Justin Pugh
@JustinPugh
Ok @Giants
fans eventually we’re going to have a talk about all of this.
1. Blaming only the Giants OL for why they shouldn’t re-signed Saquon is the dumbest take. The entire team has struggled the last decade. 3 GMs, 4 Head Coaches, the list goes on. Trust me, I’ve been apart of majority of it.
2. Salary cap isn’t the real reason either. The Eagles figured out a way to pay the entire team and Saquon. We could’ve signed Runyan, traded for Burns and paid Saquon. Don’t let that narrative live any longer.
3. The reason Saquon isn’t a Giant is purely philosophy. Schoen wasn’t willing to pay a RB that much that is OK. He was hired to build the team to win. We made our bed now we lay in it. Can’t be mad at Saquon either, he wanted more and got it.
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@DDuggan21
This nails it, especially on the financial points in 2 and 3. Saquon and Singletary have the same cap hit this year. So the Giants obviously *could* have paid Saquon. But they have a different cap and team-building philosophy than Philly right now. Whether that’s right or wrong is what will be debated endlessly on this app.
I’m firmly in the don’t pay a RB camp. But it’s going to be a LONG year if every game Saquon plays is going to be a referendum on the decision to let him walk. I’m sure Schoen — and especially Mara — wishes he signed with Houston or Chicago or whoever instead of Philly. But what’s done is done. What matters now is how the team Schoen assembled performs
The truth hurts. Deal with it.
One thing I've learned is that it's never as bad as it seems. The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media. I'm not expecting a long playoff run type team, but I do expect them to be around 7 or 8 wins this season.
One thing I've learned is that it's never as bad as it seems. The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media. I'm not expecting a long playoff run type team, but I do expect them to be around 7 or 8 wins this season.
Totally agree.
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The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media.
yes they will. Until proven otherwise they are the worst team not named the panthers.
The Patriots have a shit O-Line with no tackles, a journeyman QB, and no skill position players. What makes them better than the Giants?
He had a good game. He had good games as a Giant.
The Eagles have a better OL, better weapons, and will use him more effectively. He’ll have more good games for them. He’ll also lay some eggs, and I expect he’ll get dinged up as well.
I think we made the right move not to overpay him. I wish him well, hope he performs well, but hope even more the Eagles struggle. If the Eagles have a great year, IMO it won’t be primarily due to Saquon; that team will ride on it’s D, Oline, and stud number one and two WR. Their biggest wildcard is Jalen Hurts and how he performs this year.
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Has media expectations and the fanbase at the lowest point I've seen since I have followed the team. I've never seen anything like it. Even the buzz around Nabers is gone, just because Jones is the QB.
One thing I've learned is that it's never as bad as it seems. The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media. I'm not expecting a long playoff run type team, but I do expect them to be around 7 or 8 wins this season.
Totally agree.
We are winning the division. I can feel it. In my 40 years of watching this team, they blow more often than not when expected to be good and surprise when they are supposed to stink. The. NFC East hasn't had a repeat champ in an eternity. It's week one and I'm choosing to believe it's our time.
One thing I've learned is that it's never as bad as it seems. The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media. I'm not expecting a long playoff run type team, but I do expect them to be around 7 or 8 wins this season.
Which is so incredibly stupid, he literally just got back from being out of football for over a year and it's a freaking preseason game. He was fine in scrimmages. so many dipshits
with no major injuries to key players, 9-7 is my guess.
The second best answer was to apply the franchise tag in 2024 and trade him. At the very least, Schoen would have looked smart for getting something of value for letting an elite talent out the door and trading Barkley to an AFC destination where he would not be impacting the future of this franchise.
The absolute worst possible answer was to 1) let Barkley walk out the door over a tiny differential in price, 2) get zero compensation for him, 3) have him go to our most hated arch rival and 4) be depicted by the entire world on Hard Knocks as being egregiously penny wise pound foolish for making an esoteric argument about positional value as the justification for nickel and diming the very best player on the team and then letting him go for nothing to the Eagles.
And all of this would probably be an insignificant issue except that it is in the context of Schoen paying Daniel Jones the most over inflated contract in Giants history to a middling talent not remotely deserving of such a bloated monstrosity.
The only thing that makes any of this go away is the Giants winning early and often this year to justify these two gargantuan decisions. As you theorized on Inside BBI, maybe this is just part of the strategy to move to a pass first offense and throw Daniel Jones into the deep end of the pool in an effort to once and for all settle the quarterback debate decisively and begin climbing out of quarterback hell before the sun rises on another NFL season?
Holds the record for most TDs by a running back (28) in a season. If Saquon rushes for 1500 and scores say 17 TDs this year, Joe Schoen will wake up with bed bug bite welts all over him.
The person who screwed both Joe and Saquon was Roc Nation's Kim Miale, who told Saquon that he was worth more than the $14M the Giants offered a couple of years ago. THAT was the evil brew that Saquon swallowed and the true reason that Joe held a grudge.
They paid Burns the big cash, so we'll se how that works out.
It’s also true that the state if the team plays a big role here. Philly has not always shelled out this kind of money for their RBs. They clearly see Barkley as a piece to get their talented roster over the hump. I also have a feeling they are not 100% sold on Hurts and believe that Barkley can help take a little off from what he has to do.
NYG are not putting the finishing touches on a SB contending roster. Their view is longer term
He had a good game. He had good games as a Giant.
