed 4 rec on 7 targets for 77 yards and 1 td to deebo with 1 pbu. again not great but that's not an easy matchup to win. i remember deebo making a bunch of difficult 3rd down catches.
week 4 he faced lockett and jsn, allowed 3 rec on 4 targets for 34 yards.
week 5 he faced tyreek and cedrick wilson, alloed 4/4 for 46 yards, no tds. in a game with a ton of big plays by hill they apparently werent against him (tyreek's 69 yard td was on hawkins, the guy adoree is likely going to replace on the roster).
week 6 against buf he faced diggs/shakir, allowed 4/4 for 63 yards, no tds.
he missed week 7 vs WSH with a neck injury - so up until that that point the 1/3 mark of the season he'd only allowed 1 td to deebo.
week 8 he held lazard to 3/4 for 45 yards - and none of them were in the slot. so it looks like that experiment ended midseason.
week 9 he held davante adams to 1 reception for 6 yards.
weeks 10/11 he was again out with a concussion/neck injury.
week 12 vs NE he only allowed 3 rec on 6 targets for 12 yards.
week 14 he held doubs to 1 rec on 4 targets for 5 yards.
week 15 he gave up his 2nd and final td of the year to juwan johnson which was 23 yards. allowed 4 catches on 4 targets for 74 yards in the game.
week 16 philly he allowed 6 rec on 12 targets for 66 yards with an INT and no tds.
week 17 vs LAR he allowed 6/11 for 135 including an 80 yarder which had 77 rac yards to puka (no tds). id guess that was a missed tackle.
week 18 vs philly he allowed 6/8 for 65 yards no tds.
bottom line we all watched the games and know he wasnt as good as 2022 on the field at at any point. i dont doubt he was making some business decisions along the way - especially after the head/neck injuries. but playing slot those first few weeks was a failed experiment that im sure wasnt his idea. he played the best WRs in the league in those first 10 weeks and held his own - and most importantly unlike hawkins wasnt giving up 50+ yard tds. you cannot roster and play players who give up plays like that regularly, and hawkins tackling is even worse than jacksons (which was at times not bad). this is a no risk add.
Great research Eric. I’m feeling better now….sign him and cut Hawkins….i would feel better.
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In comment 16591520 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 16591518 Paulie Walnuts said:
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They'll draft a cb next year high
The amount of premium draft picks that the Giants have spend on DBs in the past 10 years is mind-boggling.
Spending the picks isn’t the issue alone, in today’s NFL DB is a need for almost every team every year
It’s the whiffing on picks, or failing to develop them or both (at all positions) that’s killed the Giants the past decade
^This. It's not so much the volume of picks, it's the lack of return. The two are of course related because the latter definitely influences the former. We have to keep drafting CBs because we can't properly evaluate which CBs to draft. We've had the same problem with the OL. Having to constantly redraft the same position group is a telltale sign of bad drafting.
Remember DeAndre Baker? We spent three picks on him, including a first.
This exactly, and this was my point (some here--not you and Paulie--are too dense to understand unless it's completely spelled out for them, apparently). The Giants have used 1/3 of their Day 1 and Day 2 picks on DBs because they keep whiffing on guys like Apple, Darrin Thompson, Baker, Beal and Robinson. And I guess Flott if the coaches don't want him starting. Guys that actually hit, like Love and McKinney, they let walk.
The Giants do not feel that they can acquire a front-line CB.
Jackson as the second or third CB is better than Hawkins, Flott, McCloud, or Phillips.
He is not a slot corner but can hold his own, playing on the outside.
His tackling and run support is less than desirable.
The Giants can scheme around his deficiencies.
He is more of a man cover rather than zone CB. But zone coverage is a misnomer. There can be man-coverage within a zone concept. Jackson can be effective if he is used properly.
they easily could have. they visited both tredavious white and darious williams in march, both got reasonable deals. whatever they give adoree + the dead money they are eating from some FA signings they cut already (holmes, mills, jordan phillips) could have paid for them and they can easily create more space if they want right now.
it's clear adoree jackson wasnt a priority for them so that they had to settle instead of getting guys they prioritized as potential upgrades is a swing and miss.
