That Schoen and Daboll decided to never pick their own QB.
I do not understand. I cannot remember many examples of this happening before. The whole reason you usually bring in new GM/HC tandems is to change the QB and start over with your own guy.
They stuck with another GM's QB and 2 other HC's QB. I just don't get it. What's the point in either of them if they were never going to change the most important position?
No more excuses. Jones didn't look like a starting quarterback, period. He was hesitant and threw into coverage way to much looking for the same players.
The offensive line is better pass blockers than run blockers.
Daboll stinks and these guys Daboll and Schoen couldn’t get out of town faster. Not having your team ready to play Sam Darnold on week one even if Mickey Mouse was your QB is disgraceful.
Penalty after penalty, especially pre snap.
No real offensive game plan to scheme your receivers open.
I used to think there was some daylight from Schoen and Daboll in that Schoen sucks but Daboll could be salvageable, but that was just wrong.
that they are going to fail Daniel once again. Maybe next year they will get the right pieces around him.
Sarcasm, I hope. Jones is done. You don't turn things around in your seventh year. He is what he is..and he should not be the starting QB for any team in the NFL.
But there is no doubt Schoen is not good at his job…but he is a schmoozer, he will be an NFL lifer no doubt. But he is essentially a useful idiot, he somehow has made this team worse, which was virtually impossible when he was hired. Kudos to him for doing the impossible I suppose
The 2 biggest problems in this organization outside of the QB are Mara and Schoen. Schoen is a fucking clown. Mara is a clueless, silver spoon weakling and this organization continues to be on the hamster wheel into the abyss.
I can’t take it anymore. I truly can’t take it anymore. I couldn’t believe it on draft day and it’s even more amazing now. How the fuck did we not do everything imaginable to make sure we secured a fucking QB?
Some of Head Coach John McKay's comments about the winless 1976 Tampa Bay Bucs
"We've determined that we can't win at home and we can't win on the road. What we need is a neutral site."
"Well we didn't block, but we made up for it by not tackling."
"We can't stop a pass or a run. Otherwise, we're in great shape."
To players planning on staying in Tampa over the offseason: "Stop by my office tomorrow and pick up some fake noses and mustaches so no one recognizes your sorry asses".
"We'll be back. Maybe not in this century, but we'll be back."
during the draft weekend. Sure, there are new patches at OL and a talented wide receiver, but this team got worse on defense and offense this offseason and did nothing about the quarterback position.
This was first-guessed to death by everyone BUT the Giants themselves.
The 2 biggest problems in this organization outside of the QB are Mara and Schoen. Schoen is a fucking clown. Mara is a clueless, silver spoon weakling and this organization continues to be on the hamster wheel into the abyss.
I can’t take it anymore. I truly can’t take it anymore. I couldn’t believe it on draft day and it’s even more amazing now. How the fuck did we not do everything imaginable to make sure we secured a fucking QB?
They offered 6 picks to trade up for a QB. Which is way above market value for draft trades. The teams in position to draft QBs weren't willing to trade. You really can't do anything if the teams you need to trade with aren't willing to trade their pick.
Some of Head Coach John McKay's comments about the winless 1976 Tampa Bay Bucs
"We've determined that we can't win at home and we can't win on the road. What we need is a neutral site."
"Well we didn't block, but we made up for it by not tackling."
"We can't stop a pass or a run. Otherwise, we're in great shape."
To players planning on staying in Tampa over the offseason: "Stop by my office tomorrow and pick up some fake noses and mustaches so no one recognizes your sorry asses".
"We'll be back. Maybe not in this century, but we'll be back."
Lol. McVay comes off not just as funny but willing to laugh at himself. A good look.
I feel badly for the people who out of loyalty to family tradition bought the Mara extortion PSL's and now fight horrible traffic to get to a sub standard stadium for a hugely downgraded tailgating experience and then go inside and see todays level of performance.
The only thing the Mara's have responded to since I've followed the Giants (almost 60 years) is public humiliation. The Mara's ownership is character is small, thin skinned, petty people who demand to be treated like royalty and never publicly criticized. You want to see change at 1925 Mara Way? Fly a plane over the stadium, burn your tickets in the parking lot, dress them up in a clown custom on a fan website. All of that has worked in the past.
It's not my money but if the PSL holders want to put their money where their mouths are sell as many of their tickets as they can to any opposing teams fan base to fill the lousy stadium with other teams fans or stay home. Nothing else will have any impact.
You want change? Make sure the Mara's know the sports world is laughing at them.
