Long gone are the days of 2007 and 2011, or even 1986, where the Giants lost their first game and went on to great seasons.
Week 1 has had strong predictive power for the last 12 years. Bad offensive lines and meh QB play? Say hello to the 2013, 2017, and 2023 openers. Completely useless defenses? 2014 and 2019 provide your foreshadowing right there.
On the other side of the spectrum, the Giants have won 2 openers since their last Super Bowl. Both times they went on to make the playoffs.
I don't see week 1 against Minnesota being any different. Seriously, what are the odds that this team loses to Sam Darnold at home in a 100th anniversary game and then goes on to have a solid season? I would run to DraftKings and bet on the adjusted under.
Long story short: given the circumstances and recent history, "it's only week 1" isn't likely to hold water with this team.
If they don't come out of that sequence 2-2 or better, with at least one division win, the season could go south very quickly. The October slate is @SEA, CIN, PHI, @PIT. 1-3 can become 1-7 before you can say "Pat Shurmur".
lol but yeah, two rough road environments plus two strong teams at home. It's not the worst slate in the world, namely because there's downside potential to all of these teams (and I'm not as bullish on the Eagles as others), but if the Giants resemble their 2023 selfs this is a 1-3 slate at best.
Yeah, there's no recovering from being in the hole. What are they going to do, play Drew Lock? In two weeks, they'll be going to the DeVito well again and will likely find out he was a 3-game wonder.
But yes, the above post is correct, can't get any worse than last year losing 40-0 to Dallas. Unless, the Vikings exact revenge and win 41-0 to get back at us for 2000, when all these players were like 2 years old or weren't even born.
As for Sam Darnold getting the best of us week 1, don't underestimate what kind of nonsense this team could pull.
As Eric says it can always be worse.
Will DJ stop telegraphing his passes?
Will red zone drives result in touchdowns?
Can the offense convert 3rd downs?
Can the defense stop 3rd-and-longs?
If by the end of the game we can confidently say "yes" to these things, then win or lose, the outcome won't be terrible.
Good point, and all the more reason the Giants' offense needs to come out strong. Make the Vikings one-dimensional.
We could be better in a lot of areas, but we’re not good enough to consistently pull off comebacks
We could be better in a lot of areas, but we’re not good enough to consistently pull off comebacks
It's interesting in retrospect to look at 2022. They were horrible in the 1st half against the Titans and relied on a missed chip shot to ultimately win, then looked actually kind of mediocre against a bad Panthers teams, and they played with good energy against the Cowboys in week 3 but eventually got overwhelmed. It was only against the Bears that the quality of the 2022 team start to emerge.
And that's why they just have to win this game and probably against the Commanders, because those banked early wins matter so much regardless of how you look.
Any DC area residents want to comment on what the info about Daniels has looked like in preseason and camp?
Any DC area residents want to comment on what the info about Daniels has looked like in preseason and camp?
You have to know at this point that WFT fans have always been completely deluded. I have no doubt they are already anointing him as the next Mahomes.
We fans have a lot of expectations. The players, coming off a crappy season, with a QB coming off an ACL, with a new defensive coordinator, shouldn't "expect to beat" Minnesota. They may be confident, they may have a great game plan, but they have to be hungry and super prepared, take nothing for granted. Plus they're a young team. Personally, I expect growing pains and an up-and-down start of the season. I have no idea what to expect.
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We could be better in a lot of areas, but we’re not good enough to consistently pull off comebacks
Because they're near the bottom of the barrel in points scored in recent years. Watch any YouTube "scoring highlight" Giants video for recent seasons. They don't get their first touchdown until the 3rd quarter or they score early on in the game and then that's it for the whole game and it's the next game (or two games later) in the highlight package.
I remember being done with him that week 1 Denver game in 2021 and I haven't been proven wrong really. I had my doubts about Jones and then game proved it. Denver was not a good team but he was just brutally bad in that game. He had one big throw early on and the TD came from a big catch and run from Sterling Shepard.
That dumbass fumble he had solidified it for me. He kind of redeemed himself next week vs Washington but, he's just always going to be that QB. Doesn't score points and has dumbass turnovers as he did in that Denver game and the pick 6 he threw vs Seattle with a wide open guy in the end zone.
Can't have that.
