ended is mind boggling (clearly long before that too). It was clear that they wanted to move off of Jones in the lead up to the draft, but then once it became clear they weren't going to be able to land the QB of the future they wanted, they kind of just dug their heels in on sticking with Jones.
To be honest, it looks like the plan was to take a few weeks to see what they have with Jones, and then have Taylor as a stop gap if the wheels came off. They seem to have been completely blindsided by Taylor leaving, and made a panic signing with Lock.
At this point, seems like the plan is to suffer with Jones throught the hardest part of the scedule, and then in Novemeber when it looks to soften a bit you make the QB change and then use that as a sign of things turning around, save jobs, blah blah blah.
We all know how this will go. Jones will get injured, triggering his injury clause for next season. Daboll gets fired with 4 games to go. Kafka takes over as the interim and wins two of the last 4 games against teams with nothing to play for, in ugly fashion. Mara decides that Kafka did a great job and also has the added benefit of knowing Daniel and Daniel being in his system for 3 years now so Kafka is the perfect HC to usher in year 7 of the Daniel Jones experiment. Book it
I wish I could say that sounded like complete fiction, but who would be shocked if it happened? They did inexplicably block Kafka from becoming a coach elsewhere even though he had been "benched" as offensive coordinator multiple times that season. It's not hard to imagine that Jones' success in the first half of 2022 played a part in that.
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
·
30s
Daboll said there are no plans to bring another QB in or change the practice reps among the quarterbacks.
Does any reporter press him on why? Jones doesn't produce any touchdowns- what do you have to lose in trying a new option?
This is what I'd like to know too. Sheesh, do your job. I'd ask Daboll - Both Giants fans and neutral observers have concluded that Jones is not an NFL quarterback - you preach open competition, why not try someone else?
as Boomer Esiason said about DJ. I believe Jones has the football version of PTSD and to make matters worse I think the players know he is playing scared. DJ is a nice kid but it is time to go in another direction at QB.
I am more disturbed by Dabolls performance than I am Jones
Daboll was coach of the year 2 years ago. He set the tone in the 1st game of that season, taking a team nobody counted on to the playoffs. He also set the tone last year. Seemingly poor preparation and a really bad OL lead to an incredibly bad start but a mildly improving team last year. And with his play calling and team (un)preparedness so poor yesterday, I have to question his offseason preparations. I couldn't believe they had the play clock expire on them in the first quarter of the first game? Maybe get Kafka to do something? And Maybe have our Defensive coordinator do something. Besides Dex's play in the 1st series, the front seven didn't seem to show up. Maybe I am reading too much into two plays but Philips caused a fumble and made a stop on 3rd down near the goal line(only for a TD to be given up by our stud CB on the next play). Maybe he doesn't have a grasp of his players yet, but McCloud couldn't seem to set or hold the edge on running plays and should have been benched BEFORE he got hurt. Coaching was as bad as the play yesterday. I think THATs inexcusable. Vrabel brings in his own QB next year and we start all over....AGAIN!
This is not a quick fix. GM is a huge question mark, scouts are terrible. The org doesn’t draft well. Look at the 5th rd pick by the Cowboys, Caelon Carson?! He played well yesterday! They seem to get gems all the time?! There are so many other factors. The Giants are lost.
I don't know why you would blame Jones. Those coaches chose to start Jones. Those decisions don't rest with Daniel. So this needs to be put on daboll unless you think John is putting his thumb on the scale.
I don’t know what else they can do aside from sign someone
continue to stick with him and lose, rather than start Lock or DeVito and win games that hurt draft position, like last year. They need to draft in the top 3, picking 8-15 isn't going to help this team next year
I don't know why you would blame Jones. Those coaches chose to start Jones. Those decisions don't rest with Daniel. So this needs to be put on daboll unless you think John is putting his thumb on the scale.
I 100 % agree, you can think Jones sucks, and Jones can suck, its not his fault that he is on the field to suck.
Daboll was there and signed off on Jones getting his contract, Daboll was there to solve an issue to replace Jones or have a viable back up, It was Daboll to play Jones yesterday. It was Daboll who took the playcalling away because he thought he was better than Kafka, and then called even a worse game. It was Daboll is built the gameplan who go with double and triple tight ends. He cant use the excuse that he did not like the QB, that is on him for fixing the issue in 3 years. He chose to have Lock and Devito as his other options.
