Neither one has the balls to call it as we see it.
Holmes should not be closing out games period. 11 is a big number for any closer yet at 10 he walked him out to get number 11.
You leave Jason D in the minors and continue to let Verdugo play.
You bring up speed and the guy doesn’t even attempt to steal the base last night.
You have Wells sitting on the bench and should have pinch hit in the 8th.
What exactly is Boone good for doing….cheerleading?
No balls at all.
Only thing I disagree with is Wells is DTD after getting hit on the hand.
I have to say that I’m glad I fell asleep before Holmes
blew the game. Couldn’t have been a surprise though. He was one batter away from blowing game 1 of the series, but Gleyber (of all people) made a spectacular defensive play.
Wells is hurt I think, but he could’ve won the ROY if he had more PT. Instead Cowser will win it and get the O’s another pick. While we were all convinced Dominguez was kept down there because of some masterplan, well….
We all hate Verdugo but he's had a good few weeks.
He has that.
I still cringe when he steps in the box with a guy on. He's already at a career high GIDP with a month to play.
Realistically though, with all the shit and the slumps and the zombie vets, Holmes is by far the biggest problem. Even a "normal" high blown save number and the Yanks are 3 games up on the Orioles and have baseball's best record.
Realistically though, with all the shit and the slumps and the zombie vets, Holmes is by far the biggest problem. Even a "normal" high blown save number and the Yanks are 3 games up on the Orioles and have baseball's best record.
3 games? He has blown 11. Take it to a realistic and expected 8 saves out of that 11. They are up by 7 or 8 games.
He cannot be brought out in a save situation again. I think he should be DFA'd. He is demoralizing to the team. But realistically, he could be a first man out of the pen - 6th inning or a 7th inning.
Right now Weaver seems to be the most reliable. They want Gil as a starter, but he could be a closer. He is throwing 97/98 as starter. Touches 100. Means he could possibly exceed that for 15/18 pitches. That new slider could be a killer.
They pulled Holmes last year from closing. They can do it again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How about David Robertson? Cashnan said he couldn’t close in 2014.
3 games? He has blown 11. Take it to a realistic and expected 8 saves out of that 11. They are up by 7 or 8 games.
He cannot be brought out in a save situation again. I think he should be DFA'd. He is demoralizing to the team. But realistically, he could be a first man out of the pen - 6th inning or a 7th inning.
Right now Weaver seems to be the most reliable. They want Gil as a starter, but he could be a closer. He is throwing 97/98 as starter. Touches 100. Means he could possibly exceed that for 15/18 pitches. That new slider could be a killer.
They pulled Holmes last year from closing. They can do it again.
I said a "normal" high blown saves. 6 is median.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: How about David Robertson? Cashnan said he couldn’t close in 2014.
3 games? He has blown 11. Take it to a realistic and expected 8 saves out of that 11. They are up by 7 or 8 games.
He cannot be brought out in a save situation again. I think he should be DFA'd. He is demoralizing to the team. But realistically, he could be a first man out of the pen - 6th inning or a 7th inning.
Right now Weaver seems to be the most reliable. They want Gil as a starter, but he could be a closer. He is throwing 97/98 as starter. Touches 100. Means he could possibly exceed that for 15/18 pitches. That new slider could be a killer.
They pulled Holmes last year from closing. They can do it again.
I said a "normal" high blown saves. 6 is median.
Ok, I was saying what a decent closer would have done. So different POVs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: How about David Robertson? Cashnan said he couldn’t close in 2014.
3 games? He has blown 11. Take it to a realistic and expected 8 saves out of that 11. They are up by 7 or 8 games.
He cannot be brought out in a save situation again. I think he should be DFA'd. He is demoralizing to the team. But realistically, he could be a first man out of the pen - 6th inning or a 7th inning.
Right now Weaver seems to be the most reliable. They want Gil as a starter, but he could be a closer. He is throwing 97/98 as starter. Touches 100. Means he could possibly exceed that for 15/18 pitches. That new slider could be a killer.
They pulled Holmes last year from closing. They can do it again.
I said a "normal" high blown saves. 6 is median.
Ok, I was saying what a decent closer would have done. So different POVs.
Ya. Replace him with a good closer and this team is lapping the field right now.
on 8 pitches, not even close to the plate and Chisolm swings and pops up the 1st pitch he sees. WTF is he batting 4th. There are times when the take sign is important.
