Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Here's a deep in the weeds cap note: The Giants reached an injury settlement with CB Aaron Robinson for his entire $1.36M salary. That's very unusual because injury settlements are typically for a portion of a player's salary (i.e. the sides agree a player will miss four weeks with an injury, the team pays the player 4/18 of his salary and the team gets 14/18th of the salary credited back to their cap).
Checked into why the Giants did this injury settlement with Robinson. I was told it's because he was eligible for the Injury Protection Benefit (IPB), which is provided to players who suffer a severe injury that prevents them from passing a physical.
If Robinson was collecting the IPB, he'd be disincentivized to pass a physical and play for another team because signing a contract would eliminate the remainder of his IPB pay. The injury settlement allows Robinson to pursue playing for another team without risking what he is owed. There's a mutual benefit that if he signs with another team, his new salary will offset what the Giants owe from the settlement.
This is probably very confusing, but long story short: Robinson's entire $1.36M salary counts on the cap this year because that was the amount of his injury settlement.
It depends on if another team signs him is what it reads to me, otherwise the full amount will count.
This is the one who kept failing the physicals lol hard to keep up
Except he barely played, so who knows? What we do known is that he had a known injury before the draft , and Gettleman drafted him anyway. And it required surgery and he was on the PUP list all of 2021 camp and the first 7 games of the season.
Drafting a guy with a known injury in the 3rd round is not a good pick, IMO.
NYP: Aaron Robinson takes first step towards breaking sad Giants curse - ( New Window )
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looked good when he played IIRC. If so, then he was a good pick, especially in the third round. He just got hurt a lot. That could happen to any player.
Except he barely played, so who knows? What we do known is that he had a known injury before the draft , and Gettleman drafted him anyway. And it required surgery and he was on the PUP list all of 2021 camp and the first 7 games of the season.
Drafting a guy with a known injury in the 3rd round is not a good pick, IMO. NYP: Aaron Robinson takes first step towards breaking sad Giants curse - ( New Window )
You're right. I forgot about his predraft injury. Gettleman also traded up to get him, giving up a fifth round pick IIRC.
I would sit DJ all year for this exact reason. Otherwise we are potentially screwed for two years instead of one.
Not sure but I take this to mean they could sign him for less money, and that amount would be offset against the cap?
Theoretically could he come back here in week 8 or 9, pass a physical and be signed to our roster as basically a freebie with 0 additional cap ramifications?
Not sure but I take this to mean they could sign him for less money, and that amount would be offset against the cap?
Theoretically could he come back here in week 8 or 9, pass a physical and be signed to our roster as basically a freebie with 0 additional cap ramifications?
I'm pretty sure the offset only comes into play if he signs with another team. If the Giants brought him back, whatever we pay on the new signing would be on top of the cap hit we've already taken.
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It sounds like there is but then the tweet ends with the full amount counts against the cap. Which is it?
It depends on if another team signs him is what it reads to me, otherwise the full amount will count.
The full $1.36M of the settlement counts now against the 2024 cap.
Whatever AR might get paid by another team (or teams), through the end of 2024 season, won't be a known number until the end of the season.
I would presume the cap benefit of any offset will be included in the calculation of the Giants' rollover credit for the 2025 cap year.
I've never seen a good accounting of these line items.
For instance the NFLPA site says the Giants only carried over 2.5M. But that seems light to me given Jones had 2.75M that I can't imagine he earned anywhere close to.
Have you seen line items from the cap sites?
Have you seen line items from the cap sites?
Spotrac has a net line item for a team's rollover credit, but I'm not aware of a breakdown of the components.
OTC calls it carryover (rather than rollover) in giving the formula for calculating team space, but I don't see a net line or a breakdown.