I haven't seen the reporters tweet anything, but according to NFLPA this morning it is a 1-year deal with $1,500,000 in base salary. I do NOT have the details on any bonus money yet.
Finally the Adoree' Jackson contract details, per source: 1 year, $1.75M with $0 guaranteed. Jackson has a $1.5M base salary. He can earn another $250K total in per-game roster bonuses. The cap number is just $1.7M.
I'm told there are incentives tied to interceptions and playing time. Don't have those numbers yet, but they're classified as not likely to be earned since they don't count against the cap. So if he reaches them, they'll be happy to pay them since that means he'll have played well enough to be a starting corner.
Finally the Adoree' Jackson contract details, per source: 1 year, $1.75M with $0 guaranteed. Jackson has a $1.5M base salary. He can earn another $250K total in per-game roster bonuses. The cap number is just $1.7M.
I'm told there are incentives tied to interceptions and playing time. Don't have those numbers yet, but they're classified as not likely to be earned since they don't count against the cap. So if he reaches them, they'll be happy to pay them since that means he'll have played well enough to be a starting corner.
The $0 guaranteed is only until he's on the active roster Sunday. As a vested vet, his $1.5M salary will then guarantee.
I hope he’s motivated to play well and prove it for next year (with another team)
Thomas - I guess you were right.
Lucky guess. At least Schoen didn't give AJax this deal...
Adoree' Jackson signed a 3 year, $39,000,000 contract with the New York Giants, including $13,500,000 signing bonus, $24,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $13,000,000. In 2024, Jackson will earn, while carrying a cap hit of $2,988,334 and a dead cap value of $2,988,334.
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Finally the Adoree' Jackson contract details, per source: 1 year, $1.75M with $0 guaranteed. Jackson has a $1.5M base salary. He can earn another $250K total in per-game roster bonuses. The cap number is just $1.7M.
I'm told there are incentives tied to interceptions and playing time. Don't have those numbers yet, but they're classified as not likely to be earned since they don't count against the cap. So if he reaches them, they'll be happy to pay them since that means he'll have played well enough to be a starting corner.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Wanted to expand a bit on the "top 51" accounting that ends tomorrow. During the offseason, only the players with the top 51 cap charges count toward a team's cap space. But once the season starts, every players' cap charge counts toward the team's cap space.
So the Giants have $10.1M in cap space today, per the NFLPA database. Looks like they're flush with space. But here's how that will evaporate tomorrow:
• Players 52 and 53 on the active roster will start counting: $1.6M
• The 16-man practice squad will start counting: $4.1M
• All players on reserve lists will start counting: $6.6M
So just like that, the $10M is gone (and then some). This is a rough estimate because some of the players still counting on IR have reached injury settlements that haven't been processed yet by the NFLPA. But even when those are accounted for, a restructure is coming, whether tomorrow or as needed to afford in-season charges like practice squad elevations and signings to replace players who go on IR.
In a contract year can backfire. Here is an example of that ....
If he really learned that lesson, the Giants really got a bargain.
Adoree was a very good football player in 2022. The biggest reason for his decline, was effort (and health and playing in the slot)
Let’s hope he succeeds in 2024z
Guy who puts in the work every day regardless of what's swirling around, keeps an even keel in games, and leads by example. That doesn't strike me as Adoree (nor the opposite - I'm not dissing him). He seems more like a guy who rises and falls with the tides.
All the shit swirling around the team last season, plus his contract year, could have been the root of his subpar play. He seems like the kind of guy who'd thrive with better leadership and the sting of a humbling prove-it deal. Also he's better suited to a zone heavy system.
We shall see.
I'm eager to see how they crafted the NLTBE incentives...
An INT incentive was predictable, since it's relevant to the position and anything over "1" would be classified as NLTBE. The problem is that interceptions are an unreliable metric for most corners, and especially for Adoree Jackson. He only has four in his career; just two since 2018. Rewarding production is fine, but you don't want him taking stupid risks or becoming a magnet for targets that would increase his INT opportunities. The reality of this particular player is that even at his best, he's not a ballhawk. It's weird that he can flawlessly execute the harder task of fielding punts while showing no aptitude for picking off passes, but he is who he is.
