Things are going to get incredibly ugly on a scale we haven't seen yet, with this team and its fan base.
It's the last step before nobody cares.
My thoughts as well.
It happened to me with the knicks. Haven’t watched a game in over two decades. They will still sell out games but at some point fans lose interest in losing and becomes casual instead of must watch. I have t watched a whole giants game since the playoffs in 2022.
The guys gas lighting us fans for years thinking we are dumb because Jones sucks?
He should shove.
This is what they do. Now they will all kick dirt on Jones while it's easy to pile on. A little late for that. Culture of scapegoating.
Come on man. This website has been killing Jones daily for 6 years. He deserves some of it for sure and won’t be here next year. People hurling insults around here are despicable with some of their comments.
Daniel Jones will have made >$100M for six years of mostly bad football.
If the worst he gets in return is to be harshly criticized on a daily basis on a website that he's probably never seen, I think he'll survive.
Daboll the coach is operating with his hands tied. He's trying to operate an offense with a minor leaguer at the wheel.
Now, some BBIers have more clairvoyance, so they can report on whether Daboll the team builder is at fault for the roster. And more importantly what percentage falls on him versus Schoen.
and still alive for a playoff berth? Facing the 6-8 Panthers, who had already been eliminated and had nothing to play for? And were starting Matt Moore at QB? And it was the last home game in Giants Stadium?
The Panthers blew them out 41-9 in a game that was even more lopsided than the score.
Yesterday started and finished with one person who was 100% responsible. Coach Daboll embarrassed the franchise.
The Giants are starving for a leader and the last great one they had they sent packing.
In your view, did Jones vastly underperform yesterday because Daboll failed him with play calling, or did he once again provide more evidence that he's reached his limits as an NFL QB?
Things are going to get incredibly ugly on a scale we haven't seen yet, with this team and its fan base.
It's the last step before nobody cares.
Good points. I wonder if fans waiting outside to berate Jones coming out to the parking lot yesterday was the modern day version of burning the tickets in the parking lot event the week after the Fumble in '78. It caught a lot of attention from the media and you can bet it will blow up nationally.
Drew Lock and Tommy DeVito didn't take a single first-team rep this summer. How is that possible?
If I can plagiarize Terps, they didn't want Jones to feel any pressure from competition.
One of the most amazing things from the offseason was Lock having to go in front of the camera, as required from his hostage takers, and admit he knows he wasn't signed to compete for the QB1 spot.
Combination. I think BD failed him with the game plan and overall the team was poorly prepared. Flores outclassed BD yesterday.
DJ had some panic syndrome. He was off target at times and missed some plays. Plenty of plays where there weren't plays to be made or Vikings D knew what was happening.
Combination. I think BD failed him with the game plan and overall the team was poorly prepared. Flores outclassed BD yesterday.
DJ had some panic syndrome. He was off target at times and missed some plays. Plenty of plays where there weren't plays to be made or Vikings D knew what was happening.
Giant WRs were open according to NextGen stats. I believe they were ranked 8th in the league. OL ranked 12th for pass blocking.
Combination. I think BD failed him with the game plan and overall the team was poorly prepared. Flores outclassed BD yesterday.
DJ had some panic syndrome. He was off target at times and missed some plays. Plenty of plays where there weren't plays to be made or Vikings D knew what was happening.
Giant WRs were open according to NextGen stats. I believe they were ranked 8th in the league. OL ranked 12th for pass blocking.
He's not a starting QB.
Giants were 4th in the NFL in receiver separation according to NExtGenStats. Thats good.
I don't really look at NextGen stats to evaluate a QB's performance. I do have quite a few things I look at outside of watching the game but that is not one of them.
Separation yardage is actively addressing the claim
say nobody was open. People who were at the game and other posters who could tell from watching the game said that plenty of times there were not good options to go with the ball.
You have plays where someone is open but what is unknown is what the progression of that play. Things are changing in almost real time for the QB so what may seem as open may not be when hitting that point of progression.
say nobody was open. People who were at the game and other posters who could tell from watching the game said that plenty of times there were not good options to go with the ball.
You have plays where someone is open but what is unknown is what the progression of that play. Things are changing in almost real time for the QB so what may seem as open may not be when hitting that point of progression.
Yes, and:
having a QB who has never been known to be good at working with a full slate of progressions complicates this evaluation. The draft-day criticism of this player is that his weakness is processing speed. We're still having this discussion in year 6.
What is 'open' or 'not open' to a fan in the stands is different from 'open' in an nfl coaching context. Just like open in college is different from the NFL. What qualifies people to say there's no good options to go with the ball? The game's moving at the speed of light after the snap, and the windows in which to make plays are narrow and sudden. For players to be 'open' like laymen think of 'open' means something went catastrophically wrong defensively. That doesn't/shouldn't happen often at this level.
Schoen and Daboll are not as bad at their jobs as Daniel Jones is at his. Jones makes it look that way, thats all.
