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BH28 : 9/8/2024 6:23 pm
The stadium emptied out with 13 minutes left in the fourth quarter. On a game where they were honoring their 100 year anniversary.

I'm sure some garbage cans felt Mara's wrath today. This might be the game where ownership finally gives up on Jones. Here's hoping...
BH28  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2024 6:30 pm : link
A lot more than Jones is at stake now.

Not enough free  
thrunthrublue : 9/8/2024 6:31 pm : link
Pepsi to fix this cluster F@&K
Frankly,  
BigBlueinDE : 9/8/2024 6:31 pm : link
I hope the Mara's were embarrassed today. I'm embarrassed as a fan.
RE: BH28  
BigBlueinDE : 9/8/2024 6:32 pm : link
In comment 16600676 Eric from BBI said:
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A lot more than Jones is at stake now.


As it should be.
Considering how pathetically  
jvm52106 : 9/8/2024 6:32 pm : link
Unprepared we seemed to be today, I would have to think Daboll could be on the hot seat..

Clean house  
UberAlias : 9/8/2024 6:32 pm : link
No half measures.
Do they care?  
dlauster : 9/8/2024 6:32 pm : link
That’s an interesting question. The last decade has implied that they do not.
RE: Frankly,  
Silver Spoon : 9/8/2024 6:32 pm : link
In comment 16600679 BigBlueinDE said:
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I hope the Mara's were embarrassed today. I'm embarrassed as a fan.


Exactly - I’m embarrassed to wear any Giants apparel in public. I won’t do it anymore.
Reminds of a scene from Remains of the day  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/8/2024 6:33 pm : link
The Maras are well intentioned amateurs at this point.
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The only way management cares  
JohnF : 9/8/2024 6:33 pm : link
would be if people didn't come at all for a few games. A Boycott would shake things up, it would be a bad look for John Mara to have an empty stadium exposed on TV. Leaving early isn't as big a deal, as the PSL's and tickets are already bought.

The reality is, that's not going to happen. More people are going to sell tickets to other team fans (even more than whats currently happening), since it will be pretty obvious if this continues that this is another lost season.

No reason to waste your time, and you can at least make up the cost of tickets somewhat while watching the game comfortably on your 65 inch tv, no battling traffic, your own bathroom, fridge and easy chair.

Stop buying tickets  
cokeduplt : 9/8/2024 6:34 pm : link
Stop going to games. Save your hard earned money. Fuck Mara.
Ownership will be  
callmecrazy : 9/8/2024 6:35 pm : link
embarrassed but they have been before. They will just hire the wrong people again. It's the Giants way.
Hard Knocks  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 9/8/2024 6:35 pm : link
Remember when Schoen tried to overstate the meaning of being part of the "Ring of Honor" to Barkley as part of the negotiation? LOL!!

Players wants rings, not be recognized at some ceremony 15 years from now. They cant win here and they know it!

Everyone in this organization is tone deaf.
RE: Ownership will be  
Silver Spoon : 9/8/2024 6:36 pm : link
In comment 16600703 callmecrazy said:
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embarrassed but they have been before. They will just hire the wrong people again. It's the Giants way.


Gettleman and Ernie will be on the short list.
Daboll is definitely on the hot seat  
Woodstock : 9/8/2024 6:40 pm : link
I mean..that's obvious and Schoens seat is warm and that was before today's game. I want to say one more thing.

GoTerps is 100% percent correct. I was wrong. I assumed Mara pushed to give Jones the contract. Nope. The Daniel Jones contract is Joe Schoens and Dabolls doing. I was shocked when told, especially with how fast they moved to pivot away from him. It sounds nuts but it's true.
RE: The only way management cares  
56goat : 9/8/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16600693 JohnF said:
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would be if people didn't come at all for a few games. A Boycott would shake things up, it would be a bad look for John Mara to have an empty stadium exposed on TV. Leaving early isn't as big a deal, as the PSL's and tickets are already bought.

