if he plays poorly and they lose, i think hes done as a NYG.
he will get inactives and wait for the heatlhy physical at end of league year and be released.
this might be his last start ever.
the media/fan pressure, its boiling over.
0-2 another year.... its done
daboll and schoen have to start thinking about themselves, distance themselves from DJ....
see how Lock can run dabolls offense.
then hell get another week....
if he plays poorly, the Org will have to cut the cord and save themselves from cap hell
Yup. Jones will throw for 214 yards and a TD and the Giants will win 19-17 and they'll throw a goddamn parade.
whereas if Jones just fails his way thru 2024 theres at least an argument to be made that Jones is just a loser.
Lock isnt saving the day, lets be real. So theres very little incentive to run anyone but Jones out there if youre BD or JS.
whereas if Jones just fails his way thru 2024 theres at least an argument to be made that Jones is just a loser.
Lock isnt saving the day, lets be real. So theres very little incentive to run anyone but Jones out there if youre BD or JS.
you have to start thinking about the guarantee dollars.
you need to formulate a plan for mara in 2025.
if you play him and you are on the hook for the money, Schoen will get canned.
Daboll needs to prove a playcaller he still has it.
you cant just expect mara will bring you back. you need to prove it to ownership, the fanbase, yourself.
get a functional offense with any QB, it doesnt have to be a top 10 offense, but it needs to be functional.
For whatever reason, he's had a lot of success playing them.
What a mess.
This is the problem. If Daboll and Schoen are coaching for their jobs, they will play Jones through week 17 because we have all seen the outsized evaluation John Mara puts on any positives late in the season.
Who knew Jerrel Jernigan could play?
All too well. And I remember saying how daft that level of thinking was/is.
With so much turnover in the NFL, unless you have key parts in place like the Chiefs or 9ers, there is no carryover momentum.
And that stadium is going to be an absolute mad house on Sunday. WFT fans have been released from a 25 year prison sentence and been rewarded with an exciting QB prospect.
It's a really weird setup - 2 bad teams playing an asymmetrically important game for each fan base. But also completely meaningless in the context of the season
I don’t think Mara cares about the injury guarantee. He has the money. It is the embarrassment that will bother him. If Jones keeps playing like this he needs to be benched. It will be hard to argue Jones gives them the best chance to win. I am not saying Locke is the answer either but the bar is really low right now.
The coaching staff, front office and ownership are the only morons on planet earth who don't know that.
If they had any clue or balls they would have accelerated his cap hit to this year and cut him in the spring. Take your medicine now and be clear going forward. And spare me that they couldn't afford to do that this year. Yeah, a team who is one of the 2 worst in the entire sport and has no future definitely can't just suck it up and take their medicine so their awful decision making doesn't continue to impact them into future years.
Even having him on this roster is malpractice.
The crazy thing is winning at all costs should also be a reason for Jones to sit the bench. He sucks. They somehow still dont see that.
You do not want the alternative, which is Jayden Daniels starting a streak of confidence that last his career.
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against Washington. Time for Danny and Kayvon to pad some stats.
You do not want the alternative, which is Jayden Daniels starting a streak of confidence that last his career.
I dont think next week is going to have any real long terml impact on Jayden Daniels career win or lose.
Hopefully the Redskins win and the Giants dont get one of their 2 meaningless wins against them to take them out of position for a QB.
I have zero problem with fans not actively wanting a loss, but the people who flip out about anyone wanting to bottom out so they can actually get a real QB should be punched in the face. This is why meaningless wins for players who have zero chance to be part of this teams long term future suck. We need to bottom out. If we didn't in 2004 we very well may be looking at a 34 year Super Bowl drought.
Bottoming out helps a franchise. The Giants problem is the year they actually did bottom out they thought taking a runni gn back #2 was good for business. That's why it didn't work.
This team has ZERO chance to make the playoffs. If you believe they do you have zero clue what you're watching.
This team has ZERO chance to make the playoffs. If you believe they do you have zero clue what you're watching.
Deep down, most know you are right. But I highly question if we could even draft whoever the next best QB prospect will be, even with the 1rst pick.
At some point, you have to start putting it 100% on the guy that starts the chain of bad decisions, and that is the owner (s).
And even IF he (they?) got 100% "out of the way", they still had to be competent enough to find someone to pick a good GM. If you can't do any of that, kiss the franchise goodbye until the current owners sell or pass.
Between the above, and more and more games being on different paid streaming services, Is there that much of a reason to keep watching? I'd love to hear the convincing case on how this org will turn itself around, but I doubt anyone can make it.
Had 1 good season and earned all that money. We let good players go and kept this
Had 1 good season and earned all that money. We let good players go and kept this
This. If we cut ties w Jones we could have kept 3 other players. This is why we suck.
I am still on the Mara edict to play Jones bandwagon.
Daniel Jones has to go. If I never see him throw another pass it’s too soon. Our prized rookie WR is already showing frustration. The Defense is constantly playing with their backs to the wall.