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Unless you're delusional enough to believe they could have solved Tackle, both guard spots, WR, pass rush, starting CB and RB all in one offseason.
they easily could have. they visited both tredavious white and darious williams in march, both got reasonable deals. whatever they give adoree + the dead money they are eating from some FA signings they cut already (holmes, mills, jordan phillips) could have paid for them and they can easily create more space if they want right now.
it's clear adoree jackson wasnt a priority for them so that they had to settle instead of getting guys they prioritized as potential upgrades is a swing and miss.
Lay out how they could filled every position then. "They easily could have" doesnt cut it. They are right on the cap, every dollar was spent filling other gaping holes. If they got the CB, they probably dont get one of the other positions. It was always realistically going to be a trade off.
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In comment 16591676 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Unless you're delusional enough to believe they could have solved Tackle, both guard spots, WR, pass rush, starting CB and RB all in one offseason.
they easily could have. they visited both tredavious white and darious williams in march, both got reasonable deals. whatever they give adoree + the dead money they are eating from some FA signings they cut already (holmes, mills, jordan phillips) could have paid for them and they can easily create more space if they want right now.
it's clear adoree jackson wasnt a priority for them so that they had to settle instead of getting guys they prioritized as potential upgrades is a swing and miss.
Lay out how they could filled every position then. "They easily could have" doesnt cut it. They are right on the cap, every dollar was spent filling other gaping holes. If they got the CB, they probably dont get one of the other positions. It was always realistically going to be a trade off.
they are right at the cap by design (see below & link) and i did lay out exactly how they could have filled this particular position that we know they considered a major need in HK with a player we know they liked. so to repeat:
tredavious white's (who they hosted on a FA visit in March) cap # right now is 3.48m for LAR for 1 year, a deal signed in mid-april after the giants meeting. dead money to the vet FAs they've already cut plus whatever they pay adoree will likely equal very close to that same amount. they actually hosted darious williams first, his cap # is slightly higher at 4.6m.
white signed with LAR after nyg gave jalen mills $500k gtd on 3/13, resigned darnay holmes (100k gtd) on march 20th, and just before they signed jordan phillips with $500k guaranteed and matthew adams with 1m guaranteed on 4/12. probably money that had been part of their offer to white that the rams beat, which they could have easily upped if they wanted to. we arent talking about big chunks of $ here.
https://overthecap.com/restructure - ( New Window )
He is more of a vet who can step in if the guys they are pushing cant cut it.
How soon people forget everything else that has or needed to be accomplished. That’s why I value these keyboard gm’s opinions less than a bag of dog crap
EX: Daniel Jones......where is the development?
Why?
Because some aren't jacked up on potentially signing a player who phoned in a number of plays last year? Coupled with the lack of development at the position as well?
Sorry man.
it is all of the above. we never know the exact splits but the coaching staff and scouts share in choosing draft picks.
they knew CB was a big need, we saw them say it on hard knocks. adoree could end up working out very cheaply but they were left scraping bottom of the barrel, and they ended up reuniting with a player they clearly preferred not to have to. another reactive move.
Flott hasnt developed into an *outside* corner, but there were always going to be questions if he could ever be that. He played just about every snap last year at Slot, and he played a lot.
They better not overpay for this knucklehead
I am not ready to get rid of Schoen or Dabs but how many years should they get? I think 5 is about the limit. If you cannot turn this team around in 5 years it will be time for a change. And I think both have 5 year contracts.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
I am not ready to get rid of Schoen or Dabs but how many years should they get? I think 5 is about the limit. If you cannot turn this team around in 5 years it will be time for a change. And I think both have 5 year contracts.
How is being young an excuse? jist because you have zero patience doesnt make it an excuse..
You act like this team has zero talent, they habe aton of talent its just young so what happens to a young secondary? they are going to make mistakes they are going to get beat, does it mean they suck? no they are young...
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They'll draft a cb next year high
The amount of premium draft picks that the Giants have spend on DBs in the past 10 years is mind-boggling.