I expect some intricate playing time incentives. In another thread, I pointed to per-game snap counts as one possibility. As a starting corner, he would seldom leave the field. He might not be ready to assume that big a role for a couple of weeks, but it could still work. They can pay him for exceeding 90% of the defensive snaps in nine or more games, or topping 80% in eleven+. These are just examples.
There could also be some money for special teams snaps, to reward him for returning punts if that becomes necessary. For now, Olszewski seems to be OK, so any PR money would truly be gravy - especially considering what happened in 2022.
HBart: The injury on the punt return may have been an inflection point
I'm not sure he ever fully recovered in 2022, physically or mentally. Then he returned in 2023 and again his role changed because of team needs and the poor performance of other players - in this case at slot CB.
I have no idea what Adoree Jackson has left. We know what he was, and he isn't particularly old or banged up. So we can hope for the Adoree Jackson we saw the first half of 2022. If that player is gone forever, that will be a problem on the field in 2024 but at least the cap impact this year and beyond will be minimal since his NLTBE incentives will likely remain unearned.
Even if he plays at is horrible 23 level, it’s worth it. That secondary is too young, needed a vet. That alone makes the contract worth it.
He provides depth.
And at his age, he can still have a ceiling of a CB3.
If he somehow hits his incentives, who wouldn’t take that extra cap hit? And then we can get a 7th back because he will sign a moderate contract somewhere else in FA (IF he performs).
no brainer at that price and at this point in the offseason
there were alternatives that could end up better but depth is depth. anyone is better than no one. im sure he's highly motivated so hopefully it works out.
RE: HBart: The injury on the punt return may have been an inflection point
I'm not sure he ever fully recovered in 2022, physically or mentally. Then he returned in 2023 and again his role changed because of team needs and the poor performance of other players - in this case at slot CB.
I have no idea what Adoree Jackson has left. We know what he was, and he isn't particularly old or banged up. So we can hope for the Adoree Jackson we saw the first half of 2022. If that player is gone forever, that will be a problem on the field in 2024 but at least the cap impact this year and beyond will be minimal since his NLTBE incentives will likely remain unearned.
What a great point! I never correlated the two but you're exactly correct on the timing. One player before Thanksgiving '22; different one since.
Whatever he has left it's a fabulous win for the team at that price. To your point, it's not like he's got RB miles on him.
he has never been overly physical and slot is a very different position coverage wise than the outside where he'd always been pretty good. slot requires more tackling responsibilities and that's not his best thing either.
last year he also missed time midseason with head/neck injuries, which id imagine also impacts tackling negatively.
i dont buy that the knee injury is the issue, it was a non surgical sprain he came back from and played well vs jefferson in the playoff game. i think he's a player who has always leaved a lot to be desired in the run support department and last year it was likely worse than any other year bc he was playing slot and making biz decisions.
I'm not excusing Jackson's effort, but while it was his walk year - have to wonder with all the losing and dysfunction going on, how much disharmony played into things like effort. I realize they're pros, they are supposed to do this and that - but how much in-fighting and stealth campaigning by Martindale really effect things?
Jackson was asked to play slot at the beginning of last season
Jackson missed nearly two months, then returned for the two playoff games. How good was he against Minnesota? Hard to say. Justin Jefferson didn't do much damage, and Jackson played a big role. On the other hand, Jefferson had a short TD against Jackson taken off the board by replay, and Cousins scored on the next snap. I think PFR also attributed Osborn's TD to Jackson, part of Adoree's stat line of 8-8-38-1-0 for the game. Low yardage, but not exactly proof that Jackson was all the way back to his pre-injury form. Anyway, the amount of time he missed, as the team was in danger of missing the playoffs until the Week 17 win over Indianapolis, suggests to me that the injury was sufficiently serious to leave a lasting impact, at least mentally - especially considering the circumstances of that punt return.
