Eli Manning #8 in TOP 100 Giants

LT

#1 ... Duh

Curious where Strahan falls.

In comment 16593825 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Curious where Strahan falls.

He was 5. Eli 8 seems harsh.

Harry Carson should be over Eli? I thought the whole list was a mess giving a lot of priority to some real old time Giants but it's impossible to really rank all these players together like this.

it doesn't hurt to try.

In comment 16593831 GF1080 said:

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In comment 16593825 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Curious where Strahan falls. He was 5. Eli 8 seems harsh. Harry Carson should be over Eli?

Yes. I think he has the second most pro bowl appearances in team history, one behind LT.

Behind LT and Strahan.

of the leather helmet 3 is ridiculous.

Its hard comparing players from different eras

In comment 16593870 ElitoCanton said:

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of the leather helmet 3 is ridiculous.

probably not, he was a monster in his day - played both ways, league MVP, 2-time champion, multiple all-star

One of the greatest football players that ever walked on earth.

But you could argue Eli should be #1 because of his actions on and off the field. He's certainly represented the NYG brand better than LT, who has been a disaster off the field...

is a great accomplishment with the rich history of the franchise.

Since '81, I would go LT, Eli, Strahan, Carson and Simms. Harry was a critical component to Parcells becoming a great HC imv.

as the game is just evolving so much and so fast.

People here talk about Eli's 2011 season, and yes it was beautiful to watch and the reason I'll always defend him when others say he wasn't all that.

But let's put a guy like Frank Gifford in context. In 13 years, he made 8 Pro Bowls. He had a 5 year stretch of dominance from 1955-1959 where he did the following...

- 4x 1st team All-Pro
- 1x 2nd Team All-Pro
- Top 2 in Yards from Scrimmage during 3 of those years
- 3 NFL Championship Appearances
- 1956 NFL MVP
- 1956 NFL Champion

That's an amazing prime for any player, nothing short of dominant. But let's take a more specific look at that 1956 season which is on the shortlist for best in Giants history.

1956 Frank Gifford
- NFL MVP
- Led League in Yards from Scrimmage
- 3rd in league in TDs including his 2 passing TDs
- Led team to NFL Championship appearance
- 161 yards + 1 TD on 9 touches in that game
- Giants win NFL Champ 47-7 over the Bears
- Probably wins "NFL Champ Game MVP" if such a thing existed

Just imagine if we had a player who accomplished that in 2011 like Eli did. Imagine how much ass-kissing and worshipping we'd do to that player? I mean '86 LT is the only remotely close thing we have to that in the "modern" era.

He was NFL 1st team All-1950s, had a sensational 5 year stretch as one of the very best players in the sport, had a monstrous/historic peak 1956 season which led to both individual and team greatness.

If you said he's #2 to LT, I'd have no problem with that.

Ray Flaherty?

I kid.

Gifford for his marriage choice.

In comment 16593895 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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as the game is just evolving so much and so fast. People here talk about Eli's 2011 season, and yes it was beautiful to watch and the reason I'll always defend him when others say he wasn't all that. But let's put a guy like Frank Gifford in context. In 13 years, he made 8 Pro Bowls. He had a 5 year stretch of dominance from 1955-1959 where he did the following... - 4x 1st team All-Pro - 1x 2nd Team All-Pro - Top 2 in Yards from Scrimmage during 3 of those years - 3 NFL Championship Appearances - 1956 NFL MVP - 1956 NFL Champion That's an amazing prime for any player, nothing short of dominant. But let's take a more specific look at that 1956 season which is on the shortlist for best in Giants history. 1956 Frank Gifford - NFL MVP - Led League in Yards from Scrimmage - 3rd in league in TDs including his 2 passing TDs - Led team to NFL Championship appearance - 161 yards + 1 TD on 9 touches in that game - Giants win NFL Champ 47-7 over the Bears - Probably wins "NFL Champ Game MVP" if such a thing existed Just imagine if we had a player who accomplished that in 2011 like Eli did. Imagine how much ass-kissing and worshipping we'd do to that player? I mean '86 LT is the only remotely close thing we have to that in the "modern" era. He was NFL 1st team All-1950s, had a sensational 5 year stretch as one of the very best players in the sport, had a monstrous/historic peak 1956 season which led to both individual and team greatness. If you said he's #2 to LT, I'd have no problem with that.

Gifford was also a massive star in New York before the game really broke through nationally. An all-time player.

In comment 16593873 bluefin said:

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In comment 16593870 ElitoCanton said: Quote: of the leather helmet 3 is ridiculous. probably not, he was a monster in his day - played both ways, league MVP, 2-time champion, multiple all-star

thank you. NFL all-time #1 Center for Top 100 all time players, 23rd on NFL 75th anniversary team.

Eli at 3.

He did get benched though, twice.

:-)

and I'd probably put Eli 3rd behind LT and Gifford.

Can’t leave Rosy Brown and Emlen Tunnel out of the top 5 or 6.

In comment 16593831 GF1080 said:

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In comment 16593825 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Curious where Strahan falls. He was 5. Eli 8 seems harsh. Harry Carson should be over Eli? I thought the whole list was a mess giving a lot of priority to some real old time Giants but it's impossible to really rank all these players together like this.

Yes Harry should be ahead of Eli. Not a knock on Eli at all. Nine pro bowls for Harry Carson. Nine!

