And it spoke volumes, IMO.
Schoen was at the Clemson/Georgia game and was chatting with Ryan Poles and Schoen said (and I quote): “Gotta be nice not to be looking at the, uhh…” and Poles finished his sentence “quarterbacks”. Schoen just laughed.
Yep. Schoen was there for Carson Beck. Make no mistake about it. Schoen knows we don’t have a QB.
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Schoen is a complete moron if he intended it like the original poster interpreted it. These guys know when each other are mic'd up.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say he was just paying Poles a compliment.
But isn't he a moron regardless even if his intent was just to give Poles a compliment knowing that he was mic'd up.
Why? They drafted #1. It's not like they got something over on the Giants.
Because Jones is his QB now. I wish Jones wasn't, but he is. You don't make Jones life more difficult by creating a story for the media to run with that the Giants again have no faith in you. That is dumb and an unforced error.
But they made the playoffs and he was stuck, easy for people to say sitting on their couch hey you could still tear it down, but he would of been killed by the media and no GM in theor right midn would of done that..
Now he has to go one more year with Jones and he has more freedom
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Schoen knows the Bears just took a QB #1 overall and aren't looking at QB....so he makes small talk on it that gets picked up.
This makes Schoen look bad?
Everyone knows they were looking to possibly draft a QB and are in the futures for a QB.
Schoen makes himself look bad. Making stupid comments about GMs/QBs when he has done absolutely nothing to improve the team at the position. Only wasting time and money.
Were you thinking this was a good look?
So you wouod of gottent rid of Jones coming off the playoffs? and replace him with who?
I would have let him go to free agency. If that was untenable for this franchise then I could understand some form of the tag. Keeping AND paying longer term was foolish.
You see that now at least, right?
But is it really a long term deal? its essentially 2 years..
You also have to realize that Schoen really had no choice, they were coming off the playoffs he couldnt just let him walk...
and if he tags Jones that means Saquom walks and you are basically making the team worse coming off the playoffs...
then if you tag him and you let him walk after last year, fine with me, but then whose the QB? Minshew? draft Mccarthy? Penix or Nix and have no Nabers?
Do i think Jones is the answrr? absolutely not, but killing schoen for bringing him back which was essentially a 2 year deal is really not fair either..
The no choice theme is as weak as any excuse you read on here.
In giving that, it is very easy to see how so many of you DJ fans or former fans that still can’t fully grasp the idea his being on this roster is holding this team back. Year after year.
Well then you are not being fair, you expected Schoen to basically take a step back after making the playoffs and winning game, thats not realistic and no gm in football would of made that decision..
Don’t need to step back. Stand up straight and assess the situation correctly.
Besides, the last game in the playoffs showed you everything nodded, about the state of that team and QB, in case you missed it during the season.
Wake up. You are missed it and have had 2 years to think about why.
easy to do sitting on your couch and not having to deal with the media or the team or players who would of questioned why you took a step back after making the playoffs
you make it sound so easy maybe you should be a gm
I think both you and Schoen missed the point of how and why he got hired.
What Schoen secretly tried to do or wished for is irrelevant. The result is what matters.
Jones is Schoen's quarterback, period.
But they made the playoffs and he was stuck, easy for people to say sitting on their couch hey you could still tear it down, but he would of been killed by the media and no GM in theor right midn would of done that..
Now he has to go one more year with Jones and he has more freedom
Right, he fucked up.
Why are you arguing with people like me telling you the truth without the serum.
But they made the playoffs and he was stuck, easy for people to say sitting on their couch hey you could still tear it down, but he would of been killed by the media and no GM in theor right midn would of done that..
Now he has to go one more year with Jones and he has more freedom
Wait, so now you can't criticize because he made the easy choice to appease the masses? We pay GM's not to be popular but to win games. Plus, I doubt there was any real backlash if he sent Daniel packing or gave him the franchise tag.
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i am sure he would say he wish they didnt make the playoffs that first year, he would of had the freedom to strip down and build back up..
But they made the playoffs and he was stuck, easy for people to say sitting on their couch hey you could still tear it down, but he would of been killed by the media and no GM in theor right midn would of done that..
Now he has to go one more year with Jones and he has more freedom
Wait, so now you can't criticize because he made the easy choice to appease the masses? We pay GM's not to be popular but to win games. Plus, I doubt there was any real backlash if he sent Daniel packing or gave him the franchise tag.
Who said you cant criticize him? but be fair about it and add context
If Bullock makes the FG in Tennessee week 1 and the Carolina DB doesn't drop a pick six in week 2, everything is likely different right now.
If Bullock makes the FG in Tennessee week 1 and the Carolina DB doesn't drop a pick six in week 2, everything is likely different right now.
Remind you of another team in this town?
