I know its too soon, but that's the type of discussion we can have on BBI. I am hearing he has size, a good arm, and he sees the field well. From his quotes, he sounds mature in his off the field stuff, too. Maybe this will be a good year for Qb's.
he has a lot of ability, whether or not he's a top 5-10 qb im not sure, id probably bet against, but id have said the exact same thing about jayden daniels at this time last year.
everything is set up for him to have a heisman type season, and i see more ability with him than Nix at a minimum. so if he does that and plays well in some playoff games, i think he's likely at minimum in the 1st round conversation.
You still need either the Giants to lose almost every single game, pray the only teams ahead of us are Chi-Wash-NE, or hope that Joe Schoen is replaced.
You took the words right out of my mouth! In all seriousness I have been on him since I saw some clips of him from Incarnate Word. When he does stuff right he shows things that very few QB's can do, but then he has plays like the INT against Florida that he should not be making at this point. If you can get him to be more disciplined you can really have something.
THis QB Class is shaping up to be far more interesting than
Into a top 3 pick, possibly #1 if he leads Miami deep into the playoff
Uh huh...every year, supposedly, Miami is back. Then they fall apart at some point because they're overrated and poorly coached. Mario Cristobal sucks.
Uh huh...every year, supposedly, Miami is back. Then they fall apart at some point because they're overrated and poorly coached. Mario Cristobal sucks.
Oooooh, they beat up on a bad UF team! Wow
Normally, I would agree with this, especially with Cristobal under the headset.
But this year may be different because Ward is considerably better than recent QB dopes like Tyler Van Dyke, D'Eriq King, Jarren Williams, etc.
Now, whether Ward will eventually be able to overcome Cristobal's game management idiocy remains to be seen. Although he has hired a "Game Management Coach" to help him...
Miami has a soft schedule, so the possibility exists for him to put together a Heisman worthy campaign. We will see what happens. Canes should be 4-0 going into a home game with VT. He will have some cake games to pad his stats.
like Ward. As someone said, he looked terrific against Florida. I also think Allar could be somebody that interests the Giants. He has the big build and frame that Daboll seems to value.
Into a top 3 pick, possibly #1 if he leads Miami deep into the playoff
Uh huh...every year, supposedly, Miami is back. Then they fall apart at some point because they're overrated and poorly coached. Mario Cristobal sucks.
Oooooh, they beat up on a bad UF team! Wow
Are you sure U of F is bad, or are they bad because Miami made them look bad? I don't see the same Miami teams of the past decade and a half
Besides the obvious physical talents which are many perhaps the most impressive thing about him is how cool and collected he is in the pocket. I have been watching him since last year at Washington St. He could go top 5 in the draft. Would definately support a Cam Ward first round pick by the GMen.
Ed Ogeron and Gene Chizik became much better coaches
when they got better QBs. FSU may make UF look good this year so needless to say the ACC blows giving Ward and Cristobal the chance to put themselves in big games that change their respective surrounding narratives. Miami added a lot of talent this past offseason beyond Ward too.
Into a top 3 pick, possibly #1 if he leads Miami deep into the playoff
Uh huh...every year, supposedly, Miami is back. Then they fall apart at some point because they're overrated and poorly coached. Mario Cristobal sucks.
Oooooh, they beat up on a bad UF team! Wow
Their schedule is soft, they should win 11+ games. I don’t think they are world beaters but ward makes them better than they have been in years
Next years draft can wind up being pretty good for QB's. With the new playoff system, hopefully a lot of them get into the playoffs.
Really hard identifying college QB's with the different rules (especially OL) compared to the NFL. Hopefully you get at least a few games where they go against very good D's so it isn't so easy.
but this year, they didn't just beat Florida in the swamp, they pretty much manhandled them. Unless your team is Vanderbilt(at least in previous years), you do that to an SEC team, you deserve props.