Yet somehow he gets guys out and up his game against the yanks. His fastball looks like Tim Leary circa 1990. Annoys me.
This reference is slightly before my time, but I'm assuming it is not a compliment lol.
Yea not the acid tripping hippie Timothy Leary but the right handed pitching Tim Leary who I believe was drafted by the Mets, blew his arm out, went to the dodgers and pitched well while getting a ring. Then he went to the reds and didn’t suck in 89. Went to the yanks in 90 and threw the most hittable straight fucking fastball known to mankind. He pitched to a 6.49 era in 1991. He’s lucky it wasn’t worse.
Reached the 140 inning threshold for 2026 to vest at $18.3M.
Not looking forward to it. He's had some decent results recently, until tonight, but his stuff is his stuff. He aims off the plate because bad things happen when he throws strikes.
From there he will be paid $18 million in 2024 and $18 million in 2025.
The deal comes with an option for the 2026 season and it belongs to Stroman. But he can only trigger it if he throws 140 innings in 2025. That option is also for $18 million.
From there he will be paid $18 million in 2024 and $18 million in 2025.
The deal comes with an option for the 2026 season and it belongs to Stroman. But he can only trigger it if he throws 140 innings in 2025. That option is also for $18 million.
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OK thanks. Spotrac says 2024 vests for 2026, but I'll presume that's wrong.
Verdugo. He can’t be gritty with his gold chain from the bench?
Are they seriously thinking about retaining him when Soto leaves for a higher bid? Even so benching him now doesn’t make us diehards feel any differently, it’s not like we don’t know he sucks. Why would the Red Sox trade him to younif he was any good?
Do they actually think he has more upside than Dominguez in the playoffs? Do they not see LHP’s will eat them alive? I don’t care what Dominguez’s split is he’s better than Verdugo.
This is such a clusterfuck that some fans here will hope Dominguez fails so they can say I told you so….
Verdugo. He can’t be gritty with his gold chain from the bench?
Are they seriously thinking about retaining him when Soto leaves for a higher bid? Even so benching him now doesn’t make us diehards feel any differently, it’s not like we don’t know he sucks. Why would the Red Sox trade him to younif he was any good?
Do they actually think he has more upside than Dominguez in the playoffs? Do they not see LHP’s will eat them alive? I don’t care what Dominguez’s split is he’s better than Verdugo.
This is such a clusterfuck that some fans here will hope Dominguez fails so they can say I told you so….
Reading your whiny ass posts makes me feel dumber every time.
you the one putting down Dominguez for striking out against the best pitcher in AL during his one game cameo? Admit it, you are waiting to pounce when he doesn’t light it on fire right off the bat.
A reasonable approach would be to let your mega prospect gain as much experience as possible, without giving away his rookie status, and see if he can contribute during the playoffs. A stupid approach would be to keep trotting out your hated rival’s reject who’s been atrocious for months and won’t be here next year.
What’s there to argue? I know there is a lot of self-proclaimed baseball savants here who like to hurl insults around like baseball isn’t just a game and there are no absolutes, but geez….
you the one putting down Dominguez for striking out against the best pitcher in AL during his one game cameo? Admit it, you are waiting to pounce when he doesn’t light it on fire right off the bat.
A reasonable approach would be to let your mega prospect gain as much experience as possible, without giving away his rookie status, and see if he can contribute during the playoffs. A stupid approach would be to keep trotting out your hated rival’s reject who’s been atrocious for months and won’t be here next year.
What’s there to argue? I know there is a lot of self-proclaimed baseball savants here who like to hurl insults around like baseball isn’t just a game and there are no absolutes, but geez….
No, you are just whining and unhinged constantly. Approaching prdave73 territory.
For days people speculated that they kept Dominguez down there because of this masterplan of trying to get a 2026 first round pick and we were all too dumb to realize it. Nope, it was simply because Cashman and Boone preferred Verdugo.
But this is just one example, of many. I obviously don’t like Cashman and think he’s done less with more. Yet Hal has tolerated this. Worse, some fans are letting him get away with it.
RE: It’s all about perspective. And how you feel about Cashman.
For days people speculated that they kept Dominguez down there because of this masterplan of trying to get a 2026 first round pick and we were all too dumb to realize it. Nope, it was simply because Cashman and Boone preferred Verdugo.
