(According to the giants.com depth chart). He has sucked his whole career and looked terrible his only preseason game here. Other than salary I don’t know how you put him above DeVito.
Tyrod Taylor was here for not one, but two full seasons. And so many insisted he was better than jones heading into 22 but he lasted that whole year then was brought back for 23.
The same team that publicly acknowledged they wanted to move up and tried to move up for a qb is afraid to push jones with some journeyman. You get that even if they didn’t really “try” to trade up for Maye that even implying they tried is enough to stir shit up right? Gimme a fucking break.
The whole reason they moved on from TT is because they didn't want 2 injury prone QB's going down and have to start Devito. Lock has been relatively injury free
I dunno, when the GM says Plan A is keep Taylor, and the head coach does that Roberto De Niro "OK" mouth shrug and says "So same quarterback room as last year?" And then both say "Cool" -- I took that to mean they wanted Taylor back.
Obviously Schoen thinks you're clueless or he wouldn't've signed Lock to a $5M contract. So you have to ask yourself one question: are you better at evaluating talent from your couch than Schoen is with millions of dollars in resources at his disposal and decades of scouting experience? I gots to know - ( New Window )
You dont need to be a professional talent evaluator to know Drew Lock is not a great backup. And the Giants got worse at the position. Honestly, Brian Daboll told the world that when he said he would rather have Tyrod Taylor over Lock on Hard Knocks
I dunno, when the GM says Plan A is keep Taylor, and the head coach does that Roberto De Niro "OK" mouth shrug and says "So same quarterback room as last year?" And then both say "Cool" -- I took that to mean they wanted Taylor back.
Yes, they wanted TT back. TT signed with Jets for more money. End of TT.
I think we all kinda know how things went down, so it's probably not completely accurate to say the reason he's gone is because of his injury history.
The Giants chose the cheaper, horrific player instead of the more expense less reliable player.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
I think we all kinda know how things went down, so it's probably not completely accurate to say the reason he's gone is because of his injury history.
The Giants chose the cheaper, horrific player instead of the more expense less reliable player.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
That's all good man, but when you get a load of Drew Lock for an extended period of time, those will be minor complaints.
I'm Fine With Tyrod Taylor Not Returning As Backup QB
I'll take my chances with a 27 year old who potentially (admittedly not likely) has a higher ceiling and longer remaining career than a 35 year old who is often hurt and has a declining ceiling.
Some teams don't lose a beat when the backup steps in (1990 Giants with Hostetler), for others, it's season over.
Lets move on there is nothing to see here .Whatever QB we draft next year will suck. Schoen and Daboll and their scouts suck. All our future qb draft picks will suck. The Giants will permanently be in suckitude. So being A Giant fan will always cause angst. So can we stop all quarterback threads .
"They tried to trade up for Maye!" doesn't impact the QB depth chart. Imagine it's 2004 again. Accorsi coveted Eli. He tried to trade up but couldn't get it done. Accorsi didn't like Ben or Rivers, so he took the best non QB on the board. Would we have read, "well he tried to trade up for Eli!" after that draft?
The QB depth chart is weak. No matter what Schoen tried to do, the depth chart is what it is.
And if Nix has a big year with Denver, what did Schoen miss? If Penix or McCarthy are ultimately good players, same thing.
The only thing that shuts people up is acquiring a QB who can play. But, as long as the QB room is Jones-Lock-DeVito, fans will rightfully complain.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
Taylor was one of the best deep ball throwers in the league last season.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
Taylor was one of the best deep ball throwers in the league last season.
He threw one that was caught in stride - to Slayton. He constantly was away behind the WR. I can picture 3 to Hyatt alone that were two to three yards short.
I think we all kinda know how things went down, so it's probably not completely accurate to say the reason he's gone is because of his injury history.
The Giants chose the cheaper, horrific player instead of the more expense less reliable player.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
That's all good man, but when you get a load of Drew Lock for an extended period of time, those will be minor complaints.
If he was so bad, why did Pete Carroll want him back?
"They tried to trade up for Maye!" doesn't impact the QB depth chart. Imagine it's 2004 again. Accorsi coveted Eli. He tried to trade up but couldn't get it done. Accorsi didn't like Ben or Rivers, so he took the best non QB on the board. Would we have read, "well he tried to trade up for Eli!" after that draft?
