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| 31. New York Giants Preseason vibes: Feisty at least The Giants were fined $200,000 for a series of fights during joint practices with the Lions. Detroit was fined, too. The difference is that might be the most competitive the Giants are this season. The Athletic’s win projections have New York at 6.7, the fourth-lowest total in the league. Rookie wide receiver Malik Nabers, who was right in the middle of the practice fights, at least looks like the real deal, so he’ll make New York interesting. |
I don't think 7 is the floor. Without rehashing everything that we argue about all the time on this board, the floor is lower.
HAHAHAHA. 7 is the floor? Good god the delusion is real.
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but 31st is too low. Barring injury, I think 7 wins is the floor, 10 the ceiling. This roster is significantly better than last year’s, and that team won 6 games despite a slew of injuries. I just can’t see this year being worse.
HAHAHAHA. 7 is the floor? Good god the delusion is real.
The Vegas over/under is 6.5, so if you believe the floor is 7, then you think the Vegas odds are massively mispriced and should be throwing as much money as you can at the over....Something tells me people are not doing that, because 7 is quite obviously not the floor.
He did in 2022 under this same regime.
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but 31st is too low. Barring injury, I think 7 wins is the floor, 10 the ceiling. This roster is significantly better than last year’s, and that team won 6 games despite a slew of injuries. I just can’t see this year being worse.
HAHAHAHA. 7 is the floor? Good god the delusion is real.
The Vegas over/under is 6.5, so if you believe the floor is 7, then you think the Vegas odds are massively mispriced and should be throwing as much money as you can at the over....Something tells me people are not doing that, because 7 is quite obviously not the floor.
I'm not saying that they will win less than 7 games. I'm saying that if the QB is garbage for this team, their floor is way less than 7 games. Their floor is the worst team in football.
Yes we’re all sick of losing. And yes, the Giants haven’t given us much to get excited about. And yes, most of BBI is miserable that we didn’t replace DJ this year. But JFC, can’t you at least look at the bright side a little bit? Especially before we even play a game and don’t know how this team plays this year?
We have one of the youngest starting teams in the league. We have one of the fastest, most athletic teams in the league and by far the most talent in years. I don’t care what our record is this year, I know going in we’re not contending for a superbowl. But I’m looking forward to watching Nabers turn into a star, watching the development of Hyatt, W. Robinson, Theo, an the OL. I’m looking forward to see our defensive front with Dex, Burns and Thibs and maybe a hidden gem in Chatman. I know our Secondary will have issues this year that’s going to drive us crazy, but I’m still excited to see Banks in his 2nd year, Phillips in the nickel, and Nubin, Pinnock and Belton develop.
Just a couple of years ago the only thing to look forward to was Barkley and Dex.
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but 31st is too low. Barring injury, I think 7 wins is the floor, 10 the ceiling. This roster is significantly better than last year’s, and that team won 6 games despite a slew of injuries. I just can’t see this year being worse.
HAHAHAHA. 7 is the floor? Good god the delusion is real.
The Vegas over/under is 6.5, so if you believe the floor is 7, then you think the Vegas odds are massively mispriced and should be throwing as much money as you can at the over....Something tells me people are not doing that, because 7 is quite obviously not the floor.
I'm not saying that they will win less than 7 games. I'm saying that if the QB is garbage for this team, their floor is way less than 7 games. Their floor is the worst team in football.
Yup yup I was agreeing with you.
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Until DJ can show he can rise above the criticism, we are probably being graded on our QB room.
He did in 2022 under this same regime.
With an offense that got figured out and Saquon looking like his rookie year for 7 games.
The circumstances around 2024 are vastly different than 2022. Everyone is expecting Jones to look like he did in his 5 non-injured games last year
We should be right in there with the regular bad teams - Vikings, Titans, Saints, Raiders, Broncos, etc.
But I'm not gonna spend time complaining that "we only suck a little, not a lot". The team just has to go out and prove the media wrong.
Yes we’re all sick of losing. And yes, the Giants haven’t given us much to get excited about. And yes, most of BBI is miserable that we didn’t replace DJ this year. But JFC, can’t you at least look at the bright side a little bit? Especially before we even play a game and don’t know how this team plays this year?
We have one of the youngest starting teams in the league. We have one of the fastest, most athletic teams in the league and by far the most talent in years. I don’t care what our record is this year, I know going in we’re not contending for a superbowl. But I’m looking forward to watching Nabers turn into a star, watching the development of Hyatt, W. Robinson, Theo, an the OL. I’m looking forward to see our defensive front with Dex, Burns and Thibs and maybe a hidden gem in Chatman. I know our Secondary will have issues this year that’s going to drive us crazy, but I’m still excited to see Banks in his 2nd year, Phillips in the nickel, and Nubin, Pinnock and Belton develop.