Jackson missed nearly two months, then returned for the two playoff games. How good was he against Minnesota? Hard to say. Justin Jefferson didn't do much damage, and Jackson played a big role. On the other hand, Jefferson had a short TD against Jackson taken off the board by replay, and Cousins scored on the next snap. I think PFR also attributed Osborn's TD to Jackson, part of Adoree's stat line of 8-8-38-1-0 for the game. Low yardage, but not exactly proof that Jackson was all the way back to his pre-injury form. Anyway, the amount of time he missed, as the team was in danger of missing the playoffs until the Week 17 win over Indianapolis, suggests to me that the injury was sufficiently serious to leave a lasting impact, at least mentally - especially considering the circumstances of that punt return.
jefferson had 128 catches for 1800 yards in 2022. a month earlier without adoree he caught 12 of 16 targets for 133 and a td, and what was basically the game winning 17 yard catch on 3rd and 11.
the wild card game came down to the exact same situation and they turned it over on downs with jefferson not getting the ball once. the only player adoree covered in his 55 snaps that whole game was jefferson.
the next week he played 64 snaps and gave up even less to aj brown/philly.
i think we can say he had a bad year in 2023 without reaching back to diminish 2022 when he was probably the team's co-defensive mvp with lawrence. there's a reason they kept him vs cutting him and saving what would have been ~10m.
RE: Jackson was asked to play slot at the beginning of last season
when Hawkins was given a shot at the outside corner spot.
But Hawkins failed pretty quickly, and after that Adoree was mostly outside.
PFF has 77% of AJ's 2023 coverage snaps outside, 23% in the slot.
Calling up a number of the weekly NFL highlights, I couldn't, on quick look, find AJ playing anywhere but outside after Week 3.
he played a good chunk of slot in the first 4 weeks, which were also unfortunately games against Lamb, Deebo (only td he gave up to a wr last year), Lockett/JSN.
Also the even bigger problem the frist 3 weeks was that hawkins was the reason he was in the slot, and hawkins was getting shredded (they benched him week 4, then week 5 he gave up a long one to tyreek).
Against Miami in week 5 Adoree actually had a really good grade against tyreek back on the outside pretty much full time (tyreek had just 2 catches for 23 yards). week 6 he mostly played outside vs diggs and held him to 3 catches for 50 yards.
then he missed week 7 and you can see he was in and out of the lineup due to injury. players are obviously firstly accountable for their play but over that first month the coaching staff clearly had the wrong guys in the wrong places with adoree in slot and hawkins on outside. then as that was getting corrected he got hurt in the middle of the season. the defense got better at the end of the season, presumably in part because the coaching staff adjusted from their initial error.
Even if he plays at is horrible 23 level, it’s worth it. That secondary is too young, needed a vet. That alone makes the contract worth it.
He provides depth.
And at his age, he can still have a ceiling of a CB3.
If he somehow hits his incentives, who wouldn’t take that extra cap hit? And then we can get a 7th back because he will sign a moderate contract somewhere else in FA (IF he performs).
At best his CEILING is CB3? REally?
Can't possibly be a 2 or a 1, his BEST is maybe a 3? I don't think that's right, I think you're off the mark there.
Huge win for the team. Dude made $12 million last season. Incredible value.
We won't really know if it's a "huge win for the team" or "incredible value" until we see him play. He may have gotten paid $12M last year but his actual performance was nowhere near that level (as evidenced by the crickets he listened to all summer instead of being on an NFL roster).
It's entirely possible (though far less likely) that Adoree could still prove to be a poor value even at this much lower price tag. Just because he was even more overpaid last year doesn't make this new contract a win. Adoree's play on the field will determine that.
If he doesn't prove it, his career is esentially over. He'll be 30 next season, and if he sucks this year he'll be out of football.
He is incentivized to play well if he wants another payday.
We should see his best, whatever that still is.
Huge win for the team. Dude made $12 million last season. Incredible value.