I don't blame him for the gameplan. He is trying to win with the QB he has. Jones can't throw downfield, so he went with a heavy formation of running and short passes. Thats likely why he tried two QB runs, he has no confidence that Jones can throw
RE: I only blame Daboll if he continues to play Jones
I don't blame him for the gameplan. He is trying to win with the QB he has. Jones can't throw downfield, so he went with a heavy formation of running and short passes. Thats likely why he tried two QB runs, he has no confidence that Jones can throw
This is my question for you, When did he lose confidence in DJ? I have no need for head coach to start a brand new season with a QB he has no confidence in when its 3rd year.
If its me, I get a new GM and a new HC, sorry, you had 3 years, you did nothing. This is just like Judge, loser mentality bullshit. We said wow look what JS/Daboll did with a shit roster they inherited. Now two years later, you cant say its the roster, because its their roster, their decision making, their play calling. The object is win games and look competitive in the games you lose, they are failing terribly. They have this year to right the ship, but if they dont there is no reason to re-invest.
How do you not blame the head coach in the gameplan. He thought there was going to be pressure and there wasn't, and Daboll never adjusted. Cant blame play calling on Kafka anymore.
...as a condition of being hired. Nothing else explains this absurdity.
100%
Look at McAdoo and Shurmur, they were likely told they have to work with and "fix" Eli and the offense... Ownership has displayed a history of foisting beloved players on coaches and GM's (Gettlemen included) and forcing them to make it work.
even if he were so inclined (which he probably isn't).
This...
Really, then that would mean his is weak. What happens if Daboll benches Jones? Does he get fired? Do you think that would make him look bad to other NFL teams?
Im not buying the Mara conspiracy theory. Coaches cant afford to lose to make current owners happy because they will get fired any way. Unless the agreement is play Jones until so you tank the season so you can get your QB, but that theory makes no sense because of Jones' injury clause. You literally can not afford him to the be the sacrificial lamb.
Shocked if he made a change this week. We'll see what his tune is if Jones continues to play like he did yesterday
i DON'T SEE HIM MAKING A CHANGE UNTIL 4 GAMES INTO THE SEASON....This is it for DJ, they need to prove without a shadow of a doubt they they made a mistake. I think in their minds, one or 2 games later than earlier....we are going nowhere anyway, and we have mediocrity sitting on the bench.
In comment 16602536 bw in dc said:
[quote] cut Jones this offseason and taken the cap hit. Like Denver did with Wilson.
This. How much better would be the outlook for the Giants if Jones was no longer on the team and we had Nix or McCarthy starting (no matter how much they suck).
If you can't sell wins, you have to sell hope. a rookie QB, even playing poorly, still has hope and upside that they'll improve. Jones has no upside and no hope, and certainly the Giants aren't winning with him
I love that line. I've used it before, and it sucks that the hope is currently playing Saturdays, whoever he is.
Expecting To See Daboll In A Beret At His Next Presser
cut Jones this offseason and taken the cap hit. Like Denver did with Wilson.
But it makes sense to run it back with Jones this week just because Jones has had a lot of success against Washington in his career. My guess is Daboll is thinking it's the ideal game to stop this early bleeding.
Yeah, it's easier said than done about benching DJ.
I just can't see Lock being that bad - esp given the metrics of the rest of the team (in another post).
BUT - he needs to move on this sooner rather than later.
Again - Lock should have been in there during the fourth quarter yesterday.
I agree especially about not taking him out in the 4th qtr. imagine if Jones got hurt during garbage time and it cemented the contract for next year.
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
·
1m
Daboll said they leaned on big personnel because they were trying to settle things down and were expecting a heavy dose of pressure.
Yikes. He'd be better off not admitting that publicly.
Did he forget who the DC he was facing was? Flores isn't known as someone who sends pressures
RE: They were never going to bench him after 1 game
It's funny to me how the people who vocally did express seeing this coming are so vilified by some people on this site.
There is a particular poster who always labels such people as Jones "haters."
Well, put me down as one: I am a Jones hater. I want him out the building.
How many months ago was his surgery? How many people have come back this fast? Y’all shocked his first game was a clunker and the coach is sticking with him?
Does that shock you at all?
If so, you are dumb as a bag of fucking hammers.
Not talking about should he be benched.