If Bullock makes the FG in Tennessee week 1 and the Carolina DB doesn't drop a pick six in week 2, everything is likely different right now.
Not the first time I’ve heard that getting to the playoffs in 2022 was detrimental to the rebuild. I’d love to be in the building that offseason after that Eagle game to see how they really felt about that year..
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i am sure he would say he wish they didnt make the playoffs that first year, he would of had the freedom to strip down and build back up..
But they made the playoffs and he was stuck, easy for people to say sitting on their couch hey you could still tear it down, but he would of been killed by the media and no GM in theor right midn would of done that..
Now he has to go one more year with Jones and he has more freedom
Wait, so now you can't criticize because he made the easy choice to appease the masses? We pay GM's not to be popular but to win games. Plus, I doubt there was any real backlash if he sent Daniel packing or gave him the franchise tag.
Who said you cant criticize him? but be fair about it and add context
Add context.. like using truth serum?
Schoen has said, multiple times, that the FT was a distinct possibility for Jones OR Barkley.
They fully intended to sign SB FIRST (see the offer at midseason that year), AND sign Jones to the FT.
Circumstances didn't work out, and they were forced to make the best deal they could with Jones, which is essentially a 2 year/ 84 million (I probably have that number wrong), with a reasonable out after 2 years.
So stop with the 160 million crap.
I believe Mara "really" wanted to sign Barkley, which put Schoen in a difficult decision. He navigated it as best he could.
and for "THE MIKE" worst contract? How about Golladay's or Soldiers?
As crappy as Jones is, he HAS at least done a little something. These two guys, didn't earn a plugged nickle!!
There's a league out there where actual good players and teams are actually competing for the title, and the Giants are hemming and hawing over two nobodies in Giants history like Jones and Barkley.
I was so happy when Barkley left. I was happier still that he went to Philly. The Barkley-related angst depicted on Hard Knocks was more proof that this organization has completely lost its way.
What Schoen secretly tried to do or wished for is irrelevant. The result is what matters.
Jones is Schoen's quarterback, period.
Can we stop with the "Schoen has been here 3 years, and the "Daniel Jones has been here 6 years" garbage, at least get your facts right.
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Jones has entered all 3 years as the starter, and during that time he got a $160M contract.
What Schoen secretly tried to do or wished for is irrelevant. The result is what matters.
Jones is Schoen's quarterback, period.
Can we stop with the "Schoen has been here 3 years, and the "Daniel Jones has been here 6 years" garbage, at least get your facts right.
I apologize - Schoen has had three offseasons. Better?
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Jones has entered all 3 years as the starter, and during that time he got a $160M contract.
What Schoen secretly tried to do or wished for is irrelevant. The result is what matters.
Jones is Schoen's quarterback, period.
Can we stop with the "Schoen has been here 3 years, and the "Daniel Jones has been here 6 years" garbage, at least get your facts right.
I apologize - Schoen has had three offseasons. Better?
Yes, thank you
There's a league out there where actual good players and teams are actually competing for the title, and the Giants are hemming and hawing over two nobodies in Giants history like Jones and Barkley.
I was so happy when Barkley left. I was happier still that he went to Philly. The Barkley-related angst depicted on Hard Knocks was more proof that this organization has completely lost its way.
As we know now, popularity is a big deal with Mara.
And so is the boy scout image of the NYG brand. He wants NYG to be the Notre Dame of the NFL.
They sure are.
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When it comes to Hard Knocks, people saw what they wanted to see. Some of the takes are pretty comical.
They sure are.
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When it comes to Hard Knocks, people saw what they wanted to see. Some of the takes are pretty comical.
They sure are.
Like recognizing the difference between reality tv, and reality, for starters.
So are we saying all of Hard Knocks was real, or was it all bullshit?
Believe me I hope it was all bullshit because it didn't paint a pretty picture.
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Sure but there's nothing factual being presented when pointing out that two previous QBs who were each superior to Jones did something that Jones will never do.
Here's some more education for you "something Jones will never do" is a Begging the Claim logical fallacy - an especially ludicrous one looking at facts. Facts are good. You should try them sometime.
Just a couple:
- It took Eli 7 years to exceed 24 TDs (Jones rookie year, in 12 games); 12 years on a per-game basis. TDs being a favorite measure of DJs anti-fan club.
- It took Eli 6 years to break 7 YPC (a bw favorite stat).
- Jones worst ever interception percentage though last season was 2.6% as a rookie. Eli's was substantially higher every season but one his first 10 years.
I'll stop there; facts mean nothing to your ilk, and I really don't feel like pumping up Jones. The off season is over. It's go time for him and the team. If he sucks, see ya. If he's good or better, fabulous. I'm not so foolish to make sweeping pronouncements about what he will or won't be - particularly given how glaringly stupid it looks in the context of the 2 Giants SB QBs careers.