The QB depth chart is weak. No matter what Schoen tried to do, the depth chart is what it is.
And if Nix has a big year with Denver, what did Schoen miss? If Penix or McCarthy are ultimately good players, same thing.
The only thing that shuts people up is acquiring a QB who can play. But, as long as the QB room is Jones-Lock-DeVito, fans will rightfully complain.
If the QB production is poor this year I don’t know if the better-than-expected 2025 QB draft class should redeem them. What if Jones plays well but gets injured by week 6? We’d be wasting the time of a lot of promising players on rookie deals.
The only explanation which you've mentioned is they like Jones. They don't like him enough to restructure his contract or commit any more money beyond this season, but they like him enough for 2024. They value Jones+Nabers over McCarthy/Nix/Penix. They think he can lead the group to the playoffs.
It's probably as simple as that. So, yes. If it's a disaster I'm not sure they should get that chance to redeem themselves.
I think we all kinda know how things went down, so it's probably not completely accurate to say the reason he's gone is because of his injury history.
The Giants chose the cheaper, horrific player instead of the more expense less reliable player.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
That's all good man, but when you get a load of Drew Lock for an extended period of time, those will be minor complaints.
If he was so bad, why did Pete Carroll want him back?
He didn't want him bad enough that his advisement compelled the new coach and GM to pay 5M for him.
The only explanation which you've mentioned is they like Jones. They don't like him enough to restructure his contract or commit any more money beyond this season, but they like him enough for 2024. They value Jones+Nabers over McCarthy/Nix/Penix. They think he can lead the group to the playoffs.
It's probably as simple as that. So, yes. If it's a disaster I'm not sure they should get that chance to redeem themselves.
I liked Nix best of that group. But obviously they didn't like anyone better than Nabers and I can see the thought there. The best WR vs the 4th QB.
as he has been a major disappointment most of his career, but none of that frustration should lead to the delusional belief that DeVito is a starting QB in this league. Great story for a desperate team last year, but the Giants have only two solutions--either some late blossoming of Jones into a quality QB or a full blown commitment to bringing in a quality QB next year either through free agency or the draft.
LOL, the old Milton appeal to authority trick. This applies to Rabbit Foot Dave too, correct?
Better check your premises. Appeal to Authority applies to experts/famous people in a different area of expertise promoting something completely outside that area. Example: (dating myself here) Lee Trevino promoting automobile tires.
That's why the medicans wanna lock us out ! Capese?
Actually, it's more likely pro Italian. If DeVito's name was Smith, he lived in Missouri, and his mom made him walleye filets it probably would never be brought up.
Obviously Schoen thinks you're clueless or he wouldn't've signed Lock to a $5M contract. So you have to ask yourself one question: are you better at evaluating talent from your couch than Schoen is with millions of dollars in resources at his disposal and decades of scouting experience? I gots to know - ( New Window )
If they brought in anyone better, that player would actually challenge Jones for the starting position, and that would be unfair to poor Daniel. The last thing Mara wants is the crowd chanting for a the backup to come in, and what better way to prevent that than to make sure the backup sucks and has absolutely no potential
That’s heck of a narrative you created in your mind
Unfortunately the alternative might just be that they're not especially good at improving the QB position on this roster, because Lock is worse than Taylor and no other changes were made.
So you're right that it's a speculative narrative, but when you consider the alternative explanations, it might be the least bad suggestion.
Obviously Schoen thinks you're clueless or he wouldn't've signed Lock to a $5M contract. So you have to ask yourself one question: are you better at evaluating talent from your couch than Schoen is with millions of dollars in resources at his disposal and decades of scouting experience? I gots to know - ( New Window )
Given the Giants' actual performance, how can you rule that out?
Drew Lock is MILES ahead of Tommy DeVito in nearly every quality an NFL qb should have.
Seriously. DeVito is not a NFL QB. He had preseason to show what he could do and he looked no better than he did last year. And that was against backups.
If the starters for most of the teams in the NFL goes down, they are done. The odds of having a Kurt Warner style backup come in and make a splash are astronomical.
The same thing here. Schoen had better hope Lock can do a better job than DeVito if DJ goes down, because he'll have to justify why he spent 5 Million on this guy not only to the fans but John Mara. At least DeVito was able to win some games at the position with this team...with Lock, who knows?
