QB’s drafted last 5 years

Four years to get the pieces around DJ right.

In comment 16592550 Jack Stroud said:

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In comment 16592365 eric2425ny said: Quote: In comment 16592362 Blueworm said: Quote: Not to try, because you'll probably fail. What is your point, exactly? Unless this guy does things he has never done before in five years, the GM has to try and preserve his job by elevating the win ceiling. The point is it’s tough to find a QB. I think a lot of posters (myself included) are excited about drafting one next year. I guess I didn’t realize how bad the success rate for drafted QB’s has been in recent years. I mean it makes sense when you think about how much the college game has changed. Same reason offensive line quality has faded. With most of the qb's failing why are you excited to draft one next year?

Because when your QB also fails, repeatedly, don't just be an idiot and let him keep failing, identify your next best shot and take it.

to not try. Especially when getting it right is the most important part of doing your job well.

It is actually the opposite. Because it is so hard you need to take many shots.

Getting the right QB is hard, so you should just not get one, or stay with the bad one you have because the next one may be even worse.

Do you guys also just marry the first girl who agrees to go on a date with you since finding “the one” is really hard and the girl right in front of you might be ok if she just fixes a few things about herself?

When something is difficult, but important, you keep trying to get it right, not settle for whatever is in front of you at the moment to hedge the unknown.

In comment 16592779 SGMen said:

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Here is the thing: the draft is a crapshoot and there is no guarantee the top 3 picks get you the QB of your dreams. So what you hope for first is that Daniel Jones flourishes this year and shows enough to make you believe he can be the SB capable guy. Odds are 1 in 100 based on his resume to date!!!! But 25 other teams have similar issues too, give or take.... IMHO.

This thinking makes me want to puke.

No offense.

In comment 16592779 SGMen said:

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Here is the thing: the draft is a crapshoot and there is no guarantee the top 3 picks get you the QB of your dreams. So what you hope for first is that Daniel Jones flourishes this year and shows enough to make you believe he can be the SB capable guy. Odds are 1 in 100 based on his resume to date!!!! But 25 other teams have similar issues too, give or take.... IMHO. Simply put, will Jones be able to get the deep ball off AND utilize the underneath effectively when it’s not there? You have to hope as a fan he excels.

This is the absolute worst way to think about this. Take an oft-injured QB who has been no more than mediocre when healthy across 5 years, and pray for an outlier season from him so we can commit to him long term?

What you are suggesting is that, as a fan, what we need to hope for is false hope. Don’t get a good QB, hope a bad one simply becomes a good.

Hope for this year is fine - I hope Jones has a fantastic year. But when this season is done the Giants need to move on from him, not make future decisions that rely on outlier data sets repeating themselves. 2024 should not be a make or break year for Jones - that decision should be made already.

If I were a GM I'd take a QB in every draft, whether or not I had one. And I would never pass on a highly regarded prospect just because I felt I already had one (i.e. pass on Herbert because I have Jones).

QBs retain their value more than any other asset, and they need to show relatively little to improve their value significantly.

The self-imposed fallacy of the "franchise QB" makes teams do dumb things.

In comment 16592883 Go Terps said:

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If I were a GM I'd take a QB in every draft, whether or not I had one. And I would never pass on a highly regarded prospect just because I felt I already had one (i.e. pass on Herbert because I have Jones). QBs retain their value more than any other asset, and they need to show relatively little to improve their value significantly. The self-imposed fallacy of the "franchise QB" makes teams do dumb things.

I’m not opposed to this strategy at all at this point.

Is horribly outdated. There should be competition at all positions in the NFL, not everyone except QB. Since so many Jones defenders love to present Phil Simms as the blueprint for Jones, Phil Simms didn’t lock down the starting job until he earned it in 1984. He actually lost his starting job to Scott Brunner in 1983 when some idiot coach named Parcells picked Brunner over Simms.

If you want Daniel Jones to suddenly morph into Phil Simms, why skip the part in Simms’ development where he had to fight for the job? This has unquestionably been Jones’ job since the day he was drafted and then first put into the lineup. He’s never had a day of competition for it in the NFL.

Was “solid” ?

In comment 16593204 TyreeHelmet said:

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Was “solid” ?

It is if you use measure it using the scale of “the TDs were the result of Daniel Jones’ talent, and the turnovers were the fault of the offensive line and WRs.”