We won't really know if it's a "huge win for the team" or "incredible value" until we see him play. He may have gotten paid $12M last year but his actual performance was nowhere near that level (as evidenced by the crickets he listened to all summer instead of being on an NFL roster).
It's entirely possible (though far less likely) that Adoree could still prove to be a poor value even at this much lower price tag. Just because he was even more overpaid last year doesn't make this new contract a win. Adoree's play on the field will determine that.
It's essentially a vet minimum deal. Incredible value for a starter calibre CB unless he's been lobotomized or an amputeee. I watched his presser -- he hasn't been lobotomized. And, while many BBIers think Schoen is a doofus, pretty sure he'd have passed were Adoree an amputee. We can confirm on Sunday.
Huge win for the team. Dude made $12 million last season. Incredible value.
We won't really know if it's a "huge win for the team" or "incredible value" until we see him play. He may have gotten paid $12M last year but his actual performance was nowhere near that level (as evidenced by the crickets he listened to all summer instead of being on an NFL roster).
It's entirely possible (though far less likely) that Adoree could still prove to be a poor value even at this much lower price tag. Just because he was even more overpaid last year doesn't make this new contract a win. Adoree's play on the field will determine that.
It's essentially a vet minimum deal. Incredible value for a starter calibre CB unless he's been lobotomized or an amputeee. I watched his presser -- he hasn't been lobotomized. And, while many BBIers think Schoen is a doofus, pretty sure he'd have passed were Adoree an amputee. We can confirm on Sunday.
Imagine a world where fans could decide a player's compensation after the season had concluded. How much would you have paid Adoree Jackson for his 2023 campaign, even with his brain and limbs intact?
Finally the Adoree' Jackson contract details, per source: 1 year, $1.75M with $0 guaranteed. Jackson has a $1.5M base salary. He can earn another $250K total in per-game roster bonuses. The cap number is just $1.7M.
I'm told there are incentives tied to interceptions and playing time. Don't have those numbers yet, but they're classified as not likely to be earned since they don't count against the cap. So if he reaches them, they'll be happy to pay them since that means he'll have played well enough to be a starting corner.
Finally the Adoree' Jackson contract details, per source: 1 year, $1.75M with $0 guaranteed. Jackson has a $1.5M base salary. He can earn another $250K total in per-game roster bonuses. The cap number is just $1.7M.
I'm told there are incentives tied to interceptions and playing time. Don't have those numbers yet, but they're classified as not likely to be earned since they don't count against the cap. So if he reaches them, they'll be happy to pay them since that means he'll have played well enough to be a starting corner.
The $0 guaranteed is only until he's on the active roster Sunday. As a vested vet, his $1.5M salary will then guarantee.
Thomas - I guess you were right.
Thomas - I guess you were right.
Lucky guess. At least Schoen didn't give AJax this deal...
Adoree' Jackson signed a 3 year, $39,000,000 contract with the New York Giants, including $13,500,000 signing bonus, $24,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $13,000,000. In 2024, Jackson will earn, while carrying a cap hit of $2,988,334 and a dead cap value of $2,988,334.
There was talk through the offseason he was overvaluing himself and asking for too much money.
I think the more likely explanation for his unemployment is he wasn't any good last year and no one wanted him.
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Finally the Adoree' Jackson contract details, per source: 1 year, $1.75M with $0 guaranteed. Jackson has a $1.5M base salary. He can earn another $250K total in per-game roster bonuses. The cap number is just $1.7M.
I'm told there are incentives tied to interceptions and playing time. Don't have those numbers yet, but they're classified as not likely to be earned since they don't count against the cap. So if he reaches them, they'll be happy to pay them since that means he'll have played well enough to be a starting corner.
@DDuggan21
Wanted to expand a bit on the "top 51" accounting that ends tomorrow. During the offseason, only the players with the top 51 cap charges count toward a team's cap space. But once the season starts, every players' cap charge counts toward the team's cap space.