When Jones is your starter- yes it does. It should have been a fully open qb competition and make Jones win the job. It's nuts they didn't do that.
I think the most fascinating question about the 2024 Giants is what you presented a few weeks back. There are two realistic scenarios:
1. The team bottoms out similar to 2021. There becomes overwhelming pressure from the fan base to reset again and Mara does it. Fresh start at GM, HC, QB in 2025 after a 4-13 type season.
2. The team is a fringe wildcard team. Let's say 8-9. Everyone returns in 2025, but they are out of range for QB in the draft. They approach 2025 as a build around Jones season to take the next step.
What is preferable? I really think that is where this is headed, one of those scenarios.
DeVito isn't any good. There are some on BBI who live in this fantasy that they see a good QB because he threw for 150 yards against GB and they credit him for the win and not our Def that had 4 turnovers.
BW is saying is trying and failing is not acceptable.
If the Pats said, "we want your entire next 3 DRAFTS", we should have said sure! cause now we've got our QB!!
I understand bias, but takes like this are just laughable.
Locke was signed because he fit the room, and has the arm and mobility to run Daboll's offense should he have to play.
This says it all….lol..God bless Sicily!
Devito is by far the worst.
So Lock slips into middle.
So I assume the Giants will still have to determine if De Vito or Lock was the "backup", with the other being the "emergency" QB?
I'm really hoping Nabers turns out to be all that he is projected to be, including what "Number 1" means.
His ceiling is a combo of OBJ and Hakeem Nicks.
He said on Hard Knocks he wasn't excited about paying both Jones and a #1 pick Qb.
Devito is by far the worst.
So Lock slips into middle.
This reminds of that time you, me, and Terps started that R&B group.
Terps was by far the best, I was the worst. You slipped right there in the middle.
Forget about the cap, that's 25M in check
to Maye, 36M in check Jones, and 5M to Lock for 2025.
The same team that publicly acknowledged they wanted to move up and tried to move up for a qb is afraid to push jones with some journeyman. You get that even if they didn’t really “try” to trade up for Maye that even implying they tried is enough to stir shit up right? Gimme a fucking break.
The whole reason they moved on from TT is because they didn't want 2 injury prone QB's going down and have to start Devito. Lock has been relatively injury free
You dont need to be a professional talent evaluator to know Drew Lock is not a great backup. And the Giants got worse at the position. Honestly, Brian Daboll told the world that when he said he would rather have Tyrod Taylor over Lock on Hard Knocks
Yes, they wanted TT back. TT signed with Jets for more money. End of TT.
The Giants chose the cheaper, horrific player instead of the more expense less reliable player.
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Jones is the best of the 3.
Devito is by far the worst.
So Lock slips into middle.
This reminds of that time you, me, and Terps started that R&B group.
Terps was by far the best, I was the worst. You slipped right there in the middle.
Wait a second - you hate Lock. You bastid!!!
The Giants chose the cheaper, horrific player instead of the more expense less reliable player.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
And I'll be real. None of that "Jones didn't play well in 2022" goal line moving. If he's a good, bring me the fork and knife.
The Giants chose the cheaper, horrific player instead of the more expense less reliable player.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
That's all good man, but when you get a load of Drew Lock for an extended period of time, those will be minor complaints.
Some teams don't lose a beat when the backup steps in (1990 Giants with Hostetler), for others, it's season over.
The QB depth chart is weak. No matter what Schoen tried to do, the depth chart is what it is.
And if Nix has a big year with Denver, what did Schoen miss? If Penix or McCarthy are ultimately good players, same thing.
The only thing that shuts people up is acquiring a QB who can play. But, as long as the QB room is Jones-Lock-DeVito, fans will rightfully complain.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
Taylor was one of the best deep ball throwers in the league last season.
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Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
Taylor was one of the best deep ball throwers in the league last season.
He threw one that was caught in stride - to Slayton. He constantly was away behind the WR. I can picture 3 to Hyatt alone that were two to three yards short.
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I think we all kinda know how things went down, so it's probably not completely accurate to say the reason he's gone is because of his injury history.
The Giants chose the cheaper, horrific player instead of the more expense less reliable player.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
That's all good man, but when you get a load of Drew Lock for an extended period of time, those will be minor complaints.
If he was so bad, why did Pete Carroll want him back?