The Eagles have a better OL, better weapons, and will use him more effectively. He’ll have more good games for them. He’ll also lay some eggs, and I expect he’ll get dinged up as well.
I think we made the right move not to overpay him. I wish him well, hope he performs well, but hope even more the Eagles struggle. If the Eagles have a great year, IMO it won’t be primarily due to Saquon; that team will ride on it’s D, Oline, and stud number one and two WR. Their biggest wildcard is Jalen Hurts and how he performs this year.
I honestly can't think of a better take that this one.
One thing I've learned is that it's never as bad as it seems. The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media. I'm not expecting a long playoff run type team, but I do expect them to be around 7 or 8 wins this season.
I can personally vouch for this. Three weeks and a few hours ago I was very high on the team: Solid practices against the Lions, and the depth guys looked solid in the preseason game.
And then Jones did Jones things from the very first snap of the Houston game. So discouraging.
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The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media.
yes they will. Until proven otherwise they are the worst team not named the panthers.
The Patriots have a shit O-Line with no tackles, a journeyman QB, and no skill position players. What makes them better than the Giants?
Vastly superior QBs. But yes, the Patriots are pretty bad but they do have hope.
Carolina has no hope and the league's worst owner now that Daniel F. Snyder is gone.
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In comment 16597568 JoeyBigBlue said:
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The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media.
yes they will. Until proven otherwise they are the worst team not named the panthers.
The Patriots have a shit O-Line with no tackles, a journeyman QB, and no skill position players. What makes them better than the Giants?
Vastly superior QBs. But yes, the Patriots are pretty bad but they do have hope.
Carolina has no hope and the league's worst owner now that Daniel F. Snyder is gone.
Brissett is not better than Jones and Maye isn’t yet. So vastly superior is FALSE.
The person who screwed both Joe and Saquon was Roc Nation's Kim Miale, who told Saquon that he was worth more than the $14M the Giants offered a couple of years ago.
I agree that we should have traded Barkley before the 2023 deadline, assuming we could get at least a day two pick for him. I don't think Barkley has the same explosion he once did, but he is still powerful and has a lot of short-area quickness.
But right after that little fiasco, Saquon dropped her, after being with her, like 5 years, and went on to another agent.
The die was cast, Joe now had to pay Dan Jones top dollar for less than stellar play and wasn't in the mood to play games with Saquon. Barkley sensed that and bad feelings took over between both men. Party's over.
Joe was willing to give him $13M, the first go-round. It just wasn't in the stars. Maybe it's just Philly's turn to go back to the Big dance and try to rip the Lombardi Trophy out of the Chief's hands.
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The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media.
yes they will. Until proven otherwise they are the worst team not named the panthers.
The default is the worst team not named the Panthers when there were 5 worse teams last year? Newsflash Barkley didn't do much last year other than get hurt before you go that route.
I seldom post or comment, but too many threads turn into a D Jones commentary. I am reading fewer comments and tired of skipping past the D Jones debates !
Can you resolve this Problem ? It drags BBI down!
I seldom post or comment, but too many threads turn into a D Jones commentary. I am reading fewer comments and tired of skipping past the D Jones debates !
Can you resolve this Problem ? It drags BBI down!
Can I "resolve" the problem?
Sure, I can shut down the site. But I don't think you want that.
It seems like their cap management method is the one to follow.
It’s a long season, let’s wait until the dust settles to see where things lie.
I think the Giants are better off without Barkley and Barkley might be better off without the Giants.
Philly didn’t look great, Hurts didn’t look good either. If you didn’t see the game the stats don’t tell the story. I really don’t care how Barkley does this season, it was a bad bet to pay him that contract based on his history.
It seems like their cap management method is the one to follow.
That and Dallas
The big take away from last night's game for Philly ought to be that Jalen Hurts looks very overpaid.
SB is overpaid too, but nowhere near how much Hurts. And unlike DJ who can easily be off the books next year, that Hurts deal is going to hurt for 5+ more years. There is no way out.
The big take away from last night's game for Philly ought to be that Jalen Hurts looks very overpaid.
SB is overpaid too, but nowhere near how much Hurts. And unlike DJ who can easily be off the books next year, that Hurts deal is going to hurt for 5+ more years. There is no way out.
If they could move on from Wentz, I'm sure they can move from Hurts.
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The Giants will not be as bad as they are being portrayed in the media.
yes they will. Until proven otherwise they are the worst team not named the panthers.
You must be young or new to the NFL as a fan. The worst team in the league when they have yet to kickoff for game 1 is just a baseless statement. For goodness sake, can the team play at least one game this season before we start trying to label the team.
I didn't cry much when they let him go, so this isn't an "I told you so." But three points overlooked:
Barkley has lost the explosiveness of his rookie year. But he ran better last year between the tackles and we didn't take into consideration enough that the bad offensive line kept Barkley's numbers pedestrian.
The loss of Saquan will make it more difficult for Jones. The play where Jones dropped back and either handed the ball to Barkley left or kept it and went right was hard to defend. Barkley was also a good outlet receiver.
Hard to believe, but heading into last year Barkley had lost only one fumble in his career.
Last year being last year, he lost two.
Maybe i am misremembering but if that is the cas eit gives yoj insight into why Saquon is not here anymore..
But the truth remains that the O-line gave up 85 sacks and couldn't run block, either.
Saquon was all he had; I give him a ton of credit for salvaging 6 wins, carrying two Albatrosses around his neck - a pathetic O-line and "Kamakazi" Wink Martindale
It seems like their cap management method is the one to follow.