win or lose. 5 million? that is $97,000.00 a week over a 52 week year. He can, and after this season will BE the worst (hopefully unemployed) nfl coach in a league of 32 teams, but still he gets paid more than most if not all on this site.....to be just so putrid. No wonder he is so ozempically smug. Just watch the fans booing Jones on his way to the parking lot. None of them, make as much as Daboll, but all of them are true giant fans, which BD is not.
Assuming this season winds up as badly as it's begun, 2025 will be "Win or Else" for Daboll, and perhaps Schoen as well. But not before.
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The fans are the suckers
Assuming this season winds up as badly as it's begun, 2025 will be "Win or Else" for Daboll, and perhaps Schoen as well. But not before.
that makes zero sense for multiple reasons. If Giants finish with a terrible record they will be picking high and will be picking a QB.
So you really are going to have a GM/Coach on the "hot seat" and trusting them to pick the next franchise QB?
Then you put a young QB in a situation where the HC and new system could potentially get thrown out the window after year 1?
You gotta make the move on the regime this year. You are either firing them and letting someone else pick the QB a rebuild this...or you gotta give Schoen/Daboll multiple years behind there new QB.
So choose between those two options...and I don't see how anyone has any confidence in this current regime getting the QB position right after all the premium picks they have already missed on.
Assuming this season winds up as badly as it's begun, 2025 will be "Win or Else" for Daboll, and perhaps Schoen as well. But not before.
They are both going if the season is as putrid as today looked
Mara gave them his usual "I need to see progress" speech that he always gives as his way of saying you are on the hot seat.
They have now been outscored 68-6 in 2 straight home openers. People leaving before the game is over two years in a row in the home opener, miserable and booing. That stuff is big time to Mara.
Today was absolute worst case scenario for both Schoen and Daboll.
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not unless Schoen goes with him, and that's not happening either.
Assuming this season winds up as badly as it's begun, 2025 will be "Win or Else" for Daboll, and perhaps Schoen as well. But not before.
that makes zero sense for multiple reasons. If Giants finish with a terrible record they will be picking high and will be picking a QB.
So you really are going to have a GM/Coach on the "hot seat" and trusting them to pick the next franchise QB?
Then you put a young QB in a situation where the HC and new system could potentially get thrown out the window after year 1?
You gotta make the move on the regime this year. You are either firing them and letting someone else pick the QB a rebuild this...or you gotta give Schoen/Daboll multiple years behind there new QB.
So choose between those two options...and I don't see how anyone has any confidence in this current regime getting the QB position right after all the premium picks they have already missed on.
The only real argument for dismissing Schoen and Daboll at the end of his season is that Daniel Jones was "their QB" and they've swung and missed with him, so they don't deserve a second bite of the apple.
This logic is, at best, specious - since the argument could easily be made that by the time Daboll got his hands on him, Jones was already what he was going to be, and maybe at his best he was never going to be more than average. Here we would cite John Mara's significant quote on the matter from 2022 - "We've done everything possible to screw this kid up." If Mara thought Jones was a reclamation project before Daboll even got here, how's he supposed to logically fault Daboll for not succeeding in reclaiming him? Then there's the salient fact that Daboll and Jones have won a playoff game together.
I disagree that allowing Daboll and Schoen the chance to pick the next franchise QB ties us to them for several more years. Continuity may be ideal, but every year, coaches get axed without regard for how it will affect any single player's development. But then, I also disagree that Schoen's record as a GM is really that bad. Neal has been a miss at RT to this point, but most teams had him as a starter quality player in the 2022 draft. And if he eventually kicks inside to guard and works out, that won't be a bad outcome.
I am flipping out how bad Daboll is out coached almost ever game by all teams. He is awful in reacting to other teams on the field moves. Daboll has shown me nothing in getting his team motivated or fired up. I am also thinking that his players for whatever reason don't respond to his overall coaching. If this shit show continues serious consideration must be to showing him the door. This team looks and plays lost, listless and unmotivated regardless of the opponent. Premium draft picks do nothing for the most part under Daboll's command. I fear we have another clunker as head coach.
Assuming this season winds up as badly as it's begun, 2025 will be "Win or Else" for Daboll, and perhaps Schoen as well. But not before.
This would be an absolute disaster if Mara was thinking this way. Schoen & Daboll draft a QB only to potentially get fired the next year with the next regime inheriting that QB. That would be the Giants way though.
Assuming this season winds up as badly as it's begun, 2025 will be "Win or Else" for Daboll, and perhaps Schoen as well. But not before.
Might as well fire them now then. Even if you get a rookie qb, you pretty much won’t get got football out of him for a year. Williams and Daniels didn’t look good week 1. Maye didn’t even play.
Assuming this season winds up as badly as it's begun, 2025 will be "Win or Else" for Daboll, and perhaps Schoen as well. But not before.
If this season goes down the tubes, no. You can't have them pick the QB, fail next year, then replace them.
