Jones has physical tool but what I’m seeing is someone who is shell shocked. He can’t settle in the pocket and process what’s going on, he’s too afraid. He has that deer in the headlights look about him. He can wow people in practice but when the defense is for real, he wilts.
There’s no coming back from that in today’s NFL.
1) his processing issue has never improved
2) can't stay healthy
3) ruined by continuous coaching change, terrible OL and supporting casts
Instead they decided this year, the **SIXTH** year, is when he'll magically shed ALL of the above, he just needs a great WR. Look at what Jefferson did for Cousins!!
You'd like to think these guys are professionals who LIVE this there's no way we could be so right while they're so wrong but year after year they're the laughingstock of the league EVEN AFTER CHANGING COACHES AND THE FRONT OFFICE MULTIPLE TIMES.
I've joked for a few years following this team is a mental illness. I shut off the game yesterday and watched a movie with my son and after 30+ years as a 44 year old man I think I'm finally ready to divorce myself from this franchise. I just take this stuff too seriously and to be honest I'm not a fan of the league anymore with all the rule changes and unchecked greed - a regular season game in Brazil on the Peacock app????? Imagine saying that just 5 years ago lol!
Good luck to those who stick it out, you absolutely deserve better at this point, and congrats to those hitting the reset button
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for 3 sacks yesterday. Anybody who has played offense or coached football saw them - he literally got himself sacked 3 times yesterday.
Was the OL great? No - but I'm viscerally angry today seeing the usual suspects (Dottino, Ed Valentine) trying to keep "sugarcoating" it with throwing OL under the bus.
The QB made the OL "look" worse than they actually played.
This was Brandon Jacobs' point last night and he was absolutely right to say so.
The OL wasn't the issue in that game. A good QB could have performed just fine with that OL.
Certainly well enough to score more than 2 FGs.
Jones is not the answer but let's stop with revisionist history. He had what was at the time the second best rookie season for a QB ever (third best now). To say he was mediocre as a rookie is not true.
We need a fucking Program builder!
Clown show.
Can’t make him feel uncomfortable.
1) his processing issue has never improved
2) can't stay healthy
3) ruined by continuous coaching change, terrible OL and supporting casts
Instead they decided this year, the **SIXTH** year, is when he'll magically shed ALL of the above, he just needs a great WR. Look at what Jefferson did for Cousins!!
You'd like to think these guys are professionals who LIVE this there's no way we could be so right while they're so wrong but year after year they're the laughingstock of the league EVEN AFTER CHANGING COACHES AND THE FRONT OFFICE MULTIPLE TIMES.
I've joked for a few years following this team is a mental illness. I shut off the game yesterday and watched a movie with my son and after 30+ years as a 44 year old man I think I'm finally ready to divorce myself from this franchise. I just take this stuff too seriously and to be honest I'm not a fan of the league anymore with all the rule changes and unchecked greed - a regular season game in Brazil on the Peacock app????? Imagine saying that just 5 years ago lol!
Good luck to those who stick it out, you absolutely deserve better at this point, and congrats to those hitting the reset button
And year after year people come on this board and question how people can second guess the professionals and to let things play out. “The Giants are paying Daniel Jones, so they believe in him -deal with it” was a popular retort from a poster who now appears to be MIA.
He had three big games as a rookie against three terrible defenses. Those remain the three best games he's ever played. He stunk in most of the rest of his games that year, turning the ball over at an alarming rate, and has been mediocre to awful ever since.
And the nephew looks equally incompetent. And he's the future...
Jones is not the answer but let's stop with revisionist history. He had what was at the time the second best rookie season for a QB ever (third best now). To say he was mediocre as a rookie is not true.
Third best rookie season of any quarterback? Are you basing this on him having the 3rd most touchdown passes as a rookie at the time?
My career progression stopped because I could not for whatever reason read defenses. I always wondered why guys seemed to be more open for everyone else, but finally realized it was me.
Some guys just have it. I didn't.
There were arguments here about whether he had been “David Carr’ed”. He may not have been what the Giants hoped early on, but he didn’t look scared to get hit or scared to make a mistake. He looks petrified back there now. As I said last season, I don’t know of you can fix that and I’m even more certain that you don’t want to waste time trying to see if it’s fixable.
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And always stunk. He was mediocre in high school, mediocre in college, mediocre as a rookie and mediocre in 2022. The rest of the time he’s stunk
Jones is not the answer but let's stop with revisionist history. He had what was at the time the second best rookie season for a QB ever (third best now). To say he was mediocre as a rookie is not true.
He had 13 tds and 2 turnovers against 3 of the worse defenses in the league.
He had 11 TDs and 28 turnovers in his 10 other games.