Yes - but you're clearly suggesting I and others who are critical of the Giants were seeing what we want to see. So what are we taking as truth that was merely reality TV?
Exactly. "If the rule you followed led you to a QB room if Jones/Lock/DeVito, of what use was the rule?"
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Sure but there's nothing factual being presented when pointing out that two previous QBs who were each superior to Jones did something that Jones will never do.
Here's some more education for you "something Jones will never do" is a Begging the Claim logical fallacy - an especially ludicrous one looking at facts. Facts are good. You should try them sometime.
Just a couple:
- It took Eli 7 years to exceed 24 TDs (Jones rookie year, in 12 games); 12 years on a per-game basis. TDs being a favorite measure of DJs anti-fan club.
- It took Eli 6 years to break 7 YPC (a bw favorite stat).
- Jones worst ever interception percentage though last season was 2.6% as a rookie. Eli's was substantially higher every season but one his first 10 years.
I'll stop there; facts mean nothing to your ilk, and I really don't feel like pumping up Jones. The off season is over. It's go time for him and the team. If he sucks, see ya. If he's good or better, fabulous. I'm not so foolish to make sweeping pronouncements about what he will or won't be - particularly given how glaringly stupid it looks in the context of the 2 Giants SB QBs careers.
Unless you are intentionally being intellectually dishonest, wouldn't you agree that it would be slightly more insightful to actually index Eli and DJ against the league averages during the respective reference years rather than against each other?
Comparing them directly against each other with no context or era-adjustment is misleading. Is it intentionally misleading or accidentally misleading?
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Sure but there's nothing factual being presented when pointing out that two previous QBs who were each superior to Jones did something that Jones will never do.
Here's some more education for you "something Jones will never do" is a Begging the Claim logical fallacy - an especially ludicrous one looking at facts. Facts are good. You should try them sometime.
Just a couple:
- It took Eli 7 years to exceed 24 TDs (Jones rookie year, in 12 games); 12 years on a per-game basis. TDs being a favorite measure of DJs anti-fan club.
- It took Eli 6 years to break 7 YPC (a bw favorite stat).
- Jones worst ever interception percentage though last season was 2.6% as a rookie. Eli's was substantially higher every season but one his first 10 years.
I'll stop there; facts mean nothing to your ilk, and I really don't feel like pumping up Jones. The off season is over. It's go time for him and the team. If he sucks, see ya. If he's good or better, fabulous. I'm not so foolish to make sweeping pronouncements about what he will or won't be - particularly given how glaringly stupid it looks in the context of the 2 Giants SB QBs careers.
The facts are meaningless not because of some ilk I allegedly belong to, but because they are regarding a different player from the one we are discussing.
I'll stop there; facts mean nothing to your ilk, and I really don't feel like pumping up Jones. The off season is over. It's go time for him and the team. If he sucks, see ya. If he's good or better, fabulous. I'm not so foolish to make sweeping pronouncements about what he will or won't be - particularly given how glaringly stupid it looks in the context of the 2 Giants SB QBs careers.
In four of Eli's first five seasons, he threw for 24, 24, 23 and 21 TDs. And his first years of starting, the team always had a winning record. In aggregate, the team was 41-23. So, he was producing at his position to lead to wins. Right?
And in PPG the Giants were 3rd, 10th, 14th, and 8th. So, he was doing his job getting the team into the endzone.
Was anyone confusing Eli with Favre, bro Peyton, Brady, etc? No, but he was demonstrating he was a very competent, productive QB.
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I'll stop there; facts mean nothing to your ilk, and I really don't feel like pumping up Jones. The off season is over. It's go time for him and the team. If he sucks, see ya. If he's good or better, fabulous. I'm not so foolish to make sweeping pronouncements about what he will or won't be - particularly given how glaringly stupid it looks in the context of the 2 Giants SB QBs careers.
In four of Eli's first five seasons, he threw for 24, 24, 23 and 21 TDs. And his first years of starting, the team always had a winning record. In aggregate, the team was 41-23. So, he was producing at his position to lead to wins. Right?
And in PPG the Giants were 3rd, 10th, 14th, and 8th. So, he was doing his job getting the team into the endzone.
Was anyone confusing Eli with Favre, bro Peyton, Brady, etc? No, but he was demonstrating he was a very competent, productive QB.
You are comparing a different offensive philosophy and rulebook to today.
Phil Simms getting off to a slow start has nothing to do with Daniel Jones. Blaine Gabbert got off to a slow start too...why not cite him?
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Sure but there's nothing factual being presented when pointing out that two previous QBs who were each superior to Jones did something that Jones will never do.
Here's some more education for you "something Jones will never do" is a Begging the Claim logical fallacy - an especially ludicrous one looking at facts. Facts are good. You should try them sometime.