That is something else entirely.
I am saying, If you did not think Jones would get a pass for bad game in his first game back, less than a year after a major injury, you are a fucking idiot and nothing will convince me of anything else.
I get it, you all mad.
Game 1, we don’t even play in the preseason anymore, we have no idea what we have. How many new starters? Rooks? C’mon
How many months ago was his surgery? How many people have come back this fast? Y’all shocked his first game was a clunker and the coach is sticking with him?
Does that shock you at all?
If so, you are dumb as a bag of fucking hammers.
Not talking about should he be benched.
That is something else entirely.
I am saying, If you did not think Jones would get a pass for bad game in his first game back, less than a year after a major injury, you are a fucking idiot and nothing will convince me of anything else.
I get it, you all mad.
Game 1, we don’t even play in the preseason anymore, we have no idea what we have. How many new starters? Rooks? C’mon
I heard BBI was now going to give weekly awards for posts like this one.
Before Jones left with his injuries last year, he wasn't playing great. He was putrid.
Granted, it was one game, the performance yesterday was Jones picking up where left off. Which ww saw signs of, btw, in preseason.
BW I am will agree to anything you say about his performance. I am saying that with the limited action he saw in preseason games, his first game back…
C’mon you are too fucking intelligent to know a switch is not happening after 1 game and not likely to happen. If he sucks, he will be given a chance to come back, if he can’t the losses help with next year’s lottery.
How many months ago was his surgery? How many people have come back this fast? Y’all shocked his first game was a clunker and the coach is sticking with him?
Does that shock you at all?
If so, you are dumb as a bag of fucking hammers.
Not talking about should he be benched.
That is something else entirely.
I am saying, If you did not think Jones would get a pass for bad game in his first game back, less than a year after a major injury, you are a fucking idiot and nothing will convince me of anything else.
I get it, you all mad.
Game 1, we don’t even play in the preseason anymore, we have no idea what we have. How many new starters? Rooks? C’mon
How many months ago was his surgery? How many people have come back this fast? Y’all shocked his first game was a clunker and the coach is sticking with him?
Does that shock you at all?
If so, you are dumb as a bag of fucking hammers.
Not talking about should he be benched.
That is something else entirely.
I am saying, If you did not think Jones would get a pass for bad game in his first game back, less than a year after a major injury, you are a fucking idiot and nothing will convince me of anything else.
I get it, you all mad.
Game 1, we don’t even play in the preseason anymore, we have no idea what we have. How many new starters? Rooks? C’mon
He looked exactly how he looked last year before he got hurt. This is nonsense
accepted a job contingent on Jones being THE NYG QB then they deserve to look like morons
I would bet a paycheck that Jones being the starter was a big factor in selecting Schoen and Daboll.
Back when Joe Judge was hired Peter King blatantly told Chris Russo that John Mara wasn't hiring anyone who didn't say Jones would be their starting QB.
Jones - ( New Window )
To be honest, it looks like the plan was to take a few weeks to see what they have with Jones, and then have Taylor as a stop gap if the wheels came off. They seem to have been completely blindsided by Taylor leaving, and made a panic signing with Lock.
At this point, seems like the plan is to suffer with Jones throught the hardest part of the scedule, and then in Novemeber when it looks to soften a bit you make the QB change and then use that as a sign of things turning around, save jobs, blah blah blah.
I wish I could say that sounded like complete fiction, but who would be shocked if it happened? They did inexplicably block Kafka from becoming a coach elsewhere even though he had been "benched" as offensive coordinator multiple times that season. It's not hard to imagine that Jones' success in the first half of 2022 played a part in that.
Quote:
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
·
30s
Daboll said there are no plans to bring another QB in or change the practice reps among the quarterbacks.
Does any reporter press him on why? Jones doesn't produce any touchdowns- what do you have to lose in trying a new option?
This is what I'd like to know too. Sheesh, do your job. I'd ask Daboll - Both Giants fans and neutral observers have concluded that Jones is not an NFL quarterback - you preach open competition, why not try someone else?
Instead, Daboll is forced to keep testing Jones with multiplication flash cards. And then hoping he can construct an offense that fits that.
Sorry, coach. But you are dealing with a QB who is probably best suited for the UFL.
Then Judge
Now Daboll
Daniel Jones is the ultimate coach killer!