We hoped Daboll was that guy. We need a program builder. A culture builder who’s been there and done that and if he’s young and unproven like Daboll, fine, but he better show those key traits early and often. Good first year smoke and mirrors but it’s only gotten worse through the next 18-19 games since week wc weekend 2023.
We need a program builder. Forget the qb for one second. HC first. Another great one just slides into LA with the Chargers while we lose with Daboll.
They fire Coughlin, ok fine. They replace him with not one, not two, not three, but four unproven guys who virtually never did shit as HC on ANY high level.
And here we are. The last program builder was coughlin. The giants need to study the Knicks and learn what to do and not to or they will suck for 20 years. It’s getting closer.
This is where I'm at.
I do not understand. I cannot remember many examples of this happening before. The whole reason you usually bring in new GM/HC tandems is to change the QB and start over with your own guy.
They stuck with another GM's QB and 2 other HC's QB. I just don't get it. What's the point in either of them if they were never going to change the most important position?
The offensive line is better pass blockers than run blockers.
Penalty after penalty, especially pre snap.
No real offensive game plan to scheme your receivers open.
I used to think there was some daylight from Schoen and Daboll in that Schoen sucks but Daboll could be salvageable, but that was just wrong.
Sarcasm, I hope. Jones is done. You don't turn things around in your seventh year. He is what he is..and he should not be the starting QB for any team in the NFL.
Browns, hell we're the 76 Bucs.
exactly. Buy a firestick.
I can’t take it anymore. I truly can’t take it anymore. I couldn’t believe it on draft day and it’s even more amazing now. How the fuck did we not do everything imaginable to make sure we secured a fucking QB?
"We've determined that we can't win at home and we can't win on the road. What we need is a neutral site."
"Well we didn't block, but we made up for it by not tackling."
"We can't stop a pass or a run. Otherwise, we're in great shape."
To players planning on staying in Tampa over the offseason: "Stop by my office tomorrow and pick up some fake noses and mustaches so no one recognizes your sorry asses".
"We'll be back. Maybe not in this century, but we'll be back."
Mara was the one that more or less ordered Schoen to resign Jones, for starters.
The "but they tried" defense that people keep trotting out with a shrug is really annoying.
They had only one plan with a very low chance of success. Even their trying sucks.
This was first-guessed to death by everyone BUT the Giants themselves.
Actually Mara wanted to keep Barkley, it was Schoen who let him go. Our GM is the problem.
I can’t take it anymore. I truly can’t take it anymore. I couldn’t believe it on draft day and it’s even more amazing now. How the fuck did we not do everything imaginable to make sure we secured a fucking QB?
They offered 6 picks to trade up for a QB. Which is way above market value for draft trades. The teams in position to draft QBs weren't willing to trade. You really can't do anything if the teams you need to trade with aren't willing to trade their pick.
"We've determined that we can't win at home and we can't win on the road. What we need is a neutral site."
"Well we didn't block, but we made up for it by not tackling."
"We can't stop a pass or a run. Otherwise, we're in great shape."
To players planning on staying in Tampa over the offseason: "Stop by my office tomorrow and pick up some fake noses and mustaches so no one recognizes your sorry asses".
"We'll be back. Maybe not in this century, but we'll be back."
Lol. McVay comes off not just as funny but willing to laugh at himself. A good look.
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It's always been Mara.
Actually Mara wanted to keep Barkley, it was Schoen who let him go. Our GM is the problem.
are you drunk?
I feel badly for the people who out of loyalty to family tradition bought the Mara extortion PSL's and now fight horrible traffic to get to a sub standard stadium for a hugely downgraded tailgating experience and then go inside and see todays level of performance.
The only thing the Mara's have responded to since I've followed the Giants (almost 60 years) is public humiliation. The Mara's ownership is character is small, thin skinned, petty people who demand to be treated like royalty and never publicly criticized. You want to see change at 1925 Mara Way? Fly a plane over the stadium, burn your tickets in the parking lot, dress them up in a clown custom on a fan website. All of that has worked in the past.
It's not my money but if the PSL holders want to put their money where their mouths are sell as many of their tickets as they can to any opposing teams fan base to fill the lousy stadium with other teams fans or stay home. Nothing else will have any impact.
You want change? Make sure the Mara's know the sports world is laughing at them.
We need a program builder. Forget the qb for one second. HC first. Another great one just slides into LA with the Chargers while we lose with Daboll.
They fire Coughlin, ok fine. They replace him with not one, not two, not three, but four unproven guys who virtually never did shit as HC on ANY high level.
And here we are. The last program builder was coughlin. The giants need to study the Knicks and learn what to do and not to or they will suck for 20 years. It’s getting closer.