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| @Schultz_Report Sources: The #Giants brought in CB Adoree' Jackson for a physical today and negotiations are underway on a deal to bring him back. A deal is not done, but the two sides are very interested. The Giants have been looking to add another viable corner. |
He is more of a vet who can step in if the guys they are pushing cant cut it.
How soon people forget everything else that has or needed to be accomplished. That’s why I value these keyboard gm’s opinions less than a bag of dog crap
EX: Daniel Jones......where is the development?
Why?
Because some aren't jacked up on potentially signing a player who phoned in a number of plays last year? Coupled with the lack of development at the position as well?
Sorry man.
it is all of the above. we never know the exact splits but the coaching staff and scouts share in choosing draft picks.
they knew CB was a big need, we saw them say it on hard knocks. adoree could end up working out very cheaply but they were left scraping bottom of the barrel, and they ended up reuniting with a player they clearly preferred not to have to. another reactive move.
Flott hasnt developed into an *outside* corner, but there were always going to be questions if he could ever be that. He played just about every snap last year at Slot, and he played a lot.
They better not overpay for this knucklehead
I am not ready to get rid of Schoen or Dabs but how many years should they get? I think 5 is about the limit. If you cannot turn this team around in 5 years it will be time for a change. And I think both have 5 year contracts.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
I am not ready to get rid of Schoen or Dabs but how many years should they get? I think 5 is about the limit. If you cannot turn this team around in 5 years it will be time for a change. And I think both have 5 year contracts.
How is being young an excuse? jist because you have zero patience doesnt make it an excuse..
You act like this team has zero talent, they habe aton of talent its just young so what happens to a young secondary? they are going to make mistakes they are going to get beat, does it mean they suck? no they are young...
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They'll draft a cb next year high
The amount of premium draft picks that the Giants have spend on DBs in the past 10 years is mind-boggling.
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if Jackson was to be signed?
I am not ready to get rid of Schoen or Dabs but how many years should they get? I think 5 is about the limit. If you cannot turn this team around in 5 years it will be time for a change. And I think both have 5 year contracts.
How is being young an excuse? jist because you have zero patience doesnt make it an excuse..
You act like this team has zero talent, they habe aton of talent its just young so what happens to a young secondary? they are going to make mistakes they are going to get beat, does it mean they suck? no they are young...
5 years should absolutely be a limit. By the same token, 3 years is the reasonable floor. I agree with almost all of Schoen's moves this season, but even if I didn't I wouldn't pronounce him and the team anything but WIP with this a critical year 1 of judgement window.
Re: Adoree, if signed. There's little to judge without a crystal ball. It may be they were OK with what we had, or even better than OK, knowing there'd still be growing pains. And then, with Jackson surprisingly still available, and with leverage and foresight, adding him seems like a better alternative.
Or it could signal real concern with the group, which still doesn't impugn them for giving them a chance. Flott's injury added uncertainty. Like him or not, he was pencilled in as the starter and his injury derailed that -- whether he'd have raised his game or not will never be known.
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
Are you just baiting the "we need natural grass to replace this horrible turf" crew???? ;)
Shopping hungry
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
He cant throw the ball to himself.im not sure what the expectation is here when 90% of BBI agrees that the OL cant support a pass offense and 60% thinks we dont actually have NFL qbs on the roster.
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mentioned in his latest podcast, this board continues to devolve into a blubbering mess of contrivagty and negativity for ever blade of grass that exists. Insufferable this place has become.
Are you just baiting the "we need natural grass to replace this horrible turf" crew???? ;)
LMAO... that was good.
I agree for draftees and UDFAs. Vets know how to play the position. They just need to pick up the terminology and some nuance. For them it is not rocket science.
Jackson played for Bowen in Tennessee. He had a rough year last year but he’s only 28 and outside last year he’s been a solid cover corner. If he’s motivated, I love the move.
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In comment 16591726 JoeyBigBlue said:
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
He cant throw the ball to himself.im not sure what the expectation is here when 90% of BBI agrees that the OL cant support a pass offense and 60% thinks we dont actually have NFL qbs on the roster.
Rather then "everybody gets a pass" I'm closer to "blame everybody for the offense not being good."
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In comment 16591777 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16591726 JoeyBigBlue said:
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
He cant throw the ball to himself.im not sure what the expectation is here when 90% of BBI agrees that the OL cant support a pass offense and 60% thinks we dont actually have NFL qbs on the roster.
Rather then "everybody gets a pass" I'm closer to "blame everybody for the offense not being good."
Its an oversimplification in both those quotes. Its not one or the other.
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In comment 16591828 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16591807 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 16591777 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16591726 JoeyBigBlue said:
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But the development of players from the coaching staff. Flott was a 3rd pick two seasons ago, and he still has not developed into a starting caliber player. Same with Neal and Ezeudu, who were high draft picks.
Flott literally played a ton last year in the slot, when he was drsfted he was considered a slot guy, thisbyear they are trying him out as the number 2 outside corner, cant sya hr hasnt developed when this is the first year he is playing the position..
Mcfadden has become a starting caliber ILB..
Pinnock was not a drsft pick bit he has become a good safety
Belton everytime he played last year caused a bunch of turnovers
Thibs is becoming a very good edge player and hopefully will take another leap
Wandale has become a very good slot receicer and is tough to cover..
You cant say there has been no development, yeah Neal and Ez3udu are dissapointments, but not every draft pick has been misses
Wan'Dale had 60 catches for 525 yards last year. He has all the talent and flashes in the world, but has yet to produce anything tangible.
He cant throw the ball to himself.im not sure what the expectation is here when 90% of BBI agrees that the OL cant support a pass offense and 60% thinks we dont actually have NFL qbs on the roster.
Rather then "everybody gets a pass" I'm closer to "blame everybody for the offense not being good."
Its an oversimplification in both those quotes. Its not one or the other.
Sure, that's fair, but your initial statement was "he can't throw the ball to himself," which is also an oversimplification. I don't blame Wan'Dale as much as the O line or QBs but he also can shoulder some of the burden, too.
By young I mean under 30
Bowen's defense requires CBs to be able to tackle well. That does not fit Jackson.
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The 4 pages of posts before are mostly negative about bringing him back, but he is young. He was really good a couple of years ago. A strong pass rush can help a player like Adoree. I think it would be a good move.
Bowen's defense requires CBs to be able to tackle well. That does not fit Jackson.
You are remember last year more. He was good in 2021 and 2022. He gave up about a 52% completion, only had about a 7.5% miss tackle rate compared to 12.5% in 2023, while having 113 tackle in 23 games for '21/'22 which is pretty good for a CB. He also has only gave up 2 TDs in each of the last 3 years... sign me up for that.