The reality is, that's not going to happen. More people are going to sell tickets to other team fans (even more than whats currently happening), since it will be pretty obvious if this continues that this is another lost season.

No reason to waste your time, and you can at least make up the cost of tickets somewhat while watching the game comfortably on your 65 inch tv, no battling traffic, your own bathroom, fridge and easy chair.


Gas up the plane.
What the hell goes on in training camp?  
RobCrossRiver56 : 9/8/2024 6:43 pm : link
The offence did practice, right?
RE: The only way management cares  
56goat : 9/8/2024 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16600693 JohnF said:
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would be if people didn't come at all for a few games. A Boycott would shake things up, it would be a bad look for John Mara to have an empty stadium exposed on TV. Leaving early isn't as big a deal, as the PSL's and tickets are already bought.

The reality is, that's not going to happen. More people are going to sell tickets to other team fans (even more than whats currently happening), since it will be pretty obvious if this continues that this is another lost season.

No reason to waste your time, and you can at least make up the cost of tickets somewhat while watching the game comfortably on your 65 inch tv, no battling traffic, your own bathroom, fridge and easy chair.


Giants and Yankees, the Maras and Hal, are the same. As long as they are making money, all is fine in their world.

Let the peasants eat cake.
RE: What the hell goes on in training camp?  
Silver Spoon : 9/8/2024 6:44 pm : link
In comment 16600735 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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The offence did practice, right?


Yes, against a shit defense.
This was the 7th straight Jones start....  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/8/2024 6:51 pm : link
When he wasn't able to achieve a TD in the first half, but what makes it worse is that he raised his level of ineptness because he wasn't able to direct his team to a get a single TD in the game!
I want Jones gone now! Cut him or trade him, I just don't want him wearing that uniform again.
It's over Jones, you're finished! You will never get any support from me ever again. Get rid of him now!
Also the Giants brain trust  
Woodstock : 9/8/2024 6:53 pm : link
Was supremely confident in winning today's game so it seems that they don't have the pulse of this team at all
Dumb @$$e$  
4xchamps : 9/8/2024 6:55 pm : link
You have no idea what ownership cares about. Yes, we suck. This is just as likely killing Mara slowly as it is not caring...
Woodstock  
88-80-82 : 9/8/2024 7:03 pm : link
I don't doubt that the Jones contract was JS and BD's doing, despite thinking that Mara having a heavy influence on that decision was entirely plausible. Where I get lost is in trying to figure out how they came to the decision to pay him. These are professional, high-level football people. How did they not see the laundry list of deficiencies? It's baffling.
I  
Giants4me : 9/8/2024 7:05 pm : link
was there today.
My last root canal was better.
Woodstock  
arniefez : 9/8/2024 7:08 pm : link
that's not what Pat Leonard is saying right now. He just said the building was very tense all week and that there were people in the building that were angry that the coaches were "preparing" everyone for a potential loss.

Before anyone says a word I don't care what you think of Pat Leonard because I agree with you.

He's a shit stirrer, he was the conduit for Wink and his leakers last year. He's got a look at me, click bait, self promotion agenda. Unlike the Schwartz's, Stapleton's or team employees like Dittino and the ex players on the payroll he's trying to use this job as a stepping stone.

He'll report any dirt he can find. But people in the Giants building talk to him anyway and he has no f's to give about who he pisses off reporting the ugly under belly at 1925 Giants Way.

With the state of the Giants the past decade plus I want a media person with his agenda instead of the usually Baghdad Bob's who protect their access to the owners at all costs.
Embarrassed?  
GiantBlue : 9/8/2024 7:12 pm : link
It is beyond that. Well beyond that.

We need to examine why we care about the 2020’s Giants until something really, really changes.

This is the worst team, organization and ownership in football.
RE: Considering how pathetically  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/8/2024 7:17 pm : link
In comment 16600685 jvm52106 said:
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Unprepared we seemed to be today, I would have to think Daboll could be on the hot seat..


