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Some truly bizarre personnel choices in this game

Ben in Tampa : 9/8/2024 6:44 pm
- Only 51 players on the active roster

- No backup Punt Returner even with Olszewski battling injuries

- Hyatt barely on the field for most of the game after spending all summer as WR2

- No Issaiah Simmons on defense at all, after active summer at nickle/LB

- Flott playing slot corner after not playing slot corner all summer

- Dru Phillips, who is (was?) starting slot corner, causes a fumble, then barely sees the field again

- McFadden plays zero snaps, but was active, after being listed as questionable

*Sources: Various beats on twitter.
Agreed  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2024 6:46 pm : link
only thing I somewhat disagree with is teams don't carry two dedicated punt returners. So once Gunner was out, they had to move to their back-ups who have less experience. The bigger issue is the trainers once again thinking a player was ready when he was not.
Really starting  
46and2Blue : 9/8/2024 6:46 pm : link
Lose Brian Daboll …very excited when he was named head coach but this is bizarre for a head coach…Shane Bowen sucks
I agree  
Essex : 9/8/2024 6:47 pm : link
Sole real head scratching decisions.

But tue evidence that we have terrible ownership, front office, and probably coaching staff is becoming too evident
the fanbase is slowly turning against daboll/schoen  
bigbluewillrise : 9/8/2024 6:47 pm : link
just a matter of time.
The level of incompetence  
Silver Spoon : 9/8/2024 6:48 pm : link
is truly amazing.
I was unimpressed by Daboll  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/8/2024 6:56 pm : link
but I think sometimes we overvalue the overall talent on the team.

We still need a lot of better players.
Totally  
AcidTest : 9/8/2024 6:57 pm : link
agree. Don't understand any of those decisions except the problem with the backup PR after Gunner couldn't go. But as Eric noted, the bigger problem is that the trainers thought a player was healthy enough to play when he was not.
What lesson did BD learn  
thrunthrublue : 9/8/2024 6:58 pm : link
from last season’s first game? Sadly, he and the team get their full game checks and they all must not plan on any playoff dollars, so it’s wash, rinse, repeat for big blew.
I mentioned on the other thread too, something seems strange  
PatersonPlank : 9/8/2024 7:00 pm : link
When Daboll was interviewed coming out of halftime, he didn't seem upset at all. His attitude was like "whatever". There wa none of that Daboll fire. Its almost like someone cut off his nuts so he is tanking and doesn't care.
Is there an explanation on Phillips at all?  
Sy'56 : 9/8/2024 7:06 pm : link
.
Schoen  
AcidTest : 9/8/2024 7:12 pm : link
can't be happy about so many of his draft picks hardly playing. He certainly won't be if that continues next week. His job depends on how they perform.
Dabols  
Giants4me : 9/8/2024 7:12 pm : link
probably pissed because he'd love to pull Jones but knows Mara would be have a fit and this would be his last year here.

Probably will anyway.
well  
Giants4me : 9/8/2024 7:14 pm : link
maybe teams don't carry two dedicated returners but they do have a second guy who doesn't look like he's trying a catch a greased pig.
RE: I was unimpressed by Daboll  
Bill in UT : 9/8/2024 7:17 pm : link
In comment 16600781 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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but I think sometimes we overvalue the overall talent on the team.

We still need a lot of better players.


If the talent level on this team sucks after Schoen has had 3 offseasons to put the team together, then Schoen sucks
The personnel decisions last year were equally as bad but  
kelly : 9/8/2024 7:19 pm : link
But somehow Dabs was never really called out on it because he "kept the team together"
Well now we know  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 9/8/2024 7:24 pm : link
Josh Allen made Daboll, not vice versa.

Totally uninspired play calling.
This has been a consistent theme under Daboll  
BLUATHRT : 9/8/2024 7:26 pm : link
And not talked about enough. Our beats don’t have enough awareness of the game to ask and back down the minute there’s defensiveness. There was a lot to be questioned today in personnel and scheme
Also as for Schoens drafts how many above average starters  
kelly : 9/8/2024 7:28 pm : link
Do we gave from his three years of drafting?

Go ahead and name me all the above average starters from his drafts.

Jms no
Bellinger no
EZ no
Hyatt no
Neal hell no
Wandale not yet
Gray no

Banks no
Nubin too early
Flott no
Hawkins no
The two defensive tackle no
KT no
McFadden maybe


I mean you cannot be an above average team without above average players and we are simply not getting them from our drafts.

