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So, what happened to #74 Greg Van Roten?

M.S. : 9/9/2024 6:38 am

I thought he was supposed to be a decent pass blocker, no? It's not as though he was going up against a young Aaron Donald. What the hell happened out there yesterday?

(1) Are we to write off his performance as a one-off hiccup?

(2) Lack of reps playing next to JMS?

(3) Or did Joe Schoen misfire badly as he tried to patch a hole in his O-line with an over-the-hill 34-year-old vet after he failed to re-build the line through the Draft?

(4) Or did Greg Van Roten just get pulled down by the general suck of this entire franchise and his right-side buddy Jermaine Eluemunor couldn't pull him out of it?

(5) Something else?
He turned out to be Van Rotten  
jeff57 : 9/9/2024 6:39 am : link
.
It’s the same endless loop  
mittenedman : 9/9/2024 6:41 am : link
of failure.

Get rid of Bredeson and Glowinski and bring in the next turnstyle.

You can’t explain how awful this team is. The Washington Generals.
It’s been over a decade across 3 regimes and we still can’t fix  
The_Boss : 9/9/2024 6:50 am : link
The fucking OL. I don’t get it.
Are we going to start a  
section125 : 9/9/2024 6:54 am : link
separate thread on each player that didn't perform to Pro Bowl level?
Frankly, I didn't think Thomas played too well yesterday. I only watched two quarters, but it wasn't Van Roten that stood out.
Honestly  
mfjmfj : 9/9/2024 6:59 am : link
I though the O line was decent. Not great but certainly nothing like last year, which is what I was hoping for. Having a QB with the Yips makes Oline not very relevant.

Numerous times he ran out of a decent pocket into pressure. I fricking hated that as a tackle. He never once threw to where a receiver was going to be as opposed to where they were. he will make any oline look bad.
RE: Honestly  
gmanfromgland : 9/9/2024 7:26 am : link
In comment 16601616 mfjmfj said:
[quote] I though the O line was decent. Not great but certainly nothing like last year, which is what I was hoping for. Having a QB with the Yips makes Oline not very relevant.

Numerous times he ran out of a decent pocket into pressure. I fricking hated that as a tackle. He never once threw to where a receiver was going to be as opposed to where they were. he will make any oline look bad. [/quote

What he said!
RE: It’s the same endless loop  
FStubbs : 9/9/2024 7:51 am : link
In comment 16601603 mittenedman said:
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of failure.

Get rid of Bredeson and Glowinski and bring in the next turnstyle.

You can’t explain how awful this team is. The Washington Generals.


And then they go elsewhere and play well.
RE: It’s the same endless loop  
FStubbs : 9/9/2024 7:53 am : link
In comment 16601603 mittenedman said:
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of failure.

Get rid of Bredeson and Glowinski and bring in the next turnstyle.

You can’t explain how awful this team is. The Washington Generals.


... That being said, I thought the OL looked overall mediocre at best, which is way better than historically bad.
FWIW, I believe Vilma  
section125 : 9/9/2024 7:53 am : link
mentioned that Jones was getting a lot more time than he had been in previous years.
RE: FWIW, I believe Vilma  
GiantsFan84 : 9/9/2024 8:23 am : link
In comment 16601666 section125 said:
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mentioned that Jones was getting a lot more time than he had been in previous years.


That’s a VERY low bar lol
Guy is 34 years old.  
Silver Spoon : 9/9/2024 8:24 am : link
Sometimes they just fall off a cliff in their mid-30's - that's a norm with this shitty organization.
RE: FWIW, I believe Vilma  
M.S. : 9/9/2024 8:24 am : link
In comment 16601666 section125 said:
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mentioned that Jones was getting a lot more time than he had been in previous years.

What I have in my mind’s eye is the first half when he looked like a turnstile. Maybe his 2nd half was better?
I thought the OL was fine - Jones just makes everyone look like crap  
PatersonPlank : 9/9/2024 8:26 am : link
HE can't throw or read a defense, so the Vikings just made sure the short 5 yd passes he likes to throw are covered and focused on the run. There is no deep or medium threat at all, even though we have fast WRs.

The OL gave Jones plenty of NFL time. If we had a decent QB this whole offense would look different.
I thought the OL played decently.  
Matt M. : 9/9/2024 8:42 am : link
The sacks came in the 2nd half when the game was out of reach and the DL could pin their ears back and get after the QB.

In the first half, there was time, a clean pocket, and the running game was serviceable.
I  
AcidTest : 9/9/2024 8:54 am : link
wasn't impressed with him or Schmitz. He's 34. Players age quickly in this league. He probably shouldn't be starting.
The pass protection was probably still below league average  
arniefez : 9/9/2024 8:56 am : link
but Jones had enough time to throw the ball downfield and he just refuses to do it.
RE: RE: FWIW, I believe Vilma  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2024 9:01 am : link
In comment 16601714 GiantsFan84 said:
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In comment 16601666 section125 said:


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mentioned that Jones was getting a lot more time than he had been in previous years.



That’s a VERY low bar lol


2.5 seconds is league average.

If you notice on tv that he is getting time, its better than average.
Another Couple Weeks Of Crap From Van Rotten  
Trainmaster : 9/9/2024 10:45 am : link
And we may see Neal at RT with Eleumunor at RG or just Neal at RG.

RE: Another Couple Weeks Of Crap From Van Rotten  
Matt M. : 9/9/2024 10:47 am : link
In comment 16602105 Trainmaster said:
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And we may see Neal at RT with Eleumunor at RG or just Neal at RG.
I wouldn't expect Neal at RG. People are still throwing that around, but he does not practice at OG.
he's a journeyman  
Eric on Li : 9/9/2024 10:47 am : link
that was a journeyman performance.
RE: It’s been over a decade across 3 regimes and we still can’t fix  
I Love Clams Casino : 9/9/2024 11:05 am : link
In comment 16601608 The_Boss said:
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The fucking OL. I don’t get it.


no team energy. Giants play in a gigantic grey air conditioning compressor that they share with the Jets. It's boring, it smells, the team has no identity, no fandom. Giants are the Eeyore of the league...."thanks for noticing"
RE: he's a journeyman  
JoeSchoens11 : 9/9/2024 11:12 am : link
In comment 16602110 Eric on Li said:
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that was a journeyman performance.
+1. He played at his contract level for a semi-late pre-season desperation pick-up.

He was bad but not ‘ruin the game’ level bad.



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