Just a couple:
- It took Eli 7 years to exceed 24 TDs (Jones rookie year, in 12 games); 12 years on a per-game basis. TDs being a favorite measure of DJs anti-fan club.
Daniel Jones hasn't exceeded 24 TDs and only once, threw more than 15. He went from 24 to 11, 10, 15, 2. Eli threw 24 TDs in his second season and then didn't drop below 20 TDs until 2013 and then had a bounce back of 30TDs in 2014
Eli's first 5 years: 6, 24, 24, 23, 21
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I'll stop there; facts mean nothing to your ilk, and I really don't feel like pumping up Jones. The off season is over. It's go time for him and the team. If he sucks, see ya. If he's good or better, fabulous. I'm not so foolish to make sweeping pronouncements about what he will or won't be - particularly given how glaringly stupid it looks in the context of the 2 Giants SB QBs careers.
In four of Eli's first five seasons, he threw for 24, 24, 23 and 21 TDs. And his first years of starting, the team always had a winning record. In aggregate, the team was 41-23. So, he was producing at his position to lead to wins. Right?
And in PPG the Giants were 3rd, 10th, 14th, and 8th. So, he was doing his job getting the team into the endzone.
Was anyone confusing Eli with Favre, bro Peyton, Brady, etc? No, but he was demonstrating he was a very competent, productive QB.
Eli had an OL and receivers. Just sayin.
You are comparing a different offensive philosophy and rulebook to today.
I'm not. HBart is.
But as my super-high level analysis shows, Eli was a productive QB for NYG during his first five years.
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LOL the starting quarterback of the team doesn't have a fan club? You'd expect that to be the case, no?
Maybe, but far less than you'd expect supposed fans to not reach, daily, for some tired, overplayed, myopic, in the past bullshit to bitch about and demean their starting QB.
I don't know, five years of middling play is something I should be fired up about?
It is not.
And knowing that the peak of the team is capped by that middling performance just about drains any enthusiasm I have for this season.
I'm already looking at next year's crop.
The Giants have 4 SB trophies because QBs with years of middling play raised their game at the right time.
Enjoy your disdain and wallow in your dissatisfaction at years gone by. Doesn't seem fun to me, but you do you.
Eli won the SB in his fourth season after making the playoffs in his two previous seasons. Simms won the SB in what is essentially his third full season as a starter with two playoffs appearances before that. We are in year 6 with Jones and nowhere close to a playoffs much less a SB. How long are you willing to wait for this DJ metamorphosis to miraculously to happen?
Phil Simms getting off to a slow start has nothing to do with Daniel Jones. Blaine Gabbert got off to a slow start too...why not cite him?
It is the same thinking that Evan Neal must not be a bust because Andrew Thomas struggled early on. One has nothing to do with the other and there are plenty of highly drafted tackles who started poorly and remained that way until they busted. It such a weak argument--all we can ever judge is the product before us and mention the sample size as a qualifier. Right now, Evan Neal stinks
Eli had an OL and receivers. Just sayin.
Ok.
What should we assume on the inverse? That Eli would be just as poor as Jones if he was QBing the team the last five seasons?
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Eli had an OL and receivers. Just sayin.
Ok.
What should we assume on the inverse? That Eli would be just as poor as Jones if he was QBing the team the last five seasons?
Just FTR Eli was 9-26 his final two years with pretty much the same supporting cast, at least early on. Just sayin'
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Yet passed on 3 potential studs while our QB room actually got worse this offseason.
And which "studs" are these?
He means the QBs the Giants passed on were studs in college.
Phil Simms getting off to a slow start has nothing to do with Daniel Jones. Blaine Gabbert got off to a slow start too...why not cite him?
It is amazing how some either don’t get this or just use this to comfort themselves about Jones. But I’m part of the non DJ ‘ilk’ so…🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️.
Just FTR Eli was 9-26 his final two years with pretty much the same supporting cast, at least early on. Just sayin'
Same supporting cast as what?
And Eli was 37 and 38 years of age his final two years. JFC.
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Simms also didn't win a playoff game at that point.
He did. Simms won a Wild Card game against the Rams in 84 and 'Skins in 85.
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It's irritating when comps are made to unrelated players or situations to make a point. The NFL has been around a century; you can find a comp to support any claim.
Phil Simms getting off to a slow start has nothing to do with Daniel Jones. Blaine Gabbert got off to a slow start too...why not cite him?
It is amazing how some either don’t get this or just use this to comfort themselves about Jones. But I’m part of the non DJ ‘ilk’ so…🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️.
You guys are that dense? A high drafted QB's career arc is unrelated to the one before him which is unrelated to one before that? And, since you brought it up, same with tackle.
Damn...that's like mental depleted uranium.
Also, if Scott Brunner could lead them to a win against the Eagles in 1981, I feel pretty confident in saying that Simms would have as well.