I don't know why you would blame Jones. Those coaches chose to start Jones. Those decisions don't rest with Daniel. So this needs to be put on daboll unless you think John is putting his thumb on the scale.
Quote:
First Shurmur
Then Judge
Now Daboll
Daniel Jones is the ultimate coach killer!
I don't know why you would blame Jones. Those coaches chose to start Jones. Those decisions don't rest with Daniel. So this needs to be put on daboll unless you think John is putting his thumb on the scale.
I 100 % agree, you can think Jones sucks, and Jones can suck, its not his fault that he is on the field to suck.
Daboll was there and signed off on Jones getting his contract, Daboll was there to solve an issue to replace Jones or have a viable back up, It was Daboll to play Jones yesterday. It was Daboll who took the playcalling away because he thought he was better than Kafka, and then called even a worse game. It was Daboll is built the gameplan who go with double and triple tight ends. He cant use the excuse that he did not like the QB, that is on him for fixing the issue in 3 years. He chose to have Lock and Devito as his other options.
This is my question for you, When did he lose confidence in DJ? I have no need for head coach to start a brand new season with a QB he has no confidence in when its 3rd year.
If its me, I get a new GM and a new HC, sorry, you had 3 years, you did nothing. This is just like Judge, loser mentality bullshit. We said wow look what JS/Daboll did with a shit roster they inherited. Now two years later, you cant say its the roster, because its their roster, their decision making, their play calling. The object is win games and look competitive in the games you lose, they are failing terribly. They have this year to right the ship, but if they dont there is no reason to re-invest.
How do you not blame the head coach in the gameplan. He thought there was going to be pressure and there wasn't, and Daboll never adjusted. Cant blame play calling on Kafka anymore.
This...
100%
Look at McAdoo and Shurmur, they were likely told they have to work with and "fix" Eli and the offense... Ownership has displayed a history of foisting beloved players on coaches and GM's (Gettlemen included) and forcing them to make it work.
Quote:
even if he were so inclined (which he probably isn't).
This...
Really, then that would mean his is weak. What happens if Daboll benches Jones? Does he get fired? Do you think that would make him look bad to other NFL teams?
Im not buying the Mara conspiracy theory. Coaches cant afford to lose to make current owners happy because they will get fired any way. Unless the agreement is play Jones until so you tank the season so you can get your QB, but that theory makes no sense because of Jones' injury clause. You literally can not afford him to the be the sacrificial lamb.
Gives 10 days to prepare Lock/DeVito and give BS excuses why it took so long.
:-)
Quote:
Shocked if he made a change this week. We'll see what his tune is if Jones continues to play like he did yesterday
i DON'T SEE HIM MAKING A CHANGE UNTIL 4 GAMES INTO THE SEASON....This is it for DJ, they need to prove without a shadow of a doubt they they made a mistake. I think in their minds, one or 2 games later than earlier....we are going nowhere anyway, and we have mediocrity sitting on the bench.
Or do they need to make a point to the CEO?
Quote:
In comment 16602536 bw in dc said:
[quote] cut Jones this offseason and taken the cap hit. Like Denver did with Wilson.
This. How much better would be the outlook for the Giants if Jones was no longer on the team and we had Nix or McCarthy starting (no matter how much they suck).
If you can't sell wins, you have to sell hope. a rookie QB, even playing poorly, still has hope and upside that they'll improve. Jones has no upside and no hope, and certainly the Giants aren't winning with him
I love that line. I've used it before, and it sucks that the hope is currently playing Saturdays, whoever he is.
Quote:
cut Jones this offseason and taken the cap hit. Like Denver did with Wilson.
But it makes sense to run it back with Jones this week just because Jones has had a lot of success against Washington in his career. My guess is Daboll is thinking it's the ideal game to stop this early bleeding.
Yeah, it's easier said than done about benching DJ.
I just can't see Lock being that bad - esp given the metrics of the rest of the team (in another post).
BUT - he needs to move on this sooner rather than later.
Again - Lock should have been in there during the fourth quarter yesterday.
It's funny to me how the people who vocally did express seeing this coming are so vilified by some people on this site.
Quote:
Oh wait...
It's funny to me how the people who vocally did express seeing this coming are so vilified by some people on this site.
The temptation to pull receipts is strong, but I don't have enough PTO to dedicate to the effort.
