$2.5 million in incentives. Total possible payday = $7.5MM
After I posted I did some research - and your numbers are more in line with these projections
Spotrac believes Jackson could earn a four-year contract worth over $11MM per year on the open market. That still feels a bit optimistic in light of Jackson’s subpar 2023, and PFF projects a much more modest one-year pact worth $7MM
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
i think it's going to be pretty close to minimum with incentives
considering nobody else had even visited him this doesnt seem like a situation where teams were interested but at a different price. it seems like there may not have been much interest at all.
ill say it's a max VSB fully guaranteed, with like $500k in per game roster bonuses he can hit just by being healthy/playing, plus another $1m or so in NLTBE bonuses bringing total max value to like 2.5m.
RE: RE: Considering his couch was a distinct possibility of his best offer
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
RE: RE: RE: Considering his couch was a distinct possibility of his best offer
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
OK arm-chair GM you think paying Adoree more than the vet minimum is a blunder? (and if more - how much?)
Who do you start at CB#2 ?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Considering his couch was a distinct possibility of his best offer
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
OK arm-chair GM you think paying Adoree more than the vet minimum is a blunder? (and if more - how much?)
Who do you start at CB#2 ?
His value is just above vet minimum with incentives to keep him interested during the season if needed.
Him starting as CB#2 would already signal Schoen’s blunders at the position. Paying him like #2 would be salt in that wound.
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
Why? Who gives a rats ass if it's even $10MM? It's a one year deal; the '25 cap is $260 million.
People bitch about how the Eagles spend at will without cap worries; they do that with void years; last I saw they're currently at $350 million in overhang. The Giants are at $0.
I think the total numbers will be higher than most predicitions here.
The structure could get very interesting. They can craft some bespoke incentives that would be classified as NLTBE but would really be quite attainable for a healthy starting corner. For example: more than ten games in which he plays over 80% of the defensive snaps, or more than eight games in which he plays over 90% of those snaps. If Jackson is CB1 or CB2, he will seldom come off the field. They can also reward him for dressing more than fourteen times, but that's a crude metric since five CBs will probably be active on game day and the bottom guys won't play much.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Considering his couch was a distinct possibility of his best offer
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
Why? Who gives a rats ass if it's even $10MM? It's a one year deal; the '25 cap is $260 million.
I’d rather pay for the rat’s ass.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Considering his couch was a distinct possibility of his best offer
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
OK arm-chair GM you think paying Adoree more than the vet minimum is a blunder? (and if more - how much?)
Who do you start at CB#2 ?
His value is just above vet minimum with incentives to keep him interested during the season if needed.
Him starting as CB#2 would already signal Schoen’s blunders at the position. Paying him like #2 would be salt in that wound.
Is your armchair more comfortable now?
From my arm chair - Adoree is worth more than that to this team.
I agree that needing to sign him shows blunders at drafting CBs, though, IMO, doubling down by not signing him would be the bigger blunder that this point.
By all accounts they wanted Kool-Aid or Lassiter in the 2nd but they were gone
We will see - but both Nubin and Phillips look like legit starters in the secondary (and are likely starting vs the Vikings)
Poor planning and acting desperate is a NY Giants staple.
Paying too much is usually the net outcome when that happens.
Adoree has no real value for this team. He is the mistake of the moment. Give those snaps to guys drafted and better determine whether they are worth keeping.
RE: Poor planning and acting desperate is a NY Giants staple.
Paying too much is usually the net outcome when that happens.
Adoree has no real value for this team. He is the mistake of the moment. Give those snaps to guys drafted and better determine whether they are worth keeping.
Disagreement #1 - he DOES have value as the 1 or 2 best outside CBs on the team
Disagreement #2 - they already gave those snaps to the young guys and it was determined that they are not ready
If you think Flott, McCloud or Hawkins are better than Adoree, we definitely disagree.
RE: Poor planning and acting desperate is a NY Giants staple.
Give those snaps to guys drafted and better determine whether they are worth keeping.
No one is complaining about giving the snaps to 3 veteran FA pickups on the OL. Maybe they already know what they have in the draft picks in both cases or maybe they want to give them some time to develop
Paying too much is usually the net outcome when that happens.
Adoree has no real value for this team. He is the mistake of the moment. Give those snaps to guys drafted and better determine whether they are worth keeping.
Disagreement #1 - he DOES have value as the 1 or 2 best outside CBs on the team
Disagreement #2 - they already gave those snaps to the young guys and it was determined that they are not ready
If you think Flott, McCloud or Hawkins are better than Adoree, we definitely disagree.
Maybe one or more are, or will be by next season. Neither case impugns this signing. Whether you think he'd rank 20th or 50th he's a proven, starter-quality corner. There's no world where a team has too many of those.
but since there have been no restructures, it cannot be very big.
I do think Jackson is likely still better than what is on the roster behind Banks. But it does give the Giants time to work with the other CBs without game day pressure.
I seriously doubt he will play much this weekend, perhaps in some 6 DB sets. Last thing they need is a guy overextending and pulling a hammy or calf right away.
Many are in a panic about the CB position opposite of Banks
And now they got one of, if not the best guy still on the market who although he had a bad year last year is going to be 29 and 2 years from being a very good corner. The contract is most likely very reasonable, this is all a very good outcome and may go a long way towards plugging the biggest hole on the team, be happy;
RE: RE: Poor planning and acting desperate is a NY Giants staple.