The QB depth chart is weak. No matter what Schoen tried to do, the depth chart is what it is.
And if Nix has a big year with Denver, what did Schoen miss? If Penix or McCarthy are ultimately good players, same thing.
The only thing that shuts people up is acquiring a QB who can play. But, as long as the QB room is Jones-Lock-DeVito, fans will rightfully complain.
If the QB production is poor this year I don’t know if the better-than-expected 2025 QB draft class should redeem them. What if Jones plays well but gets injured by week 6? We’d be wasting the time of a lot of promising players on rookie deals.
It's probably as simple as that. So, yes. If it's a disaster I'm not sure they should get that chance to redeem themselves.
The Giants chose the cheaper, horrific player instead of the more expense less reliable player.
Frankly, I am glad he is gone. Hurt all the time. Throws too many balls on short hops. Throws too many deep balls short. But again, if he was any good he would not be a backup.
That's all good man, but when you get a load of Drew Lock for an extended period of time, those will be minor complaints.
If he was so bad, why did Pete Carroll want him back?
He didn't want him bad enough that his advisement compelled the new coach and GM to pay 5M for him.
It's probably as simple as that. So, yes. If it's a disaster I'm not sure they should get that chance to redeem themselves.
I liked Nix best of that group. But obviously they didn't like anyone better than Nabers and I can see the thought there. The best WR vs the 4th QB.
Because of a salad??? The word, my ignorant friend, is "capisce."
Better check your premises. Appeal to Authority applies to experts/famous people in a different area of expertise promoting something completely outside that area. Example: (dating myself here) Lee Trevino promoting automobile tires.
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That's why the medicans wanna lock us out ! Capese?
Actually, it's more likely pro Italian. If DeVito's name was Smith, he lived in Missouri, and his mom made him walleye filets it probably would never be brought up.
More likely catfish and hush puppies.
Not better than Schoen, just you.
This is who the Giants are these days.
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If they brought in anyone better, that player would actually challenge Jones for the starting position, and that would be unfair to poor Daniel. The last thing Mara wants is the crowd chanting for a the backup to come in, and what better way to prevent that than to make sure the backup sucks and has absolutely no potential
That’s heck of a narrative you created in your mind
Unfortunately the alternative might just be that they're not especially good at improving the QB position on this roster, because Lock is worse than Taylor and no other changes were made.
So you're right that it's a speculative narrative, but when you consider the alternative explanations, it might be the least bad suggestion.
Given the Giants' actual performance, how can you rule that out?
Seriously. DeVito is not a NFL QB. He had preseason to show what he could do and he looked no better than he did last year. And that was against backups.
The same thing here. Schoen had better hope Lock can do a better job than DeVito if DJ goes down, because he'll have to justify why he spent 5 Million on this guy not only to the fans but John Mara. At least DeVito was able to win some games at the position with this team...with Lock, who knows?
When Jones is your starter- yes it does. It should have been a fully open qb competition and make Jones win the job. It's nuts they didn't do that.
I don't see why what he wanted matters. If he wanted to draft Maye and/or sign a better backup than Lock, he failed.
The Giants are going into 2024 with what is almost certainly the worst QB situation in the NFL. I doubt anyone else has a poorer quality/cost ratio.
"Schoen tried to trade up for Maye" is no excuse for poor performance this year.
I think the most fascinating question about the 2024 Giants is what you presented a few weeks back. There are two realistic scenarios:
1. The team bottoms out similar to 2021. There becomes overwhelming pressure from the fan base to reset again and Mara does it. Fresh start at GM, HC, QB in 2025 after a 4-13 type season.
2. The team is a fringe wildcard team. Let's say 8-9. Everyone returns in 2025, but they are out of range for QB in the draft. They approach 2025 as a build around Jones season to take the next step.
What is preferable? I really think that is where this is headed, one of those scenarios.
For a large portion of this base, just the act of trying is heroic. And more than good enough...
And never actually made an offer...
He said on Hard Knocks he wasn't excited about paying both Jones and a #1 pick Qb.
Yeah, that's management-ese for "don't draft a QB"
If the Pats said, "we want your entire next 3 DRAFTS", we should have said sure! cause now we've got our QB!!
I understand bias, but takes like this are just laughable.
Locke was signed because he fit the room, and has the arm and mobility to run Daboll's offense should he have to play.