That's something that Schoen and Daboll seem to mention a lot. Maybe the plan was/is not to worry about QB until the rest of the roster was fixed. If so, that plan is probably behind schedule.
but i think to many people are confusing young for talentless, this team has plenty of talent, it is just super young..
The wide receiver room is extremely young but there is a ton of talent there and the mix fits around each other very well..
The secondary has a ton of talent, it is just extremely young, you habe a 2nd year player as your number 1, a rookie in the slot, 2nd year player on the other side, Belton is 3rd year, Pinnock was an UDFA and Nubin is a rookie..
Schoen has added plenty of talent it jist needs to time to grow
so they're definitely aware the position needs to be much better, and they're at least somewhat actively trying to get it done when they identify a worthy upgrade. YMMV. They're kinda waiting by default now until the next opportunity arises.
They tried for a QB and couldn't get it done. This roster is getting better. I wasn't sold on Schoen entering this offseason and I still am not, but he didn't do anything stupid like trading away a bunch of picks to force a QB. I feel much better about a QB coming into this situation next year. The OL looks much improved. Our WRs are much improved. Our defensive front is becoming a strength and giving this team an identity. It's nowhere near perfect nor done, but we won't have to hear all the bullshit from Mara like they did with Jones where they did everything to screw him up. I actually agree with Mara there but it doesn't make it any better. Jones didn't develop. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, that's just the facts. The next QB os entering a much better situation.
so they're definitely aware the position needs to be much better, and they're at least somewhat actively trying to get it done when they identify a worthy upgrade. YMMV. They're kinda waiting by default now until the next opportunity arises.
Decisions have been made by management as a whole, about what to do and how to do it. It suggests that there are specific things the Giants want to accomplish and what to do when things don't go as planned.
It also suggests that if the Giants have a great season, it is not because of just one man and (more importantly) if the season turns to shit it is not the fault of just one man, who ignored the good advice of everyone else.
I'm guessing that Part I of the plan is to let everyone know that there is a plan. (I know that I'm a cynical SOB)
I said to him the other day, “to be fair they were practically begging the Patriots for the 3 pick so they know what they have”
At the risk of drawing BBI heat - my theory is that the Giants fully intended to give Jones the chance all along. I think they knew that the Patriots were not going to give up Maye with their own QB situation. Management also is aware that the fans are calling for it - so I think they gave some PR credence about pursuing a trade with the knowledge that it wasn't going to happen, and then pivot to giving DJ a last chance with a line and weapons as they genuinely like him.
They tried for a QB and couldn't get it done. This roster is getting better. I wasn't sold on Schoen entering this offseason and I still am not, but he didn't do anything stupid like trading away a bunch of picks to force a QB. I feel much better about a QB coming into this situation next year. The OL looks much improved. Our WRs are much improved. Our defensive front is becoming a strength and giving this team an identity. It's nowhere near perfect nor done, but we won't have to hear all the bullshit from Mara like they did with Jones where they did everything to screw him up. I actually agree with Mara there but it doesn't make it any better. Jones didn't develop. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, that's just the facts. The next QB os entering a much better situation.
The issue regarding the QB is a concern. The more mediocre they are - the harder it will be to draft a highly rated QB. Not saying a 7 win team can't get a good QB but very questionable we get a terrfic QB with 7 wins with a draft not regarded well for QB's.
They tried for a QB and couldn't get it done. This roster is getting better. I wasn't sold on Schoen entering this offseason and I still am not, but he didn't do anything stupid like trading away a bunch of picks to force a QB. I feel much better about a QB coming into this situation next year. The OL looks much improved. Our WRs are much improved. Our defensive front is becoming a strength and giving this team an identity. It's nowhere near perfect nor done, but we won't have to hear all the bullshit from Mara like they did with Jones where they did everything to screw him up. I actually agree with Mara there but it doesn't make it any better. Jones didn't develop. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, that's just the facts. The next QB os entering a much better situation.
The issue regarding the QB is a concern. The more mediocre they are - the harder it will be to draft a highly rated QB. Not saying a 7 win team can't get a good QB but very questionable we get a terrfic QB with 7 wins with a draft not regarded well for QB's.
When he's comfortable with the rest of the roster, giving up draft picks for a QB isn't as big an issue.
Are different versions of "letting the season play out." It is wasted breath and another irrelevant assertion from the gaslighting shill playbook.
