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Archer : 9/8/2024 5:54 pm
My son took me to the game today.
We had great seats in the coach's area.

The great seats afforded me an unfettered view of the game.

It was the worst coached game that I have ever attended.
Plenty of blame can be laid on the players, but the coaching let them down.

The defense could not apply pressure. They rarely blitzed.
Darnold's Achilles heel is that he does not handle pressure well. So the strategy is to rush 4.

He had all the time to survey the field. The coverage was good but they lost containment after 4-5 seconds. What is very disturbing is that there was no attempt to change the strategy.
The tackles pushed the ends out wide and they double-teamed Dex. The defense never changed its tactics. Thibodeaux was non existent.

Dabol should fire himself as the play-caller. With all of these great weapons other than Robinson, nobody was open.

Part of the problem was the Giants ran a lot of 12 sets. The TEs never challenged the Vikings' secondary. Manhertz is a blocker and does nothing else. It is not surprising that the receivers were not open. The Vikings doubled Slaton (Hyatt) and Nabors. The plays were called two-man patterns.

Everything else was within 5 yards of the line.
The Vikings were jumping every swing pass. There was only one play where the Slayton used a double move. Jones pumped on that play and Slayton was wide open. This only occurred once.

The Vikings were anticipating the play calls. You could see it on their sidelines the Giants must have predictive tells and it appeared that they knew the plays.

This is only the tip of the iceberg.
The team was not ready to play. It was sloppy and uninspired. The play-calling was defensive and risk-averse.
12 personnel, short passes, etc.. It was playing to shorten the game and emphasize not losing.
This is on Dabol. He coached scared.

One other observation. Daniel Jones is shot. Almost all of his throws were off. He was throwing the ball into the ground. He was uncomfortable and was not setting his feet.

He was feeling pressure that wasn't there. He did not attempt to extend plays. If his first read wasn't there he took off. The OL played well. of the sacks only one or two were due to the OL.

I fear that Jones is done. I am not certain that he can be an effective QB. He should have been benched. The Giants will have a new QB next year.


Great weapons?  
The_Boss : 9/8/2024 5:55 pm : link
This is one of the worst rosters in the sport.
I think personally a lot of the playcalling issues are because  
PatersonPlank : 9/8/2024 5:57 pm : link
Daboll doesn't trust DJ to do anything more. What do you do with a lousy QB? You try to win by keeping the ball on the ground and throwing safe passes, what you don't want to do is turn it over. I think this was the thinking.
Thank you for your report.  
solarmike : 9/8/2024 5:57 pm : link
Painful to read.
Did you get hazard pay  
Jersey Heel : 9/8/2024 5:57 pm : link
For going?
Thanks  
AcidTest : 9/8/2024 5:58 pm : link
for the great write up. I'm sorry you and your son had to sit through, and even worse, pay for that travesty. I think you confirmed what we saw on TV, that Jones and Daboll were bad.
Appreciate the insight.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/8/2024 5:59 pm : link
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Bowen's thing is to get pressure with four  
bc4life : 9/8/2024 6:00 pm : link
But if your thing ain't working....


At one point they  
46and2Blue : 9/8/2024 6:00 pm : link
Lined up and I said they are going to run a keeper …they did…so imagine what they coming were thinking
I was at the game also. I agree the playcallling  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 9/8/2024 6:03 pm : link
Was atrocious by dabaoll bboffense “lets run Qb keepers multilplr times with a qb that has a bad neck.

Also, i question the manhood on this team.. They are soft and played with no emotion. They looked weak.

Alot of look like Tarzan, play like Janes out there.
Thank you  
Giantsbigblue : 9/8/2024 6:05 pm : link
For the perspective. It's what I saw on the TV
The Giants defense has gotten consistent pressure  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/8/2024 6:06 pm : link
for well over a decade at this point. Through hundreds of players and numerous coaches/DCs, they just don't get pressure ever for some reason. Maddening.
*HASN'T gotten consistent pressure.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/8/2024 6:06 pm : link
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The new DC of Daboll’s choice  
thrunthrublue : 9/8/2024 6:10 pm : link
did not rush their qb, and gave up a 99 yard drive in the home stadium….Wink must have felt calling Daboll a totally incompetent asshole deserved, a wink of confirmation!
RE: Great weapons?  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/8/2024 6:10 pm : link
In comment 16600547 The_Boss said:
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This is one of the worst rosters in the sport.


Wait, I was told clearly on bbi that the roster had greatly improved
RE: RE: Great weapons?  
Ben in Tampa : 9/8/2024 6:11 pm : link
In comment 16600605 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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In comment 16600547 The_Boss said:


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This is one of the worst rosters in the sport.



Wait, I was told clearly on bbi that the roster had greatly improved


It has. That's the scary part.
Wink?  
bc4life : 9/8/2024 6:11 pm : link
The guy who allowed Cowboys over 1000 yards in two games. They had 600+ yards and took their foot off the gas.
Thanks Archer  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/8/2024 6:13 pm : link
You confirmed what it looked like to me on TV. Sorry you and your son didn't see at least a more spirited effort. At least you had some great weather...
Thibs  
NJLCO : 9/8/2024 6:24 pm : link
Not one tackle today. How can you be a number one and not have a tackle.
This sucks
Surprised you could analyze that after being at the game.  
Blue21 : 9/8/2024 6:45 pm : link
Daboll couldn't without watching the tape. Seriously the way he answered questions today you would have thought he was blindfolded during the game. Obviously at home on TV we can't see what you see but not surprised about anything you said because that's how it felt.
no  
Giants4me : 9/8/2024 6:47 pm : link
pressure when we had them at the five and two yard line.

easy passes to the flat and they are out of trouble.

