And it spoke volumes, IMO.
Schoen was at the Clemson/Georgia game and was chatting with Ryan Poles and Schoen said (and I quote): “Gotta be nice not to be looking at the, uhh…” and Poles finished his sentence “quarterbacks”. Schoen just laughed.
Yep. Schoen was there for Carson Beck. Make no mistake about it. Schoen knows we don’t have a QB.
Don't even get me started on Palmer. Was? He was elite in 2015.
He was gonna be a HOF QB if he didn't get hurt, though. I will die on this hill.
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since someone brought up Eli needing time to develop, is trying to determine *why* he needed time.
The first 3-4 seasons were rough and inconsistent. Changes were made at QB coach and coordinator along the way, for a top prospect with high-level prep and access to the best pre-NFL experience possible.
I 100% believe that in a post-2004 NFL, Eli gets drafted to a team that builds the offense around his skillset and comfort level rather than trying to fit him into the coach's vision, which was just the way things were always done in the NFL up until the last 20 years or so and I imagine a lot of the bumps in the road level out by not having to learn him into a difficult, mistake-prone, and complicated offense.
Here is where I will take exception. Eli's "rough start" is way over played on BBI and in general. Was he Peyton or Brady? No, but his only true rough start was when he went in his Rookie year. After that rookie year he was putting up good numbers. The bigger problem was expectation. People saw him as Peyton's brother and kept expecting him to put up Peyton numbers and that was never going to be him. People forget that during their careers Ben's numbers and his were right around the same. The only big difference is Eli was more of a gunslinger and threw more picks.
Eli managed to have some very impressive performances his rookie year too, particularly against the Steelers. He then led that great comeback against the Broncos in year two.
People act like his first few seasons were Jamarcus Russell caliber.
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since someone brought up Eli needing time to develop, is trying to determine *why* he needed time.
The first 3-4 seasons were rough and inconsistent. Changes were made at QB coach and coordinator along the way, for a top prospect with high-level prep and access to the best pre-NFL experience possible.
I 100% believe that in a post-2004 NFL, Eli gets drafted to a team that builds the offense around his skillset and comfort level rather than trying to fit him into the coach's vision, which was just the way things were always done in the NFL up until the last 20 years or so and I imagine a lot of the bumps in the road level out by not having to learn him into a difficult, mistake-prone, and complicated offense.
Here is where I will take exception. Eli's "rough start" is way over played on BBI and in general. Was he Peyton or Brady? No, but his only true rough start was when he went in his Rookie year. After that rookie year he was putting up good numbers. The bigger problem was expectation. People saw him as Peyton's brother and kept expecting him to put up Peyton numbers and that was never going to be him. People forget that during their careers Ben's numbers and his were right around the same. The only big difference is Eli was more of a gunslinger and threw more picks.
Eli managed to have some very impressive performances his rookie year too, particularly against the Steelers. He then led that great comeback against the Broncos in year two.
People act like his first few seasons were Jamarcus Russell caliber.
I think Eli was largely who he was by his second season: a streaky player capable of playing like the best in the league in spurts who made some mind numbingly stupid plays, but consistently within the 8-12 range despite the intraseason variation. Some outliers like 2011 to the positive and 2013 to the negative, obviously.
Eli managed to have some very impressive performances his rookie year too, particularly against the Steelers. He then led that great comeback against the Broncos in year two.
People act like his first few seasons were Jamarcus Russell caliber.
I find it to be some incredible revisionist history and goalpost moving.
People definitely flipped out after the 4 int Minnesota game in 2007. That's because it looked like Eli was actually regressing during that season from decent but inconsistent 2005 and 2006 campaigns. There was an actual standard of play he set that he was failing to live up to, whereas with Jones - prior to 2022 - the only standard we had were a couple of 4 TD games in his rookie season.
Nevermind that by the time Eli was entering his 6th season like Jones, he was a top-ten QB in 2008 and had won a SB the year prior.
Hell, he was elite in 2005. He completed a long bomb on the very play in which he was injured.
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He was elite in 2015.
Hell, he was elite in 2005. He completed a long bomb on the very play in which he was injured.
I wasn't born then so I don't remember.
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Eli managed to have some very impressive performances his rookie year too, particularly against the Steelers. He then led that great comeback against the Broncos in year two.
People act like his first few seasons were Jamarcus Russell caliber.
I find it to be some incredible revisionist history and goalpost moving.
People definitely flipped out after the 4 int Minnesota game in 2007. That's because it looked like Eli was actually regressing during that season from decent but inconsistent 2005 and 2006 campaigns. There was an actual standard of play he set that he was failing to live up to, whereas with Jones - prior to 2022 - the only standard we had were a couple of 4 TD games in his rookie season.
Nevermind that by the time Eli was entering his 6th season like Jones, he was a top-ten QB in 2008 and had won a SB the year prior.
I can't speak for everyone, but not revisionist for me at all. In his second year I was one of about two or three people on BBI that defended Eli, often taking a lot of crap for it.