Obviously, they are working their plan and trusting their process. Who cares! It is like saying, we are trying our best and working very hard. Thanks for the insight Captain Obvious! It is never necessary to utter these two phrases to anyone. Ever.
This is all about continuous improvement. "Trust the progress" and "verify the process" are the only phrases that matter. So at all times, answers should confirm that the process is working and that progress is being made. With specific objectives and concrete examples. Schoen's defensiveness on the question of what "significant improvement" means for this franchise, especially when it was stated by the owner, could not be less comforting.
‘Working the plan’ and ‘trusting the process’ are often reminders to not deviate from the plan too quickly. That seems like a reasonable thought process.
‘Working the plan’ and ‘trusting the process’ are often reminders to not deviate from the plan too quickly. That seems like a reasonable thought process.
yeah, but the thing is that none of us know what their plan really is. I think for the most part we project what our plan would be.
‘Working the plan’ and ‘trusting the process’ are often reminders to not deviate from the plan too quickly. That seems like a reasonable thought process.
yeah, but the thing is that none of us know what their plan really is. I think for the most part we project what our plan would be.
I totally agree, which is why I think it is a good idea to not get too high with optimism or too low with negativity.
My response was more for the poster who may have missed the point on why gm’s, coaches, owners etc say things like: “ trust the plan” or “trust the process”.
Schoen had the tool to keep Jones for a year, and see if he continued to progress. That he he chose to commit more time and money to Jones is a clear indication he thought Jones was a part of the solution.
That he and the staff witnessed another chapter of durability issues and chaos with Jones (and co.), and determined "I'd like to take a swing at a blue chip QB" never struck as me as a huge vote of no confidence. It was an opportunity, he explored it, and he chose Jones > red chip, cheap, young options.
it seems like some people want to ignore what happened.
But he said he wanted to be patient with FA running backs and improve the QB room. He did not do those things. We have more hard evidence that JS does not stick to stated plans than otherwise.
You are trying to derive an implied plan here but to christian’s point that is not in line with what we are seeing either.
Build the rest of the roster goes better with cheap high upside QB options. Or at least one of the two of those. Paying Jones isn’t that. You want to conserve a lot more cap room than they have if that is your plan
I said to him the other day, “to be fair they were practically begging the Patriots for the 3 pick so they know what they have”
At the risk of drawing BBI heat - my theory is that the Giants fully intended to give Jones the chance all along. I think they knew that the Patriots were not going to give up Maye with their own QB situation. Management also is aware that the fans are calling for it - so I think they gave some PR credence about pursuing a trade with the knowledge that it wasn't going to happen, and then pivot to giving DJ a last chance with a line and weapons as they genuinely like him.
I respectfully disagree.
Think about what this FO inherited 2 years ago....
This year will not be much of an indicator either,as we are still in rebuild mode....
This FO has a plan and it will take a little more time,
Last season was a rash of inuries the likes I haven't seen in a long time,if ever...
The season before we were one of the surprise teams in the NFL
The Giants and/or optimistic fans can talk about plans and
processes all they want. But until a credible investment is made in a QB this team is stuck in the mud with minimal threshold highs and plenty of lows.
The offensive system is now year 3 and Jones knows it's cold.
Yes, we will go deep more often due to our speed and Jones must be effective at keeping teams back as that will help our run game immensely!
I'll say this now: if healthy this offense has Top 12 potential this year! If Neal had developed into an All-Pro we'd be Top 12 for sure but alas he hasn't developed.
I think Nabers, Robinson, and Hyatt with stable Slayton give us the fastest set of receivers we've ever had.
The wide receiver room is extremely young but there is a ton of talent there and the mix fits around each other very well..
The secondary has a ton of talent, it is just extremely young, you habe a 2nd year player as your number 1, a rookie in the slot, 2nd year player on the other side, Belton is 3rd year, Pinnock was an UDFA and Nubin is a rookie..
Schoen has added plenty of talent it jist needs to time to grow
I said to him the other day, “to be fair they were practically begging the Patriots for the 3 pick so they know what they have”
My read as well.
It also suggests that if the Giants have a great season, it is not because of just one man and (more importantly) if the season turns to shit it is not the fault of just one man, who ignored the good advice of everyone else.