Miami does look like they have a lot of things clicking, besides Ward looks like the best QB they've had in years.
beyond ward miami has a legitimately SEC-good OL and DL
that's where they beat florida and where they are likely to beat everyone in the acc too. that doesnt say a ton because the acc sucks.
the rest is fine but nothing special which is why Ward is in an interesting position. he has a chance to elevate what probably isnt a top 5 team in the new playoff format. it's different because he has a lot more on his passing ability but it's a bit like JJM last year (he did have a top 5 team around him, but without the prolific passing game the other playoff teams had). cristobal tries to build his rosters trenches out the same way harbough did.
Miami beat a horrible UF team. Not saying he isn’t going to be good or even great but saw some really dumb throws that vs a better team would have cost him
And as usual the ACC is a joke. There might be one legit tip 20 team in Miami. ND is a lock for the playoffs as they get a cake walk again this year.
I like him, but feel like I need to see a lot more
This is correct and how I feel about a bunch of these guys. Lets see what happens when the real bullets start flying it tough games. I mean some of these teams played FCS opponents, Ole Miss played Furman. I Like Dart, but I want to see him against the SEC caliber teams. Ewers and Texas tore up Colorado State but its not clear how good they are. I'm interested to see what happens @ Michigan on Saturday. Michigans D still looks pretty tough. Same with Milroe
Strength of opponent is a convenient stick to beat a guy with,
but it's rarely used consistently. Last year people used it to kill Penix and Nix, but not Caleb Williams.
Some of the most talented and/or highest paid QBs in the league now didn't pay in the SEC or Big Ten: Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Herbert, Prescott, Purdy, Rodgers, Love, Goff, Murray, Watson, Lawrence and our very own Daniel Jones, to name a few.
Judge the reality and not some made up hypothetical. There's no more lame argument than "If you put X player behind Y line" or "If you put X against Y defenses"...
Guy has been starting for over 4 years now. He's beaten some good teams and lost to some bad teams. So Florida might be shit this year. OK, well he played as you'd expect a good QB to play.
If:
1) You expect our team to show improvement this year because you think Schoen bolstered the overall talent of the team in spite of the quarterback situation and
2) Our FO was not sold on the #8, #10, and #12 pick QBs this year
Then brace yourself to adopt a flawed QB prospect based on where we will be picking in 2025.
but he seems to rely on off-schedule plays, and declined in production as time wore on, wasn't as impressed with him last season. Plays with his hair on fire, but didn't see consistent or strong decision making. Granted, this is approx a 5-6 game sample size but against good competition.
There are things to like in his game. Will be interesting to watch
Miami beat a horrible UF team. Not saying he isn’t going to be good or even great but saw some really dumb throws that vs a better team would have cost him
And as usual the ACC is a joke. There might be one legit tip 20 team in Miami. ND is a lock for the playoffs as they get a cake walk again this year.
I do find it comical that there's this excuse that UF is a horrible team. Any SEC team, especially in Florida, is a really tough out, and make no mistake, they have speed and size, and Ward tore through that defense like a hot knife thru butter.
I don't think there are many QB's in College football that would have had that kind of success in that environment.
everything is set up for him to have a heisman type season, and i see more ability with him than Nix at a minimum. so if he does that and plays well in some playoff games, i think he's likely at minimum in the 1st round conversation.
May need more than one of the above as well.
You took the words right out of my mouth! In all seriousness I have been on him since I saw some clips of him from Incarnate Word. When he does stuff right he shows things that very few QB's can do, but then he has plays like the INT against Florida that he should not be making at this point. If you can get him to be more disciplined you can really have something.
Ewers
Beck
Ward
Sanders
Allar
Leonard
Milroe
Dart
Nussmeier
Moss
Uh huh...every year, supposedly, Miami is back. Then they fall apart at some point because they're overrated and poorly coached. Mario Cristobal sucks.
Oooooh, they beat up on a bad UF team! Wow
Uh huh...every year, supposedly, Miami is back. Then they fall apart at some point because they're overrated and poorly coached. Mario Cristobal sucks.
Oooooh, they beat up on a bad UF team! Wow
Normally, I would agree with this, especially with Cristobal under the headset.
But this year may be different because Ward is considerably better than recent QB dopes like Tyler Van Dyke, D'Eriq King, Jarren Williams, etc.