That’s not one of the best rookie seasons ever.
What is the constant here, present in all of these seasons? Right.
No offense, but this is bullshit.
His first NFL start was 1000% better than any of the “great high school prospects” we saw start their careers yesterday.
I have no idea why that high school horseshit keeps getting regurgitated. Its so completely irrelevant. Just pure idiocy.
He’s somehow top 5 in touchdown passes as a rookie in NFL history, but apparently was never any good and was the only rookie to play bad defenses.
I guess Caleb Williams played the 2000 Ravens yesterday.
I don’t even know why I’m arguing over this (at this point, it truly doesn’t matter), but I just can’t stand when people say that.
The stat that I will continue to keep posting that never fails to astonish: 21% of Daniel Jones' career touchdown passes, over 61 career starts, came in those three games his rookie years.
21% of the TDs occured in 5% of his starts.
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He wasn’t good as a rookie. And I think it says a lot that he’s been mediocre to bad for 14 years of football, but yet some people thought that it was magically going to change in year 14.
He’s somehow top 5 in touchdown passes as a rookie in NFL history, but apparently was never any good and was the only rookie to play bad defenses.
I guess Caleb Williams played the 2000 Ravens yesterday.
I don’t even know why I’m arguing over this (at this point, it truly doesn’t matter), but I just can’t stand when people say that.
Fine I’ll repost it since you don’t want to read:
He had 11 TDs and 28 turnovers in his 10 other games.
Caleb Williams has played one game. What’s a bigger indication of performance 3 games or 10?
I don't care if he stepped on a Lego and bruised his toe or he has PTSD. He doesn't belong under center.
The Eagles put the last nail in his coffin. Including that playoff game, Jones has gone 145 229 1230 63% 5.3 per attempt 2 TD and 9 INT's since that time, and we have won just 1 game where he started.
Those pointing to the neck injury are forgetting how bad he was before that. It's continued this season. Keep Jones in the pocket, change up the coverage to make him read the defense and gather in the errant passes and picks. DC's have his number and Daboll has no more tricks up his sleeve.
The Jones supporters like to point to Trevor Lawrence’s stats being the same but can anyone imagine Daniel Jones making this throw?
Lawrence to Thomas - ( New Window )
Mara famously said they've done everything possible to screw this kid up and they did exactly that. He's cooked between the ears.
He's not the same guy as this guy - ( New Window )
He hasn’t improved since 2022, not one bit. That’s on him.
As a rookie he had Pat Shurmur, who had just coaxed a nearly identical season out of Case Keenum two years earlier.
DJ's rookie year should be viewed as an endorsement of Shurmur's ability to prop up a bad QB rather than a flash of what Jones could have been.
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And always stunk. He was mediocre in high school, mediocre in college, mediocre as a rookie and mediocre in 2022. The rest of the time he’s stunk
Jones is not the answer but let's stop with revisionist history. He had what was at the time the second best rookie season for a QB ever (third best now). To say he was mediocre as a rookie is not true.
He had 19 fumbles as a rookie and Pat Shurmur replicating his Case Keenum offense from 2017.
"Second best rookie season for a QB ever"? Talk about revisionist history.
To make matters worse he also seems to have lost speed and agility which is what would save him from his poor processing. That escapability looks much worse.
Backup player is his ceiling. He needs to be benched because he is not the future and poses financial risk to the organization. End of story.
The Jones supporters like to point to Trevor Lawrence’s stats being the same but can anyone imagine Daniel Jones making this throw? Lawrence to Thomas - ( New Window )
Go back and look at Sy’s review for the Giants Jags game from 2022 and guess which one Sy said was the better QB on the field that day. Hint: It wasn’t the ballyhooed high school prospect. And it’s certainly undeniable that Jones had the better rookie season of the two.
Jones didn’t have one of the greatest rookie seasons of all time. But he did play well enough that it’s understandable why the Giants didn’t immediately toss him overboard. Even when he was turning the ball over as a rookie, he didn’t look like he does now, which is petrified of his own shadow.
Yep, I have to agree.
If you want to keep the team engaged, I think you have to go to Lock ASAP.
It has turned just not into seeing the field, he missed some very easy throws yesterday to guys that were open.
If he's not going to hit those - you're losing every single week.
He'll probably improve that next week - but the other issues remain.
Make the swtich already.
Clown show.
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That's not how this organization operates at QB. It's full bloom love or nothing.
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The Jones supporters like to point to Trevor Lawrence’s stats being the same but can anyone imagine Daniel Jones making this throw? Lawrence to Thomas - ( New Window )
Go back and look at Sy’s review for the Giants Jags game from 2022 and guess which one Sy said was the better QB on the field that day. Hint: It wasn’t the ballyhooed high school prospect. And it’s certainly undeniable that Jones had the better rookie season of the two.
