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| The Giants came in strong with an offer $3 to $4 million more than what he eventually accepted. |
Gary Zimmerman didn't want to live and work in the NY area, either. Whatcha gonna do?
Peace of mind is a good thing.
Tax guys earn their money with these guys. It’s got to be a nightmare keeping all that straight since taxes are based on the state in which each game is played
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I looked up Wisconsin taxes vs. New Jersey taxes and, at a glance, they're fairly similar. I doubt the tax rate made a big difference in his decision. It's not like Wisconsin is one of those no-income-tax states.
Some guys like the big city, some don't.
He also said it was better to wait in FA for a running back because the value was better and he did not stick to that so how are you so sure this is bullshit?
Agreed, if this is true we have the wrong GM.
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...Jacobs is exactly the type of guy that the Giants didn't want. A RB with significant wear on the tires with declining production.
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It does seem a bit contradictory. It is the athletic though. Who knows.
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Schoen specifically said he didn't want a $40 million QB handing off to a RB making $12 million.
He also said it was better to wait in FA for a running back because the value was better and he did not stick to that so how are you so sure this is bullshit?
Really? You don't see the difference to the tune of $10 mill per year.
I also see it as BS. Pay Josh Jacobs more money than Barkley?
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In comment 16592877 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...Jacobs is exactly the type of guy that the Giants didn't want. A RB with significant wear on the tires with declining production.
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It does seem a bit contradictory. It is the athletic though. Who knows.
Maybe a rumor spread by his agent to justify why he didn't get a big payday for his client? Kind of like "Hey, I got my guy a big deal, but he didn't want to play in NY!"
Gary Zimmerman didn't want to live and work in the NY area, either. Whatcha gonna do?
Zimmerman was a stud, too. I remember when that happened and Giants fans were NOT happy about it.
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In comment 16592869 Joey in VA said:
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Schoen specifically said he didn't want a $40 million QB handing off to a RB making $12 million.
He also said it was better to wait in FA for a running back because the value was better and he did not stick to that so how are you so sure this is bullshit?
Really? You don't see the difference to the tune of $10 mill per year.
I also see it as BS. Pay Josh Jacobs more money than Barkley?
You are emotional and make bad points as a result.
I never said there wasn’t a difference in price.
I said that JS went back on another comment he had about RBs so why should we expect him to keep his word on another when faced with other evidence to the contrary?
But yes, after all the talk of not spending big on RBs, this seems unlikely unless there were crazy low guarantees associated with the contract.
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Schoen specifically said he didn't want a $40 million QB handing off to a RB making $12 million.
He also said it was better to wait in FA for a running back because the value was better and he did not stick to that so how are you so sure this is bullshit?
How is paying Jacobs $15M/year a good value?
Right. Schoen seemed adamant on this.
I like Jacobs better than Barkley because he's a north-south, one-cut back. But he wasn't worth the investment either.
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In comment 16592877 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...Jacobs is exactly the type of guy that the Giants didn't want. A RB with significant wear on the tires with declining production.
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It does seem a bit contradictory. It is the athletic though. Who knows.
But the article indicates that Jacobs is the source of that offer. He could be BS’ing.
@rydunleavy
To my understanding -- and we all know I pay a lot of attention to RB contracts -- #Giants never made Josh Jacobs an actual offer.
Jacobs signed with #Packers about an hour before Saquon Barkley signed with #Eagles.
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He got $12MM per, so the article is suggesting they offered $15-$16MM per. That’s ridiculous and I don’t think it fits with this regime’s philosophy.
It could mean $3-4M more over the course of the contract, not per year.
But yes, after all the talk of not spending big on RBs, this seems unlikely unless there were crazy low guarantees associated with the contract.
You’re right, it does look like the offer was $3-4M more in total, not per year. Still paying Jacob’s 4/$52M sounds pretty crazy given how the SB negotiations went.
You know, champagne, cocaine, and women every night.
2) They valued Jacobs much higher than Saquan. Like significantly higher. Which would be needed to clear a high end RB swap with John Mara for more money. The league also seemed to value Saquan more so the Giants would be outliers.
Probably devoted more words than it needed because it doesn’t track at all.
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In comment 16592869 Joey in VA said:
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Schoen specifically said he didn't want a $40 million QB handing off to a RB making $12 million.
He also said it was better to wait in FA for a running back because the value was better and he did not stick to that so how are you so sure this is bullshit?
How is paying Jacobs $15M/year a good value?
I didn’t say it was. I’m pointing out that JS said the best FA RB deals happened when you patient to strike a bargain and then the Giants panicked and didn’t do that. Paying Singletary almost twice what he made last year and three times the years coming off a worse season than two seasons ago.
So the point isn’t that Jacobs was a good deal it was that the Giants don’t stick to their plan. (I’d guess due to John Mara’s palpitations)
@rydunleavy
To my understanding -- and we all know I pay a lot of attention to RB contracts -- #Giants never made Josh Jacobs an actual offer.
Jacobs signed with #Packers about an hour before Saquon Barkley signed with #Eagles.
Yeah I’m guessing this is correct. Doesn’t seem like Schoen would do this based on everything he’s said along with his actions.
I feel once Barkley flew the coop, Daboll and Schoen were set with signing Motor.
Part of that is surely going to a "winning" (even if just perceived) franchise. Or in our case, NOT!!
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In comment 16592869 Joey in VA said:
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Schoen specifically said he didn't want a $40 million QB handing off to a RB making $12 million.
He also said it was better to wait in FA for a running back because the value was better and he did not stick to that so how are you so sure this is bullshit?
Really? You don't see the difference to the tune of $10 mill per year.
I also see it as BS. Pay Josh Jacobs more money than Barkley?
You are emotional and make bad points as a result.
I never said there wasn’t a difference in price.
I said that JS went back on another comment he had about RBs so why should we expect him to keep his word on another when faced with other evidence to the contrary?
Emotional? You make up bullshit and when I pointed out that getting Singletary at value vs a high price RB is not Schoen going back on his remarks you call me emotional?
You are one strange ranger.
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Schoen specifically said he didn't want a $40 million QB handing off to a RB making $12 million.
He also said it was better to wait in FA for a running back because the value was better and he did not stick to that so how are you so sure this is bullshit?
He did wait, RBs flew off the board rather quickly when free agency started..The only notable RBs who got less AAV was Ekeler
Signing someone for almost 2X the AAV and 3X the years coming off a worse year is not a good value.
Some of you are so deep into the blue colored glasses it is alarming.
What they were clearly talking about is the kind of approach Houston had to getting Motor on an actual good deal last year. He did nothing to deserve anything more than that deal this year other than his agent knowing the Giants were desperate. A lot of agents seem to know how to do that with the Giants…
Could be.
A friend of mine grew up in a suburb of Albany.
Decades ago he moved to Texas for a couple years. He was asked a couple times if he had ever seen a tree before moving to Texas.
2) Why wasn't there anything on this in hard knocks?
3) Whether true or not, I'm happy it didn't happen. It's too much $. I actually think many will be pleasantly surprised by Singletary (and group).