Start over by flushing the entire turd.
Schoen also paid jones a ton of money and messed up the franchise for years because of it
Schoen and daboll give off the vibe that they think they are so smart and that their shit doesn’t stink. Newsflash guys this team STINKS
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not unless Schoen goes with him, and that's not happening either.
Assuming this season winds up as badly as it's begun, 2025 will be "Win or Else" for Daboll, and perhaps Schoen as well. But not before.
that makes zero sense for multiple reasons. If Giants finish with a terrible record they will be picking high and will be picking a QB.
So you really are going to have a GM/Coach on the "hot seat" and trusting them to pick the next franchise QB?
Then you put a young QB in a situation where the HC and new system could potentially get thrown out the window after year 1?
You gotta make the move on the regime this year. You are either firing them and letting someone else pick the QB a rebuild this...or you gotta give Schoen/Daboll multiple years behind there new QB.
So choose between those two options...and I don't see how anyone has any confidence in this current regime getting the QB position right after all the premium picks they have already missed on.
The only real argument for dismissing Schoen and Daboll at the end of his season is that Daniel Jones was "their QB" and they've swung and missed with him, so they don't deserve a second bite of the apple.
This logic is, at best, specious - since the argument could easily be made that by the time Daboll got his hands on him, Jones was already what he was going to be, and maybe at his best he was never going to be more than average. Here we would cite John Mara's significant quote on the matter from 2022 - "We've done everything possible to screw this kid up." If Mara thought Jones was a reclamation project before Daboll even got here, how's he supposed to logically fault Daboll for not succeeding in reclaiming him? Then there's the salient fact that Daboll and Jones have won a playoff game together.
I disagree that allowing Daboll and Schoen the chance to pick the next franchise QB ties us to them for several more years. Continuity may be ideal, but every year, coaches get axed without regard for how it will affect any single player's development. But then, I also disagree that Schoen's record as a GM is really that bad. Neal has been a miss at RT to this point, but most teams had him as a starter quality player in the 2022 draft. And if he eventually kicks inside to guard and works out, that won't be a bad outcome.
While most teams rated him that way, it's the job of the GM to pull the trigger. Carolina passed on Neal for a different offensive lineman.
More importantly, Neal is just part of a pattern where every single one of Schoen's picks have been questionable players.
The NFL is a brutal business. I don't compare NFL players and/or money to any other sport. MLB, NBA a player retires he has his overall health and his life in front of him. Even NHL players which is a much more physically demanding and contact sport than the NBA and certainly MLB can retire and live a pretty healthy life. Not most NFL players.
Good for Daniel Jones that he got paid. If he is smart when this season ends and the Giants release him he should walk away from football and have a great life with all the money he'll ever need.
Jones is one more bad hit to his neck from a life in wheel chair. He's one of the lucky ones though. Very few NFL players leave the game with life changing money. Almost all of them leave the game with life debilitating heath issues and injuries and live in pain everyday. More of them are dying way before their time every year.
I understand this is the business they've chosen. That doesn't matter to me. In the NFL, GMing, coaching, and especially playing is a very tough way to make a living.
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not unless Schoen goes with him, and that's not happening either.
Assuming this season winds up as badly as it's begun, 2025 will be "Win or Else" for Daboll, and perhaps Schoen as well. But not before.
that makes zero sense for multiple reasons. If Giants finish with a terrible record they will be picking high and will be picking a QB.
So you really are going to have a GM/Coach on the "hot seat" and trusting them to pick the next franchise QB?
Then you put a young QB in a situation where the HC and new system could potentially get thrown out the window after year 1?
You gotta make the move on the regime this year. You are either firing them and letting someone else pick the QB a rebuild this...or you gotta give Schoen/Daboll multiple years behind there new QB.
So choose between those two options...and I don't see how anyone has any confidence in this current regime getting the QB position right after all the premium picks they have already missed on.
The only real argument for dismissing Schoen and Daboll at the end of his season is that Daniel Jones was "their QB" and they've swung and missed with him, so they don't deserve a second bite of the apple.
This logic is, at best, specious - since the argument could easily be made that by the time Daboll got his hands on him, Jones was already what he was going to be, and maybe at his best he was never going to be more than average. Here we would cite John Mara's significant quote on the matter from 2022 - "We've done everything possible to screw this kid up." If Mara thought Jones was a reclamation project before Daboll even got here, how's he supposed to logically fault Daboll for not succeeding in reclaiming him? Then there's the salient fact that Daboll and Jones have won a playoff game together.
I disagree that allowing Daboll and Schoen the chance to pick the next franchise QB ties us to them for several more years. Continuity may be ideal, but every year, coaches get axed without regard for how it will affect any single player's development. But then, I also disagree that Schoen's record as a GM is really that bad. Neal has been a miss at RT to this point, but most teams had him as a starter quality player in the 2022 draft. And if he eventually kicks inside to guard and works out, that won't be a bad outcome.