So the Giants have $10.1M in cap space today, per the NFLPA database. Looks like they're flush with space. But here's how that will evaporate tomorrow:
• Players 52 and 53 on the active roster will start counting: $1.6M
• The 16-man practice squad will start counting: $4.1M
• All players on reserve lists will start counting: $6.6M
So just like that, the $10M is gone (and then some). This is a rough estimate because some of the players still counting on IR have reached injury settlements that haven't been processed yet by the NFLPA. But even when those are accounted for, a restructure is coming, whether tomorrow or as needed to afford in-season charges like practice squad elevations and signings to replace players who go on IR.
If he really learned that lesson, the Giants really got a bargain.
Adoree was a very good football player in 2022. The biggest reason for his decline, was effort (and health and playing in the slot)
Let’s hope he succeeds in 2024z
All the shit swirling around the team last season, plus his contract year, could have been the root of his subpar play. He seems like the kind of guy who'd thrive with better leadership and the sting of a humbling prove-it deal. Also he's better suited to a zone heavy system.
We shall see.
An INT incentive was predictable, since it's relevant to the position and anything over "1" would be classified as NLTBE. The problem is that interceptions are an unreliable metric for most corners, and especially for Adoree Jackson. He only has four in his career; just two since 2018. Rewarding production is fine, but you don't want him taking stupid risks or becoming a magnet for targets that would increase his INT opportunities. The reality of this particular player is that even at his best, he's not a ballhawk. It's weird that he can flawlessly execute the harder task of fielding punts while showing no aptitude for picking off passes, but he is who he is.
I expect some intricate playing time incentives. In another thread, I pointed to per-game snap counts as one possibility. As a starting corner, he would seldom leave the field. He might not be ready to assume that big a role for a couple of weeks, but it could still work. They can pay him for exceeding 90% of the defensive snaps in nine or more games, or topping 80% in eleven+. These are just examples.
There could also be some money for special teams snaps, to reward him for returning punts if that becomes necessary. For now, Olszewski seems to be OK, so any PR money would truly be gravy - especially considering what happened in 2022.
I have no idea what Adoree Jackson has left. We know what he was, and he isn't particularly old or banged up. So we can hope for the Adoree Jackson we saw the first half of 2022. If that player is gone forever, that will be a problem on the field in 2024 but at least the cap impact this year and beyond will be minimal since his NLTBE incentives will likely remain unearned.
He provides depth.
And at his age, he can still have a ceiling of a CB3.
If he somehow hits his incentives, who wouldn’t take that extra cap hit? And then we can get a 7th back because he will sign a moderate contract somewhere else in FA (IF he performs).
I have no idea what Adoree Jackson has left. We know what he was, and he isn't particularly old or banged up. So we can hope for the Adoree Jackson we saw the first half of 2022. If that player is gone forever, that will be a problem on the field in 2024 but at least the cap impact this year and beyond will be minimal since his NLTBE incentives will likely remain unearned.
What a great point! I never correlated the two but you're exactly correct on the timing. One player before Thanksgiving '22; different one since.
Whatever he has left it's a fabulous win for the team at that price. To your point, it's not like he's got RB miles on him.
last year he also missed time midseason with head/neck injuries, which id imagine also impacts tackling negatively.
i dont buy that the knee injury is the issue, it was a non surgical sprain he came back from and played well vs jefferson in the playoff game. i think he's a player who has always leaved a lot to be desired in the run support department and last year it was likely worse than any other year bc he was playing slot and making biz decisions.
But Hawkins failed pretty quickly, and after that Adoree was mostly outside.
PFF has 77% of AJ's 2023 coverage snaps outside, 23% in the slot.
Calling up a number of the weekly NFL highlights, I couldn't, on quick look, find AJ playing anywhere but outside after Week 3.
jefferson had 128 catches for 1800 yards in 2022. a month earlier without adoree he caught 12 of 16 targets for 133 and a td, and what was basically the game winning 17 yard catch on 3rd and 11.
the wild card game came down to the exact same situation and they turned it over on downs with jefferson not getting the ball once. the only player adoree covered in his 55 snaps that whole game was jefferson.
the next week he played 64 snaps and gave up even less to aj brown/philly.
i think we can say he had a bad year in 2023 without reaching back to diminish 2022 when he was probably the team's co-defensive mvp with lawrence. there's a reason they kept him vs cutting him and saving what would have been ~10m.