Jones didn’t have one of the greatest rookie seasons of all time. But he did play well enough that it’s understandable why the Giants didn’t immediately toss him overboard. Even when he was turning the ball over as a rookie, he didn’t look like he does now, which is petrified of his own shadow.
Congrats Jones played better than Lawrence in one game in 2022. Lawrence is still light years ahead of Jones as a QB and I don’t think Lawrence is that good.
The Giants should have tossed Jones overboard after 2020 and definitely should have in 2021.
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and it's not particularly close. You could clearly see he is broken. It's never looked as bad as this.
Yep, I have to agree.
If you want to keep the team engaged, I think you have to go to Lock ASAP.
It has turned just not into seeing the field, he missed some very easy throws yesterday to guys that were open.
If he's not going to hit those - you're losing every single week.
He'll probably improve that next week - but the other issues remain.
Make the swtich already.
People threw a lot of shots at me when I said three players told me they preferred Lock. Look at the body language and Thomas’ quotes last week (Thomas wasn’t one of the players).
Should have played the fourth quarter go get his feet wet.
Esp since he hadn't really played since the first preseason game.
The bottom line is, the guy has not improved. The Giants were banking on him continuing to show improvement after 2022 and he did not deliver.
Hard worker, I'm sure he can curl a 60 pound dumbell with perfect form. But there is no evidence of improvement on the field.
Average arm. Slow delivery. Slow processing. Poor pocket management.
He's not good. He's never been good.
He has not regressed. He just hasn't and can't get better. He is limited by his processing ability.
Congrats Jones played better than Lawrence in one game in 2022. Lawrence is still light years ahead of Jones as a QB and I don’t think Lawrence is that good.
The Giants should have tossed Jones overboard after 2020 and definitely should have in 2021.
According to the Immutable Law of High School Prospect Rankings, Jones shouldn’t be better than the top overall prospect even one day of his football playing life. And they certainly shouldn’t have similar numbers through their first 51 career starts. And they shouldn’t have the same amount of playoff wins.
Unless that was always a bullshit talking point that no one should ever repeat.
He has not regressed. He just hasn't and can't get better. He is limited by his processing ability.
I guess the Titans “had the book” on Caleb Williams before he even started a game.
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Congrats Jones played better than Lawrence in one game in 2022. Lawrence is still light years ahead of Jones as a QB and I don’t think Lawrence is that good.
The Giants should have tossed Jones overboard after 2020 and definitely should have in 2021.
According to the Immutable Law of High School Prospect Rankings, Jones shouldn’t be better than the top overall prospect even one day of his football playing life. And they certainly shouldn’t have similar numbers through their first 51 career starts. And they shouldn’t have the same amount of playoff wins.
Unless that was always a bullshit talking point that no one should ever repeat.
You still failing to grasp the point of his high school ranking being referenced is user error.
You should check their stats over the last two years and compare them. It’s light years apart.
Patrick Mahomes once got out played by Zach Wilson last year, one game sample sizes are stupid. 14 years of sample sizes, aren’t. But even if you want to leave out high school. He’s been mediocre and bad for 10 years.
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Congrats Jones played better than Lawrence in one game in 2022. Lawrence is still light years ahead of Jones as a QB and I don’t think Lawrence is that good.
The Giants should have tossed Jones overboard after 2020 and definitely should have in 2021.
According to the Immutable Law of High School Prospect Rankings, Jones shouldn’t be better than the top overall prospect even one day of his football playing life. And they certainly shouldn’t have similar numbers through their first 51 career starts. And they shouldn’t have the same amount of playoff wins.
Unless that was always a bullshit talking point that no one should ever repeat.
The snark would have a lot more teeth if Jones and Lawrence had similar career trajectories.
Lawrence has been a disappointment, true. But his "first 51 starts" numbers also include a rookie year under Urban Meyer and the shitshow that followed.
Jones, meanwhile, is only even remotely close to Lawrence (despite Lawrence being a disappointment) because of a rookie year propped up by Pat Shurmur (who did the same thing with Case Keenum, a player that no one will ever confuse with a franchise QB).
It's such a silly comparison to begin with, but it also relies on an insultingly low level of critical thought in order to give it any oxygen.
Average arm. Slow delivery. Slow processing. Poor pocket management.
He's not good. He's never been good.
He doesn't have the straight line speed anymore. Even last year's version of Jones probably would've had bigger plays with his legs.
I don't even know what you're arguing here. Caleb Williams ceiling one start into his NFL career is equal to Daniel Jones 60 starts in?