I posted about this a couple weeks ago and it was kind of goofed at for it. This is exactly what I was worried about.
as long as you paid for the ticket going in  
Giantsfan79 : 9/8/2024 7:18 pm : link
no one in the front office cares when you left
This team is not worth getting upset about  
DavidinBMNY : 9/8/2024 7:22 pm : link
Not at this time. We know they wanted a different QB and went to start the year w/ Jones bc they couldn't trade up.

They need a new QB. Either this regime, or they are fired and whomever comes in will certainly get a QB.
RE: Dumb @$$e$  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/8/2024 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16600775 4xchamps said:
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You have no idea what ownership cares about. Yes, we suck. This is just as likely killing Mara slowly as it is not caring...


Nope.

Mara is to blame for this entire mess.

This has to have been a slap in the face for ownership.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/8/2024 7:26 pm : link
100th anniversary celebration. One-off "Century Red" uniforms. Big halftime thing. Revamped roster. Big off-season signing of Burns. New wide receiver touted as a future superstar. And... it was barely better than last year. An embarrassment.

Whatever their surname, the people at the top of the org chart know that this faceplant undercuts whatever plans they have. Is it Daboll's fault? Schoen's? Bowen's? Jones's? All or some of the above? Doesn't matter. This was unacceptable and actively harmful for the franchise. There have been good years and bad years, good games and bad games, but the accumulation of bad games and bad years is a big problem. The Jets, Mets, Yankees, Knicks, Rangers, Islanders and Devils are all more interesting. The Giants are about as interesting as the Nets.
"The Giants are back!"  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/8/2024 7:27 pm : link
...

No they're not John.

No they're not.
RE: This team is not worth getting upset about  
compton : 9/8/2024 7:37 pm : link
In comment 16600863 DavidinBMNY said:
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Not at this time. We know they wanted a different QB and went to start the year w/ Jones bc they couldn't trade up.

They need a new QB. Either this regime, or they are fired and whomever comes in will certainly get a QB.


So it was Maye or bust. So in their eyes, there was no option to improve the QB room without Maye. I don't trust the Giants to make a competent QB decision.
RE: BH28  
BH28 : 9/8/2024 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16600676 Eric from BBI said:
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A lot more than Jones is at stake now.


While I don't disagree, that's where it starts and ends with ownership, IMO. If Schoen and Daboll have convinced ownership they can't win with him, I think they'll get more time with their own QB.
RE: RE: BH28  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2024 7:45 pm : link
In comment 16600935 BH28 said:
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In comment 16600676 Eric from BBI said:


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A lot more than Jones is at stake now.




While I don't disagree, that's where it starts and ends with ownership, IMO. If Schoen and Daboll have convinced ownership they can't win with him, I think they'll get more time with their own QB.


I don't think some get just how catastrophic today was... for Schoen and Daboll.
I'm 51 and I'm done  
Since1976 : 9/8/2024 8:07 pm : link
Started going to games in 1980. Remember being at the NFC championship game against the Redskins in 1986, beating them for the 3rd time that season and the epic wind storm at the stadium as the game ended.

I am done. The organization is trash. The last few years have been unbearable and the worst part is nobody up top giving a shit to completely blow it up and start from absolute scratch. I'm not paying to watch this garbage anymore.

My dad and I watched the game today and we just looked at each other and said "we're done." Sad day, but I'm not supporting a team that continues to make shit decisions and expects fans to pay a small fortune on season tickets in a shitty stadium. I called my cousin today and will be transferring the PSLs to him. Peace out Gmen. It was fun mostly while it lasted.
RE: RE: RE: BH28  
BH28 : 9/8/2024 8:09 pm : link
In comment 16600942 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16600935 BH28 said:


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In comment 16600676 Eric from BBI said:


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A lot more than Jones is at stake now.