Quote:
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
·
1m
Daboll said they leaned on big personnel because they were trying to settle things down and were expecting a heavy dose of pressure.
Yikes. He'd be better off not admitting that publicly.
If he keeps playing like this, we will eventually see the other QBs. But it's not like they're that good either
I agree. It makes sense. You just can’t give up on him after just one game. Plus the Org doesn’t work that way. They are loyal to a fault.
Quote:
Oh wait...
It's funny to me how the people who vocally did express seeing this coming are so vilified by some people on this site.
There is a particular poster who always labels such people as Jones "haters."
Well, put me down as one: I am a Jones hater. I want him out the building.
And also staying hired.
Would have never believed this, but at this stage there can be no other rational explanation.
Daniel Jones presence on this roster alone is condition precedent for never stating the front office knows more than fans sitting on their couch.
Does that shock you at all?
If so, you are dumb as a bag of fucking hammers.
Not talking about should he be benched.
That is something else entirely.
I am saying, If you did not think Jones would get a pass for bad game in his first game back, less than a year after a major injury, you are a fucking idiot and nothing will convince me of anything else.
I get it, you all mad.
Game 1, we don’t even play in the preseason anymore, we have no idea what we have. How many new starters? Rooks? C’mon
Does that shock you at all?
If so, you are dumb as a bag of fucking hammers.
Not talking about should he be benched.
That is something else entirely.
I am saying, If you did not think Jones would get a pass for bad game in his first game back, less than a year after a major injury, you are a fucking idiot and nothing will convince me of anything else.
I get it, you all mad.
Game 1, we don’t even play in the preseason anymore, we have no idea what we have. How many new starters? Rooks? C’mon
I heard BBI was now going to give weekly awards for posts like this one.
Granted, it was one game, the performance yesterday was Jones picking up where left off. Which ww saw signs of, btw, in preseason.
Granted, it was one game, the performance yesterday was Jones picking up where left off. Which ww saw signs of, btw, in preseason.
These Jones defenders are starting to remind me of Japanese soldiers in the Pacific circa 1954 who refused to believe Japan surrendered in WWII.
2) Not sure it's necessarily a good thing if they found a lot of plays to be made. That reinforces that Jones missed a lot of plays.
Granted, it was one game, the performance yesterday was Jones picking up where left off. Which ww saw signs of, btw, in preseason.
C’mon you are too fucking intelligent to know a switch is not happening after 1 game and not likely to happen. If he sucks, he will be given a chance to come back, if he can’t the losses help with next year’s lottery.
Knowing he has a leash is easy.
I am saying that was predictable.
He may very well be total Shite.
Does that shock you at all?
If so, you are dumb as a bag of fucking hammers.
Not talking about should he be benched.
That is something else entirely.
I am saying, If you did not think Jones would get a pass for bad game in his first game back, less than a year after a major injury, you are a fucking idiot and nothing will convince me of anything else.
I get it, you all mad.
Game 1, we don’t even play in the preseason anymore, we have no idea what we have. How many new starters? Rooks? C’mon
Pull your head outta your ass.
Does that shock you at all?
If so, you are dumb as a bag of fucking hammers.
Not talking about should he be benched.
That is something else entirely.
I am saying, If you did not think Jones would get a pass for bad game in his first game back, less than a year after a major injury, you are a fucking idiot and nothing will convince me of anything else.
I get it, you all mad.
Game 1, we don’t even play in the preseason anymore, we have no idea what we have. How many new starters? Rooks? C’mon
He looked exactly how he looked last year before he got hurt. This is nonsense
And that is based on Jones's performances over his career against Washington.
I would bet a paycheck that Jones being the starter was a big factor in selecting Schoen and Daboll.
Back when Joe Judge was hired Peter King blatantly told Chris Russo that John Mara wasn't hiring anyone who didn't say Jones would be their starting QB.
Jones continues like he did yesterday, which I don't think he will, then he'll be yanked by Game 3.
After the 1st game bench the QB they committed to since after they drafted Nabers.???
I get the frustration but Jesus Christ some of you are not that bright.
But nope get all mad and hate-filled and act like whiny little children.
Gives 10 days to prepare Lock/DeVito and give BS excuses why it took so long.
This makes sense. The Cowboys D apparently looked phenomenal week 1. I wouldn’t throw Tommy or Lock out there against them.