Nothing will change until the Giants draft a highly rated QB.
Thus, they need to lose. And lose a lot. The Giants need a top 3 pick.
Right now, best scenario looks like 6-11 or 5-12. Both of these records will make it difficult, like in this past draft, to trade up to a top spot.
Just lose baby. Put us out of our Daniel Jones misery.
That should have been it....
Based on what we saw from HK, it seems clear they are trying to move on from Jones. So why is Jones still playing? If they are unified from moving on from him and are being given that rope by Mara then why does Jones need to be in if it risks the future CAP?
I think they are still being held hostage and the weird Lock is here to compete oh wait no he’s a backup PR machine afterwards and the Russ Wilson flirtation but no he would back up Jones backs this up.
The Panthers and 2 Redskins games are huge for the Giants future. They need to go 1-2 or 0-3. Only way they're going to be in position to draft one of the top QBs.
Who knew Jerrel Jernigan could play?
Amen to this and empty stands driving poor decisions, like teeing up the injury & resulting guarantee.
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Jones will have us usual mediocre game and everyone will jump back on the bandwagon.
Yup. Jones will throw for 214 yards and a TD and the Giants will win 19-17 and they'll throw a goddamn parade.
That’s funny, because people will say how well Jones plays v Wash, but those are almost exactly his per game averages against the Commanders. The bar is so low for him we have to dig a hole.
That’s funny, because people will say how well Jones plays v Wash, but those are almost exactly his per game averages against the Commanders. The bar is so low for him we have to dig a hole.
Washington is always Jones's firewall. And he will very likely do well next Sunday by his standards. He'll toss a short TD pass, maybe run one in, and Washington will do what they always do against us lately - pull out the silver platter and give us the game on it.
Based on what we saw from HK, it seems clear they are trying to move on from Jones. So why is Jones still playing? If they are unified from moving on from him and are being given that rope by Mara then why does Jones need to be in if it risks the future CAP?
I think they are still being held hostage and the weird Lock is here to compete oh wait no he’s a backup PR machine afterwards and the Russ Wilson flirtation but no he would back up Jones backs this up.
Good post. I am trying to wrap my ahead around three alternatives:
the Giants management are reasonably intelligent adults and are acting rationally
or they are incompetent.
A third alternative is that they are reasonably intelligent (I am mostly convinced Daboll at least is very smart) but the internal strife in the Giants is making the environment totally dysfunctional and preventing rational decisionmaking.
Leaning towards the third.
Maybe he's decided he's going to die on the Jones hill? Maybe he wanted to move on from Jones and Schoen didn't? Maybe Daboll is going to make sure he's not the only one fired when the season ends.
The big difference (aside from Jones never having been good) is that, unlike 2019, we don't even have a long-term successor waiting in the wings. That's the biggest consequence of picking Malik Nabers at 6. Not saying it was wrong, just that it wasn't consequence-free.
Maybe he's decided he's going to die on the Jones hill? Maybe he wanted to move on from Jones and Schoen didn't? Maybe Daboll is going to make sure he's not the only one fired when the season ends.
Or possibly there’s an agreement between Mara, Schoen and Daboll to tank this season?
If Tim McDonnell is going to be part of the player evaluation and acquisition front office make him the GM and have everyone report to him. End the charade of having one of the owners "report" to an employee. Or remove him from the "front office" and make him CEO in waiting whatever that title would be and have the GM report to him.
Everyone in the organization knows the Mara's are in charge and that Tim isn't an employee and will survive no matter how many GMs come and go. The way it's setup now invites more than the usual backstabbing and politicking, going behind or around the GM. The way it's setup now has been a colossal, historic failure.
The Pats and the Cowboys both have next generation family in their correct slots. The Giants do not.
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but this HC is still insisting on playing Ezeudu at LT and refuses to practice Evan Neal at guard. He's open to putting Adoree Jackson back on punt returns again. He put Flott back in the slot after he played and practiced outside the entire off season.
Maybe he's decided he's going to die on the Jones hill? Maybe he wanted to move on from Jones and Schoen didn't? Maybe Daboll is going to make sure he's not the only one fired when the season ends.
Or possibly there’s an agreement between Mara, Schoen and Daboll to tank this season?
Do not underestimate institutional intransigance. These people have gone all in and some have bet their careers on the narrative that Daniel is a hard worker who has all the tools and they did everything they could to screw him up so they went out and got an OL and weapons.
The narrative was wrong and blew through all the caution signals, but they are not going to give up on that narrative easily.
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That’s funny, because people will say how well Jones plays v Wash, but those are almost exactly his per game averages against the Commanders. The bar is so low for him we have to dig a hole.
Washington is always Jones's firewall. And he will very likely do well next Sunday by his standards. He'll toss a short TD pass, maybe run one in, and Washington will do what they always do against us lately - pull out the silver platter and give us the game on it.
Exactly. I’m curious as to which QB you like in next years draft?