Give those snaps to guys drafted and better determine whether they are worth keeping.
No one is complaining about giving the snaps to 3 veteran FA pickups on the OL. Maybe they already know what they have in the draft picks in both cases or maybe they want to give them some time to develop
You mean the OL pickups they targeted and signed early in free agency because they were perceived as valuable additions?
Was Adoree attracting their (or anyone's) attention back in March? Come on, bring a relevant point.
After I posted I did some research - and your numbers are more in line with these projections
Spotrac believes Jackson could earn a four-year contract worth over $11MM per year on the open market. That still feels a bit optimistic in light of Jackson’s subpar 2023, and PFF projects a much more modest one-year pact worth $7MM
My guess is 1.5 in guaranteed salary 500k in active roster bonuses.
Additional 500-800K in performance escalators.
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
ill say it's a max VSB fully guaranteed, with like $500k in per game roster bonuses he can hit just by being healthy/playing, plus another $1m or so in NLTBE bonuses bringing total max value to like 2.5m.
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I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
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this season, it better be cheap.
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
OK arm-chair GM you think paying Adoree more than the vet minimum is a blunder? (and if more - how much?)
Who do you start at CB#2 ?
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this season, it better be cheap.
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
OK arm-chair GM you think paying Adoree more than the vet minimum is a blunder? (and if more - how much?)
Who do you start at CB#2 ?
His value is just above vet minimum with incentives to keep him interested during the season if needed.
Him starting as CB#2 would already signal Schoen’s blunders at the position. Paying him like #2 would be salt in that wound.
Is your armchair more comfortable now?
We'd like all these guys to be Rudy Ruttiger, but it is what it is. They are commodities that need to protect themselves.
AJ also played some hard-nosed ball for us. I have zero doubt if the Giants are playing meaningful games, he'll show up.
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this season, it better be cheap.
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
Why? Who gives a rats ass if it's even $10MM? It's a one year deal; the '25 cap is $260 million.
People bitch about how the Eagles spend at will without cap worries; they do that with void years; last I saw they're currently at $350 million in overhang. The Giants are at $0.
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this season, it better be cheap.
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
Why? Who gives a rats ass if it's even $10MM? It's a one year deal; the '25 cap is $260 million.
I’d rather pay for the rat’s ass.
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this season, it better be cheap.
I think a lot of people here will be disappointed with the contract. His opportunities were likely not ending with the start of the season. It is easy to view last season as the aberration, explained by lack of effort under the circumstances. Yes, it's a factor, but he is a plug and play #2 NFL CB. If a team needs that - there's a real value.
If you are right then it’s a blunder by Schoen.
OK arm-chair GM you think paying Adoree more than the vet minimum is a blunder? (and if more - how much?)
Who do you start at CB#2 ?
His value is just above vet minimum with incentives to keep him interested during the season if needed.
Him starting as CB#2 would already signal Schoen’s blunders at the position. Paying him like #2 would be salt in that wound.
Is your armchair more comfortable now?
From my arm chair - Adoree is worth more than that to this team.
I agree that needing to sign him shows blunders at drafting CBs, though, IMO, doubling down by not signing him would be the bigger blunder that this point.
By all accounts they wanted Kool-Aid or Lassiter in the 2nd but they were gone
We will see - but both Nubin and Phillips look like legit starters in the secondary (and are likely starting vs the Vikings)
Adoree has no real value for this team. He is the mistake of the moment. Give those snaps to guys drafted and better determine whether they are worth keeping.
Adoree has no real value for this team. He is the mistake of the moment. Give those snaps to guys drafted and better determine whether they are worth keeping.
Disagreement #1 - he DOES have value as the 1 or 2 best outside CBs on the team
Disagreement #2 - they already gave those snaps to the young guys and it was determined that they are not ready
If you think Flott, McCloud or Hawkins are better than Adoree, we definitely disagree.
No one is complaining about giving the snaps to 3 veteran FA pickups on the OL. Maybe they already know what they have in the draft picks in both cases or maybe they want to give them some time to develop
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Paying too much is usually the net outcome when that happens.
Adoree has no real value for this team. He is the mistake of the moment. Give those snaps to guys drafted and better determine whether they are worth keeping.
Disagreement #1 - he DOES have value as the 1 or 2 best outside CBs on the team
Disagreement #2 - they already gave those snaps to the young guys and it was determined that they are not ready
If you think Flott, McCloud or Hawkins are better than Adoree, we definitely disagree.
Maybe one or more are, or will be by next season. Neither case impugns this signing. Whether you think he'd rank 20th or 50th he's a proven, starter-quality corner. There's no world where a team has too many of those.
I do think Jackson is likely still better than what is on the roster behind Banks. But it does give the Giants time to work with the other CBs without game day pressure.
I seriously doubt he will play much this weekend, perhaps in some 6 DB sets. Last thing they need is a guy overextending and pulling a hammy or calf right away.
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Give those snaps to guys drafted and better determine whether they are worth keeping.
No one is complaining about giving the snaps to 3 veteran FA pickups on the OL. Maybe they already know what they have in the draft picks in both cases or maybe they want to give them some time to develop
You mean the OL pickups they targeted and signed early in free agency because they were perceived as valuable additions?
Was Adoree attracting their (or anyone's) attention back in March? Come on, bring a relevant point.