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if Jackson was to be signed?
I am not ready to get rid of Schoen or Dabs but how many years should they get? I think 5 is about the limit. If you cannot turn this team around in 5 years it will be time for a change. And I think both have 5 year contracts.
How is being young an excuse? jist because you have zero patience doesnt make it an excuse..
You act like this team has zero talent, they habe aton of talent its just young so what happens to a young secondary? they are going to make mistakes they are going to get beat, does it mean they suck? no they are young...
5 years should absolutely be a limit. By the same token, 3 years is the reasonable floor. I agree with almost all of Schoen's moves this season, but even if I didn't I wouldn't pronounce him and the team anything but WIP with this a critical year 1 of judgement window.
Re: Adoree, if signed. There's little to judge without a crystal ball. It may be they were OK with what we had, or even better than OK, knowing there'd still be growing pains. And then, with Jackson surprisingly still available, and with leverage and foresight, adding him seems like a better alternative.
Or it could signal real concern with the group, which still doesn't impugn them for giving them a chance. Flott's injury added uncertainty. Like him or not, he was pencilled in as the starter and his injury derailed that -- whether he'd have raised his game or not will never be known.
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
Are you just baiting the "we need natural grass to replace this horrible turf" crew???? ;)
Shopping hungry
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
He cant throw the ball to himself.im not sure what the expectation is here when 90% of BBI agrees that the OL cant support a pass offense and 60% thinks we dont actually have NFL qbs on the roster.
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mentioned in his latest podcast, this board continues to devolve into a blubbering mess of contrivagty and negativity for ever blade of grass that exists. Insufferable this place has become.
Are you just baiting the "we need natural grass to replace this horrible turf" crew???? ;)
LMAO... that was good.
I agree for draftees and UDFAs. Vets know how to play the position. They just need to pick up the terminology and some nuance. For them it is not rocket science.
Jackson played for Bowen in Tennessee. He had a rough year last year but he’s only 28 and outside last year he’s been a solid cover corner. If he’s motivated, I love the move.
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In comment 16591726 JoeyBigBlue said:
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
He cant throw the ball to himself.im not sure what the expectation is here when 90% of BBI agrees that the OL cant support a pass offense and 60% thinks we dont actually have NFL qbs on the roster.
Rather then "everybody gets a pass" I'm closer to "blame everybody for the offense not being good."
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In comment 16591807 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 16591777 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16591726 JoeyBigBlue said:
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
He cant throw the ball to himself.im not sure what the expectation is here when 90% of BBI agrees that the OL cant support a pass offense and 60% thinks we dont actually have NFL qbs on the roster.
Rather then "everybody gets a pass" I'm closer to "blame everybody for the offense not being good."
Its an oversimplification in both those quotes. Its not one or the other.
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In comment 16591828 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16591807 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 16591777 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16591726 JoeyBigBlue said:
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
He cant throw the ball to himself.im not sure what the expectation is here when 90% of BBI agrees that the OL cant support a pass offense and 60% thinks we dont actually have NFL qbs on the roster.
Rather then "everybody gets a pass" I'm closer to "blame everybody for the offense not being good."
Its an oversimplification in both those quotes. Its not one or the other.
Sure, that's fair, but your initial statement was "he can't throw the ball to himself," which is also an oversimplification. I don't blame Wan'Dale as much as the O line or QBs but he also can shoulder some of the burden, too.
By young I mean under 30
Bowen's defense requires CBs to be able to tackle well. That does not fit Jackson.
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The 4 pages of posts before are mostly negative about bringing him back, but he is young. He was really good a couple of years ago. A strong pass rush can help a player like Adoree. I think it would be a good move.
Bowen's defense requires CBs to be able to tackle well. That does not fit Jackson.
You are remember last year more. He was good in 2021 and 2022. He gave up about a 52% completion, only had about a 7.5% miss tackle rate compared to 12.5% in 2023, while having 113 tackle in 23 games for '21/'22 which is pretty good for a CB. He also has only gave up 2 TDs in each of the last 3 years... sign me up for that.