I'm guessing that Part I of the plan is to let everyone know that there is a plan. (I know that I'm a cynical SOB)
I said to him the other day, “to be fair they were practically begging the Patriots for the 3 pick so they know what they have”
At the risk of drawing BBI heat - my theory is that the Giants fully intended to give Jones the chance all along. I think they knew that the Patriots were not going to give up Maye with their own QB situation. Management also is aware that the fans are calling for it - so I think they gave some PR credence about pursuing a trade with the knowledge that it wasn't going to happen, and then pivot to giving DJ a last chance with a line and weapons as they genuinely like him.
The issue regarding the QB is a concern. The more mediocre they are - the harder it will be to draft a highly rated QB. Not saying a 7 win team can't get a good QB but very questionable we get a terrfic QB with 7 wins with a draft not regarded well for QB's.
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They tried for a QB and couldn't get it done. This roster is getting better. I wasn't sold on Schoen entering this offseason and I still am not, but he didn't do anything stupid like trading away a bunch of picks to force a QB. I feel much better about a QB coming into this situation next year. The OL looks much improved. Our WRs are much improved. Our defensive front is becoming a strength and giving this team an identity. It's nowhere near perfect nor done, but we won't have to hear all the bullshit from Mara like they did with Jones where they did everything to screw him up. I actually agree with Mara there but it doesn't make it any better. Jones didn't develop. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, that's just the facts. The next QB os entering a much better situation.
The issue regarding the QB is a concern. The more mediocre they are - the harder it will be to draft a highly rated QB. Not saying a 7 win team can't get a good QB but very questionable we get a terrfic QB with 7 wins with a draft not regarded well for QB's.
When he's comfortable with the rest of the roster, giving up draft picks for a QB isn't as big an issue.
Obviously, they are working their plan and trusting their process. Who cares! It is like saying, we are trying our best and working very hard. Thanks for the insight Captain Obvious! It is never necessary to utter these two phrases to anyone. Ever.
This is all about continuous improvement. "Trust the progress" and "verify the process" are the only phrases that matter. So at all times, answers should confirm that the process is working and that progress is being made. With specific objectives and concrete examples. Schoen's defensiveness on the question of what "significant improvement" means for this franchise, especially when it was stated by the owner, could not be less comforting.
yeah, but the thing is that none of us know what their plan really is. I think for the most part we project what our plan would be.
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‘Working the plan’ and ‘trusting the process’ are often reminders to not deviate from the plan too quickly. That seems like a reasonable thought process.
yeah, but the thing is that none of us know what their plan really is. I think for the most part we project what our plan would be.
I totally agree, which is why I think it is a good idea to not get too high with optimism or too low with negativity.
My response was more for the poster who may have missed the point on why gm’s, coaches, owners etc say things like: “ trust the plan” or “trust the process”.
That he and the staff witnessed another chapter of durability issues and chaos with Jones (and co.), and determined "I'd like to take a swing at a blue chip QB" never struck as me as a huge vote of no confidence. It was an opportunity, he explored it, and he chose Jones > red chip, cheap, young options.
But he said he wanted to be patient with FA running backs and improve the QB room. He did not do those things. We have more hard evidence that JS does not stick to stated plans than otherwise.
You are trying to derive an implied plan here but to christian’s point that is not in line with what we are seeing either.
Build the rest of the roster goes better with cheap high upside QB options. Or at least one of the two of those. Paying Jones isn’t that. You want to conserve a lot more cap room than they have if that is your plan
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Who consistently busts my balls about Dan Jones
I said to him the other day, “to be fair they were practically begging the Patriots for the 3 pick so they know what they have”
At the risk of drawing BBI heat - my theory is that the Giants fully intended to give Jones the chance all along. I think they knew that the Patriots were not going to give up Maye with their own QB situation. Management also is aware that the fans are calling for it - so I think they gave some PR credence about pursuing a trade with the knowledge that it wasn't going to happen, and then pivot to giving DJ a last chance with a line and weapons as they genuinely like him.
This is what I think as well
Think about what this FO inherited 2 years ago....
This year will not be much of an indicator either,as we are still in rebuild mode....
This FO has a plan and it will take a little more time,
Last season was a rash of inuries the likes I haven't seen in a long time,if ever...
The season before we were one of the surprise teams in the NFL
We are just passing time watching trains go by.
Yes, we will go deep more often due to our speed and Jones must be effective at keeping teams back as that will help our run game immensely!
I'll say this now: if healthy this offense has Top 12 potential this year! If Neal had developed into an All-Pro we'd be Top 12 for sure but alas he hasn't developed.
I think Nabers, Robinson, and Hyatt with stable Slayton give us the fastest set of receivers we've ever had.