In addition we do not have an above average coach. In fact out HC may be below average
Just look at how Josh Allen  
mittenedman : 9/8/2024 7:28 pm : link
plays. Everything's off script. It's hard to credit the OC too much for that.
RE: Also as for Schoens drafts how many above average starters  
Silver Spoon : 9/8/2024 7:32 pm : link
In comment 16600889 kelly said:
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Do we gave from his three years of drafting?

Go ahead and name me all the above average starters from his drafts.

Jms no
Bellinger no
EZ no
Hyatt no
Neal hell no
Wandale not yet
Gray no

Banks no
Nubin too early
Flott no
Hawkins no
The two defensive tackle no
KT no
McFadden maybe


I mean you cannot be an above average team without above average players and we are simply not getting them from our drafts.

In addition we do not have an above average coach. In fact out HC may be below average


The drafting is starting to look abysmal.
RE: Just look at how Josh Allen  
Toth029 : 9/8/2024 7:33 pm : link
In comment 16600891 mittenedman said:
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plays. Everything's off script. It's hard to credit the OC too much for that.


Josh Allen looked better with Joe Brady than Ken Dorsey.

Daboll's playcalling left me uninspired and the team itself, the roster, looked unprepared. That's on him.
RE: Well now we know  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/8/2024 7:36 pm : link
In comment 16600871 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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Josh Allen made Daboll, not vice versa.

Totally uninspired play calling.


We've known that
RE: RE: I was unimpressed by Daboll  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/8/2024 7:55 pm : link
In comment 16600850 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 16600781 SirLoinOfBeef said:


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but I think sometimes we overvalue the overall talent on the team.

We still need a lot of better players.



If the talent level on this team sucks after Schoen has had 3 offseasons to put the team together, then Schoen sucks


He very may well indeed.

Not impressive by a mile.
It’s unlikely that  
Dave on the UWS : 9/8/2024 8:15 pm : link
EVERY guy drafted by JS sucks. Law of averages, somebody can play.
I still don’t think ANY of the coaching staff is worth a damn.
We sing the praises of Henderson and Patterson but who had become a top tier starter under them?

Every other team seemed pretty prepared and functional. The Giants? Not close .
RE: It’s unlikely that  
bw in dc : 9/8/2024 8:18 pm : link
In comment 16601038 Dave on the UWS said:
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EVERY guy drafted by JS sucks. Law of averages, somebody can play.
I still don’t think ANY of the coaching staff is worth a damn.
We sing the praises of Henderson and Patterson but who had become a top tier starter under them?

Every other team seemed pretty prepared and functional. The Giants? Not close .


Did you watch the Browns today at home?
RE: I mentioned on the other thread too, something seems strange  
Blueworm : 9/8/2024 8:22 pm : link
In comment 16600795 PatersonPlank said:
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When Daboll was interviewed coming out of halftime, he didn't seem upset at all. His attitude was like "whatever". There wa none of that Daboll fire. Its almost like someone cut off his nuts so he is tanking and doesn't care.


He got shat on for yelling.
Clear as day  
regischarlotte : 9/8/2024 9:05 pm : link
They are tanking with a capital T.
RE: Clear as day  
GiantTuff1 : 9/8/2024 9:10 pm : link
In comment 16601147 regischarlotte said:
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They are tanking with a capital T.

This crossed my mind as well.
The only things I can think of with Daboll  
Matt M. : 9/8/2024 11:09 pm : link
1) His attitude seems to be in response to all the crybaby criticism about his yelling last year. I'd rather have the fiery HC than this shit.

2) The playcalling, to me, indicated Daboll has no confidence in Jones. This is not good.
RE: RE: Clear as day  
mittenedman : 9/9/2024 7:31 am : link
In comment 16601171 GiantTuff1 said:
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In comment 16601147 regischarlotte said:


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They are tanking with a capital T.


This crossed my mind as well.


Now fucking way can these guys survive a tank. No way. Although maybe they're dumb enough to think they can.
Are we really surprised about Mcfadden?  
nygiants16 : 9/9/2024 7:33 am : link
We saw all training camp how different guys were getting 1st team reps next to Okereke..
McFadden sucks  
mittenedman : 9/9/2024 7:33 am : link
He made a few plays shooting gaps for Wink, as everyone will. Other than that, he's JAG.
Maybe that conversation we all saw on Hard Knocks  
BlueHurricane : 9/9/2024 7:42 am : link
About "if this, this and this happen than is Nabers and we roll with Daniel" had really already happened behind closed doors only it went "if this, this, and this happen than its Nabers and we tank the fucking season with Daniel so we can get a QB next years draft"
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