Now, whether Ward will eventually be able to overcome Cristobal's game management idiocy remains to be seen. Although he has hired a "Game Management Coach" to help him...
Miami has a soft schedule, so the possibility exists for him to put together a Heisman worthy campaign. We will see what happens. Canes should be 4-0 going into a home game with VT. He will have some cake games to pad his stats.
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Into a top 3 pick, possibly #1 if he leads Miami deep into the playoff
Uh huh...every year, supposedly, Miami is back. Then they fall apart at some point because they're overrated and poorly coached. Mario Cristobal sucks.
Oooooh, they beat up on a bad UF team! Wow
Are you sure U of F is bad, or are they bad because Miami made them look bad? I don't see the same Miami teams of the past decade and a half
They were dogshit last year and unranked to start this year. I think it's safe to assume they won't be particularly good.
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Into a top 3 pick, possibly #1 if he leads Miami deep into the playoff
Uh huh...every year, supposedly, Miami is back. Then they fall apart at some point because they're overrated and poorly coached. Mario Cristobal sucks.
Oooooh, they beat up on a bad UF team! Wow
Their schedule is soft, they should win 11+ games. I don’t think they are world beaters but ward makes them better than they have been in years
Next years draft can wind up being pretty good for QB's. With the new playoff system, hopefully a lot of them get into the playoffs.
Really hard identifying college QB's with the different rules (especially OL) compared to the NFL. Hopefully you get at least a few games where they go against very good D's so it isn't so easy.
I’m not fully sold on Ward. I have it right now as:
Sanders
Dart
Beck
Ewers
Milroe
Ward
Salter
Nussmeier
Smith
Gabriel
Weigman
I think it's fair to wonder about Ward's arm strength. But he does have an uncanny ability to use different arm angles to make plays. That's a talent.
And Ward does complete 65% of his passes for his college career. No real red flag there for me.
I should have checked his schedule first.
Miami does look like they have a lot of things clicking, besides Ward looks like the best QB they've had in years.
the rest is fine but nothing special which is why Ward is in an interesting position. he has a chance to elevate what probably isnt a top 5 team in the new playoff format. it's different because he has a lot more on his passing ability but it's a bit like JJM last year (he did have a top 5 team around him, but without the prolific passing game the other playoff teams had). cristobal tries to build his rosters trenches out the same way harbough did.
And as usual the ACC is a joke. There might be one legit tip 20 team in Miami. ND is a lock for the playoffs as they get a cake walk again this year.
This is correct and how I feel about a bunch of these guys. Lets see what happens when the real bullets start flying it tough games. I mean some of these teams played FCS opponents, Ole Miss played Furman. I Like Dart, but I want to see him against the SEC caliber teams. Ewers and Texas tore up Colorado State but its not clear how good they are. I'm interested to see what happens @ Michigan on Saturday. Michigans D still looks pretty tough. Same with Milroe
Some of the most talented and/or highest paid QBs in the league now didn't pay in the SEC or Big Ten: Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Herbert, Prescott, Purdy, Rodgers, Love, Goff, Murray, Watson, Lawrence and our very own Daniel Jones, to name a few.
Judge the reality and not some made up hypothetical. There's no more lame argument than "If you put X player behind Y line" or "If you put X against Y defenses"...
Ah my mistake.
If:
1) You expect our team to show improvement this year because you think Schoen bolstered the overall talent of the team in spite of the quarterback situation and
2) Our FO was not sold on the #8, #10, and #12 pick QBs this year
Then brace yourself to adopt a flawed QB prospect based on where we will be picking in 2025.
Just somebody please let us know when Schoen shows up to watch him on any given Saturday.
Thx
And as usual the ACC is a joke. There might be one legit tip 20 team in Miami. ND is a lock for the playoffs as they get a cake walk again this year.
I do find it comical that there's this excuse that UF is a horrible team. Any SEC team, especially in Florida, is a really tough out, and make no mistake, they have speed and size, and Ward tore through that defense like a hot knife thru butter.
I don't think there are many QB's in College football that would have had that kind of success in that environment.