Did you start watching football last year? A week one loss, no matter who it is to, is just one loss. It happens all the time and it is no indicator of how this team may or may not play in a month. Week 1 is very fluky!
The Ravens beat the Texans by 17
The Jets beat the Bills
In week 2
The Colts beat the Texans by 11
Seahawks beat the Lions
And the Falcons beat the Packers
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for that reason - if we can’t beat this Minnesota team than we aren’t going to win many games this year.
Did you start watching football last year? A week one loss, no matter who it is to, is just one loss. It happens all the time and it is no indicator of how this team may or may not play in a month. Week 1 is very fluky!
The issue is that week 1 has been predictive of the Giants' season in the past decade plus, and it's hard to imagine 2024 being any different. I could be wrong, but if they lose to Minnesota and the offense looks mediocre, the secondary gets burned, etc. (basically 2021 redux), are we really going to bank on them beating Cleveland and Seattle on the road, and Dallas at home? They would be staring 1-4 in the face.
Its not like Daboll hasnt been able to generate surprise wins over better teams (TEN coming to mind) but you have to beat teams on your weight class and MIN is that, if they want to have a shot at the playoffs.
I remember being done with him that week 1 Denver game in 2021 and I haven't been proven wrong really. I had my doubts about Jones and then game proved it. Denver was not a good team but he was just brutally bad in that game. He had one big throw early on and the TD came from a big catch and run from Sterling Shepard.
That dumbass fumble he had solidified it for me. He kind of redeemed himself next week vs Washington but, he's just always going to be that QB. Doesn't score points and has dumbass turnovers as he did in that Denver game and the pick 6 he threw vs Seattle with a wide open guy in the end zone.
Can't have that.
Yeah, critical game for Jones. He's blundered through too many home openers in the past. The goaline interception versus Pittsburgh, the fumble against Denver, his whole performance versus Dallas. Even Carolina in 2022 was one of his weaker games that year, in which he didn't start making plays until the middle of the 3rd quarter.
If he comes out firing in this one, that would go a long way into making me feel optimistic for his prospects this season.
If the passing attack looks effective, that would make me a whole lot more bullish on the season, because there's a lot of speed and athleticism in the skill positions to utilize.
I definitely wouldn’t minimize it, since Jones has historically struggled in home openers. However, I wouldn’t pencil the Giants in for the playoffs yet since there are a lot tougher teams on the schedule.
Ascertainment bias. The Giants have been terrible, so most games have been losses and indicative of more losses to come. There is nothing of extra significance about Week 1.
Other teams are circling the Giants on their schedule and counting for a win, so I think week to week is a better way to appoach the season.
Good. It's about time. That's what he's paid to do and hopefully he can carry it into the next game and have himself a good season.
Likely ...
15/28, 187 yards ... 0 TD, 1 INT. 1 rushing TD.
Good. It's about time. That's what he's paid to do and hopefully he can carry it into the next game and have himself a good season.
Likely ...
15/28, 187 yards ... 0 TD, 1 INT. 1 rushing TD.
Jones last 2 games against Minnesota:
30/42 71.43% 334 1 TD, 1 INT. 34 rush yards.
24/35 68.57% 301 2 TD, 0 INT. 78 rush yards.
Those games were good games for Jones, true. The argument, from my stance, was the numbers I presented were more common in his case.
Let's see what your hero can do against Minnesota without Barkley this weekend.
Hopefully, for once, you guys are actually right this time around. This is getting boring.
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And yet you think 15/28 for 187 yards with 0 TD, 1 INT, and 1 rushing TD is likely. That's what's called being irrationally negative just for the sake of being negative. But, hey, get it all out now. You haters are so afraid that Jones will have a good season that you're spewing all your vile while you still have the chance.
Not afraid if DJ has a good season. Only afraid of what the Giants think is a good season.
In the meanwhile we have to put up with your views of a good DJ season.
I could understand defending Eli this when he got crap because he actually won. But this "i must defend Jones because of all the people who hate him" mentality, when he's done nothing as a Giant, is what makes the DJFC a reality
Not sure about DJ but would guess his play is similar to last year and probably wildly inconsistent.
The Ravens beat the Texans by 17
The Jets beat the Bills
In week 2
The Colts beat the Texans by 11
Seahawks beat the Lions
And the Falcons beat the Packers
The point is the Giants have been different and week 1 has been a good indicator as to how the rest of the year would pan out.