But this is just one example, of many. I obviously don’t like Cashman and think he’s done less with more. Yet Hal has tolerated this. Worse, some fans are letting him get away with it.
Dominguez should be up, no doubt. Why a track star was brought up, I haven't a clue because from what I understand Dominguez is quite fast and an excellent base stealer.
But I am curious, just how are fans "letting" him get away with it? Exactly how are fans involved in running the team's player decisions?
I, for one, only want Dominguez up if he plays everyday. If they aren't playing him everyday it is hurting him. Yes, he should probably supplant Verdugo full time in the lineup. We know Verdugo has a bit of an attitude and has wornout his welcome before. How does him sitting affect the locker room? Will it be necessary to let him go like they did with Chapman a few years back?
Legit questions and concerns as it affects the entire team. Also Berti? What do they do with him? Where are they putting him?
Cash has done a shit job recently and this year in particular with the obvious BP woes. This team would be 8 games up(or more) with the pens from the previous 4 or so years.
Someone from reddit discussion had a good line, he
just arrrived in a time machine feom 2009 and was wondering how many more championships the Yanks have won and how Heathcott has turned out.
How many of us would’ve thought back then we wouldn’t see another WS after 15 years and 3B dollars?
Ultimately it doesn’t matter. Hal gets to fawn over the revenue numbers, Cashman and Boone get to operate without accountability. As fans our only recourse is to bitch on forums. The least people can do is not to engage in extreme mental gymnastics and bend over backwards to rationalize these idiots’ moves.
Brian Cashman said the Alex Verdugo-Jasson Dominguez decision comes down to what gives the Yankees the best chance to win. Right now, they believe Verdugo in LF gives them the best chance. Cashman - ( New Window )
RE: The Cashman quote today on Dominguez is absurd
Brian Cashman said the Alex Verdugo-Jasson Dominguez decision comes down to what gives the Yankees the best chance to win. Right now, they believe Verdugo in LF gives them the best chance. Cashman - ( New Window )
I’m truly dumbfounded. As time passes, I’ve become even more convinced that this is all about player control and that possible draft pick. But the Yankees trying to gaslight fans and the media about what Alex Verdugo is or what he could be is shocking. There has to be more to this story beyond rank incompetence by the Yankees. Right?
There are no issues of player control or draft picks re JD
Brian Cashman said the Alex Verdugo-Jasson Dominguez decision comes down to what gives the Yankees the best chance to win. Right now, they believe Verdugo in LF gives them the best chance. Cashman - ( New Window )
And, he would be lying.
RE: RE: The Cashman quote today on Dominguez is absurd
Brian Cashman said the Alex Verdugo-Jasson Dominguez decision comes down to what gives the Yankees the best chance to win. Right now, they believe Verdugo in LF gives them the best chance. Cashman - ( New Window )
And, he would be lying.
Cashman's ego can't withstand the thought of one of his acquistions being DFA'd or benched, because that would make him look bad. That's all this is about. They deserve to lose with this clown as the GM.
Holmes should not be closing out games period. 11 is a big number for any closer yet at 10 he walked him out to get number 11.
You leave Jason D in the minors and continue to let Verdugo play.
You bring up speed and the guy doesn’t even attempt to steal the base last night.
You have Wells sitting on the bench and should have pinch hit in the 8th.
What exactly is Boone good for doing….cheerleading?
No balls at all.
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Dude is still pitching at age 39.
Wells is hurt I think, but he could’ve won the ROY if he had more PT. Instead Cowser will win it and get the O’s another pick. While we were all convinced Dominguez was kept down there because of some masterplan, well….
We all hate Verdugo but he's had a good few weeks.
He has that.
I still cringe when he steps in the box with a guy on. He's already at a career high GIDP with a month to play.
Realistically though, with all the shit and the slumps and the zombie vets, Holmes is by far the biggest problem. Even a "normal" high blown save number and the Yanks are 3 games up on the Orioles and have baseball's best record.
Duke Ellis just passed gas in the Yankee dugout.
Realistically though, with all the shit and the slumps and the zombie vets, Holmes is by far the biggest problem. Even a "normal" high blown save number and the Yanks are 3 games up on the Orioles and have baseball's best record.
3 games? He has blown 11. Take it to a realistic and expected 8 saves out of that 11. They are up by 7 or 8 games.