While I don't disagree, that's where it starts and ends with ownership, IMO. If Schoen and Daboll have convinced ownership they can't win with him, I think they'll get more time with their own QB.



I don't think some get just how catastrophic today was... for Schoen and Daboll.


I must be in that boat, but maybe it's just Daniel Jones blinders on. I couldn't get over how bad the QB play was that I didn't notice the rest of the team where I feel like Schoen/Daboll are on the hot seat...yet.

If they keep trotting Jones out there week after week if he keeps putting up clunkers, then yeah I think they are hot. And that's when I think Mara will notice if there is half empty stadiums.
Metlife was awful today  
Matt123 : 9/8/2024 8:28 pm : link
Much worse than "empty seats in the 4th quarter".

I'm not sure how much you could hear on TV, but:
- boos started the first drive of the game
- clear "Tommy Cutlets" chant in the first half
- too many bronx cheers to count
- many people actually left in the 3rd quarter

It was a joke there today. And the fans made it clear to anyone in the building that there's frustration as we've seen this before. None of Daboll's "this is a new year/new team, things don't carry over". He needs to figure things out fast.

RE: RE: RE: BH28  
Go Terps : 9/8/2024 8:30 pm : link
In comment 16600942 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16600935 BH28 said:


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In comment 16600676 Eric from BBI said:


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A lot more than Jones is at stake now.




While I don't disagree, that's where it starts and ends with ownership, IMO. If Schoen and Daboll have convinced ownership they can't win with him, I think they'll get more time with their own QB.



I don't think some get just how catastrophic today was... for Schoen and Daboll.


I hope it truly was. We're not going anywhere with them running the show.
Give  
darren in pdx : 9/8/2024 8:36 pm : link
up on Jones? More like Goodbye Daboll and Schoen.
I'm Not Sure They Really Care  
lax counsel : 9/8/2024 8:44 pm : link
All that much. Season tickets are sold out and the Giants fans who don't show up sell to opposing fan bases, who purchase from the concessions. They aren't being hurt in the wallet.
RE: Dumb @$$e$  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/8/2024 8:51 pm : link
In comment 16600775 4xchamps said:
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You have no idea what ownership cares about. Yes, we suck. This is just as likely killing Mara slowly as it is not caring...


Are you pat Hanlon?
If the only people who will take the GM job  
widmerseyebrow : 9/8/2024 8:52 pm : link
Are willing to bow to Mara's groaning then it doesn't matter if they "clean house." The only thing that is on our side is that cleaning house this time happens to coincide with starting over with a new QB. We could luck into aligning GM-HC-QB.
RE: Woodstock  
Woodstock : 9/8/2024 8:58 pm : link
In comment 16600820 arniefez said:
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that's not what Pat Leonard is saying right now. He just said the building was very tense all week and that there were people in the building that were angry that the coaches were "preparing" everyone for a potential loss.

Before anyone says a word I don't care what you think of Pat Leonard because I agree with you.

He's a shit stirrer, he was the conduit for Wink and his leakers last year. He's got a look at me, click bait, self promotion agenda. Unlike the Schwartz's, Stapleton's or team employees like Dittino and the ex players on the payroll he's trying to use this job as a stepping stone.

He'll report any dirt he can find. But people in the Giants building talk to him anyway and he has no f's to give about who he pisses off reporting the ugly under belly at 1925 Giants Way.

With the state of the Giants the past decade plus I want a media person with his agenda instead of the usually Baghdad Bob's who protect their access to the owners at all costs.


I was told that Giants brass was very confident in a win today this morning. I'm not a Pat Leonard hater. He's usually got good sources within the team. But my guy is part of the organization. They thought they were gonna win
RE: Daboll is definitely on the hot seat  
GiantTuff1 : 9/8/2024 9:24 pm : link
In comment 16600721 Woodstock said:
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I mean..that's obvious and Schoens seat is warm and that was before today's game. I want to say one more thing.

