Not sure I ever recall being in this situation on the Friday before an opener. Obviously, they will likely sign someone tonight or tomorrow, perhaps from the PS.
the Bobby O deal was to account for some $$$$ and maybe that has finalized through.. Regardless it seems to be paperwork shuffling via flesh and blood player movement.
Everyone is healthy enough to play, and we're likely to see an elevation or two from the practice squad. So there's no reason to fill the 53rd spot, especially if that spot would be filled by a vested veteran whose salary would immediately become guaranteed.
It's puzzling. The only think I could conjure was sign (not elevate) a non-vested player from the practice squad, then cut him after game 1, saving an elevation and then using the roster spot to sign a vested vet, avoiding guaranteed salary.
there is not much cap savings as he has $367,500 in dead money that hits the cap so we saved 785,000. as we speak Chaptman is the 52 guy with a cap number of 795,333 so anyone signed would eat up all that space created at minimum which leads you to assume we play with 52.
they have everyone healthy so there's no real downside. no real difference between 4 healthy players inactive vs 3 if you dont have someone to sign that you dont want to lose.
this is why it stills seems crazy to me that they wasted an IR-R on Adams. How many people from the initial 53 have already been maneuvered/cut?
make any 1 of those moves on cut down day and you have 8 IR-R's instead of 7.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
They’re pretty much the most important thing in my world, so let’s take this opportunity to delve into the Carter Coughlin situation.
Coughlin remains a valuable ST player and the Giants will need him on Sunday. It’s shrewd/ruthless to cut him three days before the opener knowing he’s not going to have a better immediate option than signing to their P-squad. So he’ll get elevated for Sunday and make the same check for Week 1. But the big difference is his full season salary won’t become guaranteed, as it would have been if he was on the 53-man roster for Week 1.
The Giants have designated Matthew Adams, another backup LB/special teams ace to return from IR. He can return in Week 5. Dyontae Johnson is another backup LB/ST on IR who could return in Week 5.
So the Giants could elevate Coughlin for three games and then sign him to the active roster in Week 4. Then they *could* cut him after Week 4 when Adams/Johnson are ready to return. Or they could just keep Coughlin on the active roster then. But this move gives them flexibility.
They can have Coughlin for the first four games when they need him while avoiding being tied to him for the full season if he becomes less valuable when injured players return. You’re welcome, Nathaniel.
Are players snagged off the practice squad and must go with the team that claimed him? Or do they have to agree to go with the team and then they get claimed? I believe its the latter.
So do they have a conversation with Carter Coughlin and share that they hope he will stay under a hybrid practice squad/roster situation throughout the year? He agrees to do it unless his agent finds him a better situation? I think I am answering my own question.
Are players snagged off the practice squad and must go with the team that claimed him? Or do they have to agree to go with the team and then they get claimed? I believe its the latter.
So do they have a conversation with Carter Coughlin and share that they hope he will stay under a hybrid practice squad/roster situation throughout the year? He agrees to do it unless his agent finds him a better situation? I think I am answering my own question.
You're basically right. Players don't get "claimed" off the practice squad, they get offered a contract which they can take, or not. So yes, Coughlin can choose the Giants' practice squad over roster offers from other teams if he decides that's the best situation for him.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
They’re pretty much the most important thing in my world, so let’s take this opportunity to delve into the Carter Coughlin situation.
Coughlin remains a valuable ST player and the Giants will need him on Sunday. It’s shrewd/ruthless to cut him three days before the opener knowing he’s not going to have a better immediate option than signing to their P-squad. So he’ll get elevated for Sunday and make the same check for Week 1. But the big difference is his full season salary won’t become guaranteed, as it would have been if he was on the 53-man roster for Week 1.
The Giants have designated Matthew Adams, another backup LB/special teams ace to return from IR. He can return in Week 5. Dyontae Johnson is another backup LB/ST on IR who could return in Week 5.
So the Giants could elevate Coughlin for three games and then sign him to the active roster in Week 4. Then they *could* cut him after Week 4 when Adams/Johnson are ready to return. Or they could just keep Coughlin on the active roster then. But this move gives them flexibility.
They can have Coughlin for the first four games when they need him while avoiding being tied to him for the full season if he becomes less valuable when injured players return. You’re welcome, Nathaniel.
In comment 16596517 UberAlias said:
this is why it stills seems crazy to me that they wasted an IR-R on Adams. How many people from the initial 53 have already been maneuvered/cut?
make any 1 of those moves on cut down day and you have 8 IR-R's instead of 7.
@DDuggan21
They’re pretty much the most important thing in my world, so let’s take this opportunity to delve into the Carter Coughlin situation.
Coughlin remains a valuable ST player and the Giants will need him on Sunday. It’s shrewd/ruthless to cut him three days before the opener knowing he’s not going to have a better immediate option than signing to their P-squad. So he’ll get elevated for Sunday and make the same check for Week 1. But the big difference is his full season salary won’t become guaranteed, as it would have been if he was on the 53-man roster for Week 1.
The Giants have designated Matthew Adams, another backup LB/special teams ace to return from IR. He can return in Week 5. Dyontae Johnson is another backup LB/ST on IR who could return in Week 5.
So the Giants could elevate Coughlin for three games and then sign him to the active roster in Week 4. Then they *could* cut him after Week 4 when Adams/Johnson are ready to return. Or they could just keep Coughlin on the active roster then. But this move gives them flexibility.
They can have Coughlin for the first four games when they need him while avoiding being tied to him for the full season if he becomes less valuable when injured players return. You’re welcome, Nathaniel.
So do they have a conversation with Carter Coughlin and share that they hope he will stay under a hybrid practice squad/roster situation throughout the year? He agrees to do it unless his agent finds him a better situation? I think I am answering my own question.
So do they have a conversation with Carter Coughlin and share that they hope he will stay under a hybrid practice squad/roster situation throughout the year? He agrees to do it unless his agent finds him a better situation? I think I am answering my own question.
You're basically right. Players don't get "claimed" off the practice squad, they get offered a contract which they can take, or not. So yes, Coughlin can choose the Giants' practice squad over roster offers from other teams if he decides that's the best situation for him.
@DDuggan21
They’re pretty much the most important thing in my world, so let’s take this opportunity to delve into the Carter Coughlin situation.
Coughlin remains a valuable ST player and the Giants will need him on Sunday. It’s shrewd/ruthless to cut him three days before the opener knowing he’s not going to have a better immediate option than signing to their P-squad. So he’ll get elevated for Sunday and make the same check for Week 1. But the big difference is his full season salary won’t become guaranteed, as it would have been if he was on the 53-man roster for Week 1.
The Giants have designated Matthew Adams, another backup LB/special teams ace to return from IR. He can return in Week 5. Dyontae Johnson is another backup LB/ST on IR who could return in Week 5.
So the Giants could elevate Coughlin for three games and then sign him to the active roster in Week 4. Then they *could* cut him after Week 4 when Adams/Johnson are ready to return. Or they could just keep Coughlin on the active roster then. But this move gives them flexibility.
They can have Coughlin for the first four games when they need him while avoiding being tied to him for the full season if he becomes less valuable when injured players return. You’re welcome, Nathaniel.
That is gangster/ruthless.
I know the actives are fewer, but is it not a league rule -NFLPA should have ensured that.
The CBA mandates minimum spending, which addresses the Union's interests in a different way - and, one could argue, a more meaningful one.