He cannot be brought out in a save situation again. I think he should be DFA'd. He is demoralizing to the team. But realistically, he could be a first man out of the pen - 6th inning or a 7th inning.
Right now Weaver seems to be the most reliable. They want Gil as a starter, but he could be a closer. He is throwing 97/98 as starter. Touches 100. Means he could possibly exceed that for 15/18 pitches. That new slider could be a killer.
They pulled Holmes last year from closing. They can do it again.
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3 games? He has blown 11. Take it to a realistic and expected 8 saves out of that 11. They are up by 7 or 8 games.
He cannot be brought out in a save situation again. I think he should be DFA'd. He is demoralizing to the team. But realistically, he could be a first man out of the pen - 6th inning or a 7th inning.
Right now Weaver seems to be the most reliable. They want Gil as a starter, but he could be a closer. He is throwing 97/98 as starter. Touches 100. Means he could possibly exceed that for 15/18 pitches. That new slider could be a killer.
They pulled Holmes last year from closing. They can do it again.
I said a "normal" high blown saves. 6 is median.
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3 games? He has blown 11. Take it to a realistic and expected 8 saves out of that 11. They are up by 7 or 8 games.
He cannot be brought out in a save situation again. I think he should be DFA'd. He is demoralizing to the team. But realistically, he could be a first man out of the pen - 6th inning or a 7th inning.
Right now Weaver seems to be the most reliable. They want Gil as a starter, but he could be a closer. He is throwing 97/98 as starter. Touches 100. Means he could possibly exceed that for 15/18 pitches. That new slider could be a killer.
They pulled Holmes last year from closing. They can do it again.
I said a "normal" high blown saves. 6 is median.
Ok, I was saying what a decent closer would have done. So different POVs.
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3 games? He has blown 11. Take it to a realistic and expected 8 saves out of that 11. They are up by 7 or 8 games.
He cannot be brought out in a save situation again. I think he should be DFA'd. He is demoralizing to the team. But realistically, he could be a first man out of the pen - 6th inning or a 7th inning.
Right now Weaver seems to be the most reliable. They want Gil as a starter, but he could be a closer. He is throwing 97/98 as starter. Touches 100. Means he could possibly exceed that for 15/18 pitches. That new slider could be a killer.
They pulled Holmes last year from closing. They can do it again.
I said a "normal" high blown saves. 6 is median.
Ok, I was saying what a decent closer would have done. So different POVs.
Ya. Replace him with a good closer and this team is lapping the field right now.
This reference is slightly before my time, but I'm assuming it is not a compliment lol.
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Yet somehow he gets guys out and up his game against the yanks. His fastball looks like Tim Leary circa 1990. Annoys me.
This reference is slightly before my time, but I'm assuming it is not a compliment lol.
Yea not the acid tripping hippie Timothy Leary but the right handed pitching Tim Leary who I believe was drafted by the Mets, blew his arm out, went to the dodgers and pitched well while getting a ring. Then he went to the reds and didn’t suck in 89. Went to the yanks in 90 and threw the most hittable straight fucking fastball known to mankind. He pitched to a 6.49 era in 1991. He’s lucky it wasn’t worse.
Pathetic performance again.
Reached the 140 inning threshold for 2026 to vest at $18.3M.
Not looking forward to it. He's had some decent results recently, until tonight, but his stuff is his stuff. He aims off the plate because bad things happen when he throws strikes.
The deal comes with an option for the 2026 season and it belongs to Stroman. But he can only trigger it if he throws 140 innings in 2025. That option is also for $18 million.
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From there he will be paid $18 million in 2024 and $18 million in 2025.
The deal comes with an option for the 2026 season and it belongs to Stroman. But he can only trigger it if he throws 140 innings in 2025. That option is also for $18 million.
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OK thanks. Spotrac says 2024 vests for 2026, but I'll presume that's wrong.
So true and the way this team is playing right now on both sides of the ball IMO they are in trouble
Are they seriously thinking about retaining him when Soto leaves for a higher bid? Even so benching him now doesn’t make us diehards feel any differently, it’s not like we don’t know he sucks. Why would the Red Sox trade him to younif he was any good?
Do they actually think he has more upside than Dominguez in the playoffs? Do they not see LHP’s will eat them alive? I don’t care what Dominguez’s split is he’s better than Verdugo.