GoTerps is 100% percent correct. I was wrong. I assumed Mara pushed to give Jones the contract. Nope. The Daniel Jones contract is Joe Schoens and Dabolls doing. I was shocked when told, especially with how fast they moved to pivot away from him. It sounds nuts but it's true.

Idiots then.

But I assume there was Kool Aid to drink that the Maras were servicing too.

Even still, I would have liked to see them have a chance to develop a rookie but now the argument is mounting against them that if a rookie is coming it would be a selection by a new coach and GM.
RE: Frankly,  
No1MDGiantsFan : 9/8/2024 9:27 pm : link
In comment 16600679 BigBlueinDE said:
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I hope the Mara's were embarrassed today. I'm embarrassed as a fan.


They’ve been embarrassed for years, I’m sure they’re numb to it by now.
RE: Woodstock  
GiantTuff1 : 9/8/2024 9:29 pm : link
In comment 16600820 arniefez said:
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that's not what Pat Leonard is saying right now. He just said the building was very tense all week and that there were people in the building that were angry that the coaches were "preparing" everyone for a potential loss.

Before anyone says a word I don't care what you think of Pat Leonard because I agree with you.

He's a shit stirrer, he was the conduit for Wink and his leakers last year. He's got a look at me, click bait, self promotion agenda. Unlike the Schwartz's, Stapleton's or team employees like Dittino and the ex players on the payroll he's trying to use this job as a stepping stone.

He'll report any dirt he can find. But people in the Giants building talk to him anyway and he has no f's to give about who he pisses off reporting the ugly under belly at 1925 Giants Way.

With the state of the Giants the past decade plus I want a media person with his agenda instead of the usually Baghdad Bob's who protect their access to the owners at all costs.

Why would the coaches tell people in the building to expect a loss? I’ve never heard such a thing in public from a staff. Are they planning to tank for a QB?
RE: RE: Dumb @$$e$  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/8/2024 9:34 pm : link
In comment 16600869 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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In comment 16600775 4xchamps said:


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You have no idea what ownership cares about. Yes, we suck. This is just as likely killing Mara slowly as it is not caring...

Whole family. They are the reason. The only constant



Nope.

Mara is to blame for this entire mess.
Eric  
Sean : 9/8/2024 9:36 pm : link
I made a thread on it. This plus Barkley scoring 3 TD's for Philly just makes it worse in Mara's eyes I'm sure. And while I agree it was correct to let Barkley walk, I heard a lot of comments about it from fans near me today. "Paying Jones $40M but let Barkley walk."

Daboll has now opened the season with 41-0 and 28-6 losses both at home. I don't care who the players are, that's unacceptable. Schoen built this disaster.
RE: RE: RE: BH28  
Scooter185 : 9/8/2024 9:40 pm : link
In comment 16600942 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16600676 Eric from BBI said:


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A lot more than Jones is at stake now.




While I don't disagree, that's where it starts and ends with ownership, IMO. If Schoen and Daboll have convinced ownership they can't win with him, I think they'll get more time with their own QB.



I don't think some get just how catastrophic today was... for Schoen and Daboll.


this afternoon was a realization of my fears on draft night.
Mara will toss around a couple of chairs  
moespree : 9/8/2024 9:43 pm : link
Say "nobody is angrier about this than me" and then talk about how he thinks most of the roster is actually really good but it just hasn't worked out for whatever reason.

Rinse, wash, repeat.
RE: RE: RE: BH28  
regischarlotte : 9/8/2024 11:06 pm : link
In comment 16600942 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16600676 Eric from BBI said:


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A lot more than Jones is at stake now.




While I don't disagree, that's where it starts and ends with ownership, IMO. If Schoen and Daboll have convinced ownership they can't win with him, I think they'll get more time with their own QB.



I don't think some get just how catastrophic today was... for Schoen and Daboll.



And that's the case even if BB were not out there.

IMO we will look back at today as a hugely consequential day for the future course of this org.
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