In comment 16593895 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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as the game is just evolving so much and so fast. People here talk about Eli's 2011 season, and yes it was beautiful to watch and the reason I'll always defend him when others say he wasn't all that. But let's put a guy like Frank Gifford in context. In 13 years, he made 8 Pro Bowls. He had a 5 year stretch of dominance from 1955-1959 where he did the following... - 4x 1st team All-Pro - 1x 2nd Team All-Pro - Top 2 in Yards from Scrimmage during 3 of those years - 3 NFL Championship Appearances - 1956 NFL MVP - 1956 NFL Champion That's an amazing prime for any player, nothing short of dominant. But let's take a more specific look at that 1956 season which is on the shortlist for best in Giants history. 1956 Frank Gifford - NFL MVP - Led League in Yards from Scrimmage - 3rd in league in TDs including his 2 passing TDs - Led team to NFL Championship appearance - 161 yards + 1 TD on 9 touches in that game - Giants win NFL Champ 47-7 over the Bears - Probably wins "NFL Champ Game MVP" if such a thing existed Just imagine if we had a player who accomplished that in 2011 like Eli did. Imagine how much ass-kissing and worshipping we'd do to that player? I mean '86 LT is the only remotely close thing we have to that in the "modern" era. He was NFL 1st team All-1950s, had a sensational 5 year stretch as one of the very best players in the sport, had a monstrous/historic peak 1956 season which led to both individual and team greatness. If you said he's #2 to LT, I'd have no problem with that.

Frank Gifford was also a national superstar. The brett favre of his time. Theres something to be said for that level of stardom.

The guy was named All Pro at 3 different positions
He still holds the Giants franchise record for touchdowns scored.

Gifford returned punt and kicks

But I watched it in full, and I have to say I agreed. Mel Hein was the MVP of the NFL at OC. An offensive lineman was the MVP of the league and he played both ways at an all pro level. Strahan ahead of Harry Carson? Absolutely. All time sack leader, single season sack record and absolute leader of that team. Carson considered leaving football at one point, he was a curmudgeony guy, sure he led but he's not the superstar and leader that Strahan was.

Long before my time, but Gifford had an amazing playing career. Of course I only remember him for his MNF days, his marriage to Kathy Lee, & the affair he had with that woman that broke in the late '90s.

you could probably mix and match the top 8-10 players and have a good argument for any of them anywhere.

In comment 16594278 section125 said:

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you could probably mix and match the top 8-10 players and have a good argument for any of them anywhere.

I'm still pissed C.C. Brown didn't make the top ten. That man was robbed, :-)

In comment 16593876 bw in dc said:

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One of the greatest football players that ever walked on earth. But you could argue Eli should be #1 because of his actions on and off the field. He's certainly represented the NYG brand better than LT, who has been a disaster off the field...

Learn how to separate the Art from the Artist. It'll give you a brand new perspective on many things both inside and outside of football.

In comment 16594321 BMac said:

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In comment 16593876 bw in dc said: Quote: One of the greatest football players that ever walked on earth. But you could argue Eli should be #1 because of his actions on and off the field. He's certainly represented the NYG brand better than LT, who has been a disaster off the field... Learn how to separate the Art from the Artist. It'll give you a brand new perspective on many things both inside and outside of football.

In this specific exercise, there's no reason to. If the Giants are the franchise we like to think they are, then what you do off the field should matter.

Giant fan: 68 years old. Isolated , sketchy memories of ‘63. Sustained memories from 65 .
1. Willie Williams did not belong in the Top 100 , even with the 10 interceptions in 14 games. No offense .
2. Troy Archer definitely should have been included . He only played 3 seasons-ok. But Nicks basically had a 3-season career.
3. BVP should have been much higher than 27, I think it was. He was a better player than fellow Sparty Banks. Both were great . Their positions should have essentially
4. Ron Johnson should have been much higher than the 70s.
5. I love George Martin but he is not the 25th greatest Giant of all-time.
6. Generally speaking I thought the leather helmet, nerf football era guys were treated fairly . You rank them by how they performed against their peers.
7. They nailed the Top 10, with the exception being Eli & Phil should have flipped . Simms was the better QB .
8. You knew Hein & Gifford would be at the very top . They were Mara family favorites but both were richly deserved, regardless .
9. The Tisch family has had half this team’s ownership since 90. Not a mention . If I were one of the sons I would feel slighted for their Dad.
10. Pleasantly surprised that Harry Carson was ranked over Sam Huff . Again , justified .

In all , that was a fun summer exercise .

Due to his playoff and Superbowl impact, but to the voter's credit, they didn't overweigh the players from the recent era over the Huffs, Giffords, Browns, Tunells. Guys who had multiple all-pro seasons.

When I watched it, the reasoning made sense to me.

In comment 16594321 BMac said:

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In comment 16593876 bw in dc said: Quote: One of the greatest football players that ever walked on earth. But you could argue Eli should be #1 because of his actions on and off the field. He's certainly represented the NYG brand better than LT, who has been a disaster off the field... Learn how to separate the Art from the Artist. It'll give you a brand new perspective on many things both inside and outside of football.

Is this another Chris Benoit speech?

Center was a more important position in the Single Wing era of the NFL. And even more so in the Giants’ version of it - the A Formation. Hein was required to snap the ball to any of the four players in the backfield and in any direction. And sometimes to a player in motion. His ability made the most complex offense in the NFL (at the time) work.

In comment 16594285 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 16594278 section125 said: Quote: you could probably mix and match the top 8-10 players and have a good argument for any of them anywhere. I'm still pissed C.C. Brown didn't make the top ten. That man was robbed, :-)

What about Elvis Paterson. Now that's an outrage

It was the best part of the game.


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