Just a couple of years ago the only thing to look forward to was Barkley and Dex.
Who is saying to just give up? Was the OP wrong for posting a power ranking that you don't like? People aren't saying to forfeit or anything, just commenting on their expectations for the season? Why is that seen as so traitorous?
Also, we don't have the one of the youngest teams in the league. The Giants aren't even top 10 is youngest teams in the league
Seriously, why do people get so worked up over crap like this? It MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Its like preseason polls in College Football....useless....with the problem there being that they actually mean something! How are those FSU preseason rankings looking right about now??? If the Giants are still at 31 several weeks in to the season, then yeah, panic, go nuts, burn your Giants stuff whatever....but at least at that point there will have been games played to form the basis for the ranking.
I know, he gets 1 more year to prove himself right?
Schoen, they don't move off GM's too frequently.
Absolutely. And the people crapping on the Commanders...they can easily beat us twice.
But I also don’t blame any power rankings that has us in the bottom 5. Personally I love being the underdog and proving everyone wrong.
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Let’s just forfeit all our games so we don’t have any injuries and wear & tear on our players and wait until the power rankings next summer to see if we should forfeit next season too.
Yes we’re all sick of losing. And yes, the Giants haven’t given us much to get excited about. And yes, most of BBI is miserable that we didn’t replace DJ this year. But JFC, can’t you at least look at the bright side a little bit? Especially before we even play a game and don’t know how this team plays this year?
We have one of the youngest starting teams in the league. We have one of the fastest, most athletic teams in the league and by far the most talent in years. I don’t care what our record is this year, I know going in we’re not contending for a superbowl. But I’m looking forward to watching Nabers turn into a star, watching the development of Hyatt, W. Robinson, Theo, an the OL. I’m looking forward to see our defensive front with Dex, Burns and Thibs and maybe a hidden gem in Chatman. I know our Secondary will have issues this year that’s going to drive us crazy, but I’m still excited to see Banks in his 2nd year, Phillips in the nickel, and Nubin, Pinnock and Belton develop.
Just a couple of years ago the only thing to look forward to was Barkley and Dex.
Who is saying to just give up? Was the OP wrong for posting a power ranking that you don't like? People aren't saying to forfeit or anything, just commenting on their expectations for the season? Why is that seen as so traitorous?
Also, we don't have the one of the youngest teams in the league. The Giants aren't even top 10 is youngest teams in the league
I’m saying all summer, people keep posting the power rankings before the season. This is possibly the 10th time since the draft people posted the power rankings. No shit we’re going to be in the bottom of every ranking, but people take it seriously around here like these meaningless idiots at ESPN, or some random writer onlines rankings are gospel. I never understood how people take these rankings so seriously. Most of these morons either have a dislike for the Giants and shit on them any chance they get. (Lombardi, Ross, Riddick) or they make these rankings to get attention to get traffic to their sites or social media accounts with likes, view and retweets. Just look at the BS and lies Dan Pompei posted about the Giants offer to Jacobs. He said he heard it directly from Jacobs mouth. Then retracted it by saying, after looking into it I was told they never made an offer. Yet he originally quoted Jacobs himself. Such bs. My point being most of the media posts stupid shit just to get traffic. None of it means anything.
Most people here have more knowledge than any of them. I just find it useless to post this stuff because it’s meaningless. But to each their own.
If we're better than expected this year, they'll pick us to regress next year.
Its going to take multiple years of being good, or a new QB to stop the bottom 5 projections.
No one really said bias. It’s just easy to assume bad teams will stay bad. Again, for the 100th time, the nfl historical landscape is littered with teams no one ever saw coming. If you think Vegas odds guarantees anytime you’re lost. If you also think Vegas or the vast majority of saw the following legendary runs coming, please prove it:
99 rams
01 pats
05-11 giants
Doesn’t mean nyg win this season , but save me this fear of the Vegas odds stuff. It means nothing.
I know, he gets 1 more year to prove himself right?
Schoen, they don't move off GM's too frequently.
Conversely, nearly everyone loved the 2013 giants. No one liked 2016 giants but they all loved 2017 giants didn’t they. Dont remember? Go look for yourself.
Good teams that emerged from the ashes of a wilderness or rebuild usually fool just about everyone. I can prove and have time and time again only for the same people to either ignore that. That’s fine too. I have no issues with threads or the discussions but some of you insist on placing a ton of credence on this shit. Again, go look at history. I ain’t making shit up.
Vegas takes the safe approach. It’s why they are Vegas.
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Conversely, nearly everyone loved the 2013 giants. No one liked 2016 giants but they all loved 2017 giants didn’t they. Dont remember? Go look for yourself.