But Hawkins failed pretty quickly, and after that Adoree was mostly outside.
PFF has 77% of AJ's 2023 coverage snaps outside, 23% in the slot.
Calling up a number of the weekly NFL highlights, I couldn't, on quick look, find AJ playing anywhere but outside after Week 3.
he played a good chunk of slot in the first 4 weeks, which were also unfortunately games against Lamb, Deebo (only td he gave up to a wr last year), Lockett/JSN.
Also the even bigger problem the frist 3 weeks was that hawkins was the reason he was in the slot, and hawkins was getting shredded (they benched him week 4, then week 5 he gave up a long one to tyreek).
Against Miami in week 5 Adoree actually had a really good grade against tyreek back on the outside pretty much full time (tyreek had just 2 catches for 23 yards). week 6 he mostly played outside vs diggs and held him to 3 catches for 50 yards.
then he missed week 7 and you can see he was in and out of the lineup due to injury. players are obviously firstly accountable for their play but over that first month the coaching staff clearly had the wrong guys in the wrong places with adoree in slot and hawkins on outside. then as that was getting corrected he got hurt in the middle of the season. the defense got better at the end of the season, presumably in part because the coaching staff adjusted from their initial error.
He provides depth.
And at his age, he can still have a ceiling of a CB3.
If he somehow hits his incentives, who wouldn’t take that extra cap hit? And then we can get a 7th back because he will sign a moderate contract somewhere else in FA (IF he performs).
Can't possibly be a 2 or a 1, his BEST is maybe a 3? I don't think that's right, I think you're off the mark there.
This ^^^
We won't really know if it's a "huge win for the team" or "incredible value" until we see him play. He may have gotten paid $12M last year but his actual performance was nowhere near that level (as evidenced by the crickets he listened to all summer instead of being on an NFL roster).
It's entirely possible (though far less likely) that Adoree could still prove to be a poor value even at this much lower price tag. Just because he was even more overpaid last year doesn't make this new contract a win. Adoree's play on the field will determine that.
He is incentivized to play well if he wants another payday.
We should see his best, whatever that still is.
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Huge win for the team. Dude made $12 million last season. Incredible value.
We won't really know if it's a "huge win for the team" or "incredible value" until we see him play. He may have gotten paid $12M last year but his actual performance was nowhere near that level (as evidenced by the crickets he listened to all summer instead of being on an NFL roster).
It's entirely possible (though far less likely) that Adoree could still prove to be a poor value even at this much lower price tag. Just because he was even more overpaid last year doesn't make this new contract a win. Adoree's play on the field will determine that.
It's essentially a vet minimum deal. Incredible value for a starter calibre CB unless he's been lobotomized or an amputeee. I watched his presser -- he hasn't been lobotomized. And, while many BBIers think Schoen is a doofus, pretty sure he'd have passed were Adoree an amputee. We can confirm on Sunday.
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Huge win for the team. Dude made $12 million last season. Incredible value.
We won't really know if it's a "huge win for the team" or "incredible value" until we see him play. He may have gotten paid $12M last year but his actual performance was nowhere near that level (as evidenced by the crickets he listened to all summer instead of being on an NFL roster).
It's entirely possible (though far less likely) that Adoree could still prove to be a poor value even at this much lower price tag. Just because he was even more overpaid last year doesn't make this new contract a win. Adoree's play on the field will determine that.
It's essentially a vet minimum deal. Incredible value for a starter calibre CB unless he's been lobotomized or an amputeee. I watched his presser -- he hasn't been lobotomized. And, while many BBIers think Schoen is a doofus, pretty sure he'd have passed were Adoree an amputee. We can confirm on Sunday.
Imagine a world where fans could decide a player's compensation after the season had concluded. How much would you have paid Adoree Jackson for his 2023 campaign, even with his brain and limbs intact?