Big Gaps between out tackles......Jones had an easy time
on cutbacks.

Gonna be a long year.
Two years in a row  
Archer : 9/8/2024 6:51 pm : link
This is two years in a row where the Giants came out unprepared.

This is becoming a trend.

The Giants are so concerned about injuries that they did not play their starters.

They needed the work.
We shouldn’t give this GM/coach combo another two years with a  
Jim in Hoboken : 9/8/2024 6:58 pm : link
new QB. Mara should’ve learned now to get the fuck out of the way. He flushed 80M down the toilet and wasted 6 years for us fans.

RE: Thibs  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 9/8/2024 7:03 pm : link
In comment 16600653 NJLCO said:
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Not one tackle today. How can you be a number one and not have a tackle.
This sucks



How? Answer: hos smoking habit jas decreased his lung capacity and he physically can give the effort on the field.
RE: I think personally a lot of the playcalling issues are because  
Bill in UT : 9/8/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16600554 PatersonPlank said:
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Daboll doesn't trust DJ to do anything more. What do you do with a lousy QB?


I guess you bench him. You don't come from behind by running the ball
RE: We shouldn’t give this GM/coach combo another two years with a  
Bill in UT : 9/8/2024 7:25 pm : link
In comment 16600789 Jim in Hoboken said:
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new QB.


We shouldn't let them pick a new QB
RE: I think personally a lot of the playcalling issues are because  
Matt123 : 9/8/2024 8:01 pm : link
In comment 16600554 PatersonPlank said:
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Daboll doesn't trust DJ to do anything more. What do you do with a lousy QB? You try to win by keeping the ball on the ground and throwing safe passes, what you don't want to do is turn it over. I think this was the thinking.


After today, no way I believe that. It's giving Daboll an excuse he doesnt deserve.

Just look at what Minn did on offense. Little swing passes, a couple hurry ups followed by a well timed screen. They kept out defense off balance...yet somehow minn defense knew what genius Daboll was going to do every step of the way.

exactly how it looked on tv  
Eric on Li : 9/8/2024 8:10 pm : link
and all too frequently in the last 10 years. coaching clinics by teams not on giants sideline. sam darnold didnt even look that good in SF last year.
RE: RE: I think personally a lot of the playcalling issues are because  
bw in dc : 9/8/2024 8:24 pm : link
In comment 16600987 Matt123 said:
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...yet somehow minn defense knew what genius Daboll was going to do every step of the way.


Yes, Daboll should shoulder the blame because his veteran 6th year/franchise QB still struggles reading a defense and executing plays that are there to be made.

Now, that is "genius" analysis.

I was at the game too  
Sean : 9/8/2024 8:26 pm : link
Just so disappointing. At least in my section, there is zero patience for Jones. It all starts there and that is squarely on Schoen & Daboll.
RE: RE: RE: I think personally a lot of the playcalling issues are because  
speedywheels : 9/8/2024 8:46 pm : link
In comment 16601061 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16600987 Matt123 said:


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...yet somehow minn defense knew what genius Daboll was going to do every step of the way.




Yes, Daboll should shoulder the blame because his veteran 6th year/franchise QB still struggles reading a defense and executing plays that are there to be made.

Now, that is "genius" analysis.


Oh for fucks sake! Daboll should get PLENTY of blame for not having the team prepared to play.

Not to mention - Daboll (and Schoen) agreed to give Jones the contract to begin with. Does he not get blame for that?!
Aside from the QB, Giants personnel are not a total disaster  
GeofromNJ : 9/8/2024 8:50 pm : link
A decent QB will get the ball in the end zone with this personnel. A really good QB will win a few games with this personnel. Jones is a disaster. I would play Lock, bad as he is, just to see what this team can do.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think personally a lot of the playcalling issues are because  
bw in dc : 9/8/2024 8:53 pm : link
In comment 16601102 speedywheels said:
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Oh for fucks sake! Daboll should get PLENTY of blame for not having the team prepared to play.

Not to mention - Daboll (and Schoen) agreed to give Jones the contract to begin with. Does he not get blame for that?!


Starting with your second sentence, Schoen agreed to massively mismanage the contract situation with Team Jones. But, yes, that was a poor decision.

Just focus on the offense for now. On much of the dysfunction today, IYV, falls on Jones and Daboll?

And while you are contemplating that, keep in mind the OL was ready to play and gave Jones time to execute.
RE: Surprised you could analyze that after being at the game.  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/8/2024 9:04 pm : link
In comment 16600745 Blue21 said:
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Daboll couldn't without watching the tape. Seriously the way he answered questions today you would have thought he was blindfolded during the game. Obviously at home on TV we can't see what you see but not surprised about anything you said because that's how it felt.


I wish the reporters would follow up the “I need to watch the tape” response with a deductive statement for Dabs to confirm…so are you saying that you and your staff can’t assess what’s going wrong real time? 😂
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