This is such a clusterfuck that some fans here will hope Dominguez fails so they can say I told you so….
Are they seriously thinking about retaining him when Soto leaves for a higher bid? Even so benching him now doesn’t make us diehards feel any differently, it’s not like we don’t know he sucks. Why would the Red Sox trade him to younif he was any good?
Do they actually think he has more upside than Dominguez in the playoffs? Do they not see LHP’s will eat them alive? I don’t care what Dominguez’s split is he’s better than Verdugo.
This is such a clusterfuck that some fans here will hope Dominguez fails so they can say I told you so….
Reading your whiny ass posts makes me feel dumber every time.
A reasonable approach would be to let your mega prospect gain as much experience as possible, without giving away his rookie status, and see if he can contribute during the playoffs. A stupid approach would be to keep trotting out your hated rival’s reject who’s been atrocious for months and won’t be here next year.
What’s there to argue? I know there is a lot of self-proclaimed baseball savants here who like to hurl insults around like baseball isn’t just a game and there are no absolutes, but geez….
A reasonable approach would be to let your mega prospect gain as much experience as possible, without giving away his rookie status, and see if he can contribute during the playoffs. A stupid approach would be to keep trotting out your hated rival’s reject who’s been atrocious for months and won’t be here next year.
What’s there to argue? I know there is a lot of self-proclaimed baseball savants here who like to hurl insults around like baseball isn’t just a game and there are no absolutes, but geez….
No, you are just whining and unhinged constantly. Approaching prdave73 territory.
Believe me I know. I am good at it.
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But this is just one example, of many. I obviously don’t like Cashman and think he’s done less with more. Yet Hal has tolerated this. Worse, some fans are letting him get away with it.
But this is just one example, of many. I obviously don’t like Cashman and think he’s done less with more. Yet Hal has tolerated this. Worse, some fans are letting him get away with it.
Dominguez should be up, no doubt. Why a track star was brought up, I haven't a clue because from what I understand Dominguez is quite fast and an excellent base stealer.
But I am curious, just how are fans "letting" him get away with it? Exactly how are fans involved in running the team's player decisions?
I, for one, only want Dominguez up if he plays everyday. If they aren't playing him everyday it is hurting him. Yes, he should probably supplant Verdugo full time in the lineup. We know Verdugo has a bit of an attitude and has wornout his welcome before. How does him sitting affect the locker room? Will it be necessary to let him go like they did with Chapman a few years back?
Legit questions and concerns as it affects the entire team. Also Berti? What do they do with him? Where are they putting him?
Cash has done a shit job recently and this year in particular with the obvious BP woes. This team would be 8 games up(or more) with the pens from the previous 4 or so years.
How many of us would’ve thought back then we wouldn’t see another WS after 15 years and 3B dollars?
Ultimately it doesn’t matter. Hal gets to fawn over the revenue numbers, Cashman and Boone get to operate without accountability. As fans our only recourse is to bitch on forums. The least people can do is not to engage in extreme mental gymnastics and bend over backwards to rationalize these idiots’ moves.
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I’m truly dumbfounded. As time passes, I’ve become even more convinced that this is all about player control and that possible draft pick. But the Yankees trying to gaslight fans and the media about what Alex Verdugo is or what he could be is shocking. There has to be more to this story beyond rank incompetence by the Yankees. Right?
But it's not just about Verdugo. It's about not wanting to DFA someone Cashman doesn't want to DFA.
Right now, JD could get Ellis's spot. But Berti (getting paid a few million) is about to come back and then what?
DJL should be DFAd, but Cashman doesn't wanna. Grisham either.
But I did say much earlier this season that the team was afraid to make tough choices.
Cashman is just trolling us now. Imagine looking at Framber and Kikuchi, and think I am good with Verdugo…..
Do we have Verdugo’s BABiP on a Tuesday at nights against those 2? Maybe they know something we don’t.
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Brian Cashman said the Alex Verdugo-Jasson Dominguez decision comes down to what gives the Yankees the best chance to win. Right now, they believe Verdugo in LF gives them the best chance. Cashman - ( New Window )
And, he would be lying.
Cashman's ego can't withstand the thought of one of his acquistions being DFA'd or benched, because that would make him look bad. That's all this is about. They deserve to lose with this clown as the GM.
Good times.