Good teams that emerged from the ashes of a wilderness or rebuild usually fool just about everyone. I can prove and have time and time again only for the same people to either ignore that. That’s fine too. I have no issues with threads or the discussions but some of you insist on placing a ton of credence on this shit. Again, go look at history. I ain’t making shit up.
Vegas takes the safe approach. It’s why they are Vegas.
And Vegas is right more than they're way wrong, and if you had the ability to figure out which teams they're wrong about beforehand, you'd be a rich(er) man.
Spoiler — giants ranked 28th
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1997 nyg coming. 2000 nyg coming. 2005 nyg coming. 2007 ?? lol please. 2011 yeah sure they did.
Conversely, nearly everyone loved the 2013 giants. No one liked 2016 giants but they all loved 2017 giants didn’t they. Dont remember? Go look for yourself.
Good teams that emerged from the ashes of a wilderness or rebuild usually fool just about everyone. I can prove and have time and time again only for the same people to either ignore that. That’s fine too. I have no issues with threads or the discussions but some of you insist on placing a ton of credence on this shit. Again, go look at history. I ain’t making shit up.
Vegas takes the safe approach. It’s why they are Vegas.
And Vegas is right more than they're way wrong, and if you had the ability to figure out which teams they're wrong about beforehand, you'd be a rich(er) man.
I’ll say it again, most outlets, be it espn, Vegas, or you and I, do not see the good team emerging from the ashes of a long running bad team or even just a bad year. It’s what have you done lately.
It’s not hard to get more of these picks right than wrong. I can do that too.
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1997 nyg coming. 2000 nyg coming. 2005 nyg coming. 2007 ?? lol please. 2011 yeah sure they did.
Conversely, nearly everyone loved the 2013 giants. No one liked 2016 giants but they all loved 2017 giants didn’t they. Dont remember? Go look for yourself.
Good teams that emerged from the ashes of a wilderness or rebuild usually fool just about everyone. I can prove and have time and time again only for the same people to either ignore that. That’s fine too. I have no issues with threads or the discussions but some of you insist on placing a ton of credence on this shit. Again, go look at history. I ain’t making shit up.
Vegas takes the safe approach. It’s why they are Vegas.
And Vegas is right more than they're way wrong, and if you had the ability to figure out which teams they're wrong about beforehand, you'd be a rich(er) man.
I’ll say it again, most outlets, be it espn, Vegas, or you and I, do not see the good team emerging from the ashes of a long running bad team or even just a bad year. It’s what have you done lately.
It’s not hard to get more of these picks right than wrong. I can do that too.
So if you admit they're right more than they're wrong then it does make sense to put some credence in it, doesn't it? If you knew a weighted coin was 70% heads 30% tails, it would make sense to expect a head even though tails will happen a lot, right?
Yeah, this looks excessively pessimistic. I’d place the team in the 25-28 range, not 31.
Watch me be totally wrong :)
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1997 nyg coming. 2000 nyg coming. 2005 nyg coming. 2007 ?? lol please. 2011 yeah sure they did.
Conversely, nearly everyone loved the 2013 giants. No one liked 2016 giants but they all loved 2017 giants didn’t they. Dont remember? Go look for yourself.
Good teams that emerged from the ashes of a wilderness or rebuild usually fool just about everyone. I can prove and have time and time again only for the same people to either ignore that. That’s fine too. I have no issues with threads or the discussions but some of you insist on placing a ton of credence on this shit. Again, go look at history. I ain’t making shit up.
Vegas takes the safe approach. It’s why they are Vegas.
And Vegas is right more than they're way wrong, and if you had the ability to figure out which teams they're wrong about beforehand, you'd be a rich(er) man.
I’ll say it again, most outlets, be it espn, Vegas, or you and I, do not see the good team emerging from the ashes of a long running bad team or even just a bad year. It’s what have you done lately.
It’s not hard to get more of these picks right than wrong. I can do that too.
So if you admit they're right more than they're wrong then it does make sense to put some credence in it, doesn't it? If you knew a weighted coin was 70% heads 30% tails, it would make sense to expect a head even though tails will happen a lot, right?
Ive made my point pretty clearly. These power rankings rarely if ever see the good team coming if that team was coming off a bad year or stretch of bad years.
We’re here to discuss things and offer a counter point. I did that. I said it already that they do get some right but if your bad last season you’re usually picked to be bad this season too. If you’re good last season you’re picked to be good this season unless that team decimated in the offseason. 70-30 % isn’t the point at all.
Giants need to change the perception. Only way to do that is to win. I get picking against them but it doesn't mean they can't surprise people. Both golden eras of NYG football were not predicted to happen. 1984 wasn't supposed to be good. Neither was 2005 (although I do remember many on BBI being relatively optimistic that summer).
We'll see. WRs and front 7 need to carry the day and the OL needs to block and the secondary can't be god awful even if it's going to be vulnerable. There's a difference between the two.