If Schoen and Jones were any better at their jobs than Jones, Jones would not still be playing. They own every bit of suck that Jones is, paying him and playing him. Not to mention a multitude of other lousy player aquisition and usage decisions.
Your the one who does that. I have never played for or ever been around a HC who does not understand being 100% responsible for the results on the field. You must have had some special HC's I guess.
I will blame Daboll to the extent he didn’t directly say…
Your the one who does that. I have never played for or ever been around a HC who does not understand being 100% responsible for the results on the field. You must have had some special HC's I guess.
Daniel Jones has zero responsibility is what you’re saying? Brian Daboll was responsible for the goaline interception?
You are trying to highlight something I am not referring to.
You are singling out a play. Bad plays are made throughout a game. By many different players. I am discussing the overall game which includes the preparation leading up to it.
Use some common sense and ask yourself why do HC's get up to the podium and say "I take full responsibility" after a loss.
Put Eli or even simms in their current state and they would at least be competitive. That is how bad Jones is. I’ve never see a “starting” QB that bad.
Receivers were open and getting separation. Even on plays where he was throwing to an open receiver he was wildly inaccurate.
Line was blocking better than they have in years.
1 player cost them the game and 1 player being switched out would have made it a different game.I only blame coaching for not benching him but there may be other forces at work behind the scenes.
This season will be a success in my eyes if jones is no longer here at the end. He’s wasted 6 years of giants football.
Coaches get up and say that because it’s coach speak.
If they were so unprepared how did the oline rate out so high in pass protection? How did the WRs have the 4th most seperarion?
Brian Daboll gets no credit for any of that?
No, he doesn't.
Remember, Jones is only in his 6th season in the NFL. You can't possibly expect a QB with that much inexperience to execute against a HoF DC like Brian Flores.
Daboll failed in not convincing the rest of the offense team to do more to help their young, inexperienced QB.
What it really comes down to is Marc Ross getting promoted. If Ross isn't promoted 11 years ago, an undetermined sequence of events would have transpired that would have allowed the Giants to run better yesterday, but only with their running backs.
Which would have prolonged Eli Manning's career, which in turn would have made Daboll more prepared for when Daniel Jones refused to throw to open receivers. This is proven by looking at the games that Barkley missed last year and you look at the yards per carry by the running backs.
When the Cowboys crushed them . I didn’t go yesterday . Glad I didn’t . What a downer for those being honored .
As for the game , Jones was terrible. He just doesn’t process . Daboll tried to protect him by using big formations. The way it should work is that Jones exploits the defense . Jones played as badly as he did in the Seattle game last year . Besides Jones , I thought the running backs were almost as horrendous . There were quite a few occasions where the RBs missed readily available yardage . They blocked the wrong side of the formation. Jones was so zoned out that he didn’t even move them .
Defensively they could have gotten out with just 2 TDs. The DPI was a terrible call . I know there was a lot of field left for them to defend after the penalty , but they are off the field with a proper call. The DC prefers coverages to pressures . Daboll knew that when he hired him. #5 got the pearl necklace 0-0-0 and Burns was equally invisible .
100-year Anniversary ruined . But every week is an opportunity for redemption . Jones gets the rest of September to prove that he can at least function in a game .
This game is 100% about how bade he was and is. Daboll said they, were calling plays intended to get downfield and Jones just didn't throw them. The throws he did make were terribly inaccurate. He missed open guys all game long. He had time. In the first half the running game was serviceable. The pick 6 was telegraphed and the pick in the end zone was thrown into triple coverage right in the middle of the field )i.e. right in front of him) while their new #1 was one on one on the outside. He can't read a D before or after the snap, doesn't make the hot reads. He sucks. Plain and simple.
They weren't able to get the QB they wanted in Daniels. Instead, they delivered Jones an improved OL, a serviceable RB, an athletic TE, and a true #1 WR. AND HE STILL SUCKS. How is there an excuse left for him?
I don’t think Schoen and Daboll are up to the task, only an
established program builder can, but they don’t grow on trees.
Mara has to see that he made a mistake with Jones, which is not clear yet. Problem is if Mara blames himself and gives another year to Schoen and Daboll, the likelihood is that they will have pick the wrong guy and set the franchise back another 5 years.
Mara probably wants to adopt or marry Jones into the family, so let’s hope he blames Schoen and Daboll for not lifting Jones, and the next GM he brings in THEN talks some sense into him.
But Jones is bad, the alt 22 analysis by EVERY pundit is just embarrassing.
RE: RE: They didn't want Jone sto feel competition?
I think the whole 'We don't want Jones to feel pressure to compete' narrative...I think there's something to be said for that by the actions of this team.
The paid mouthpiece shills for this team could not be less credible
Piling on the DJ catastrophe after the fact is nothing more than rats scampering off a sinking ship. There is a reason why fans have retreated to BBI and those chat rooms that Papa, Banks and Dottino abhor. It is called seeking truth and finding empathy from fellow fans, not buying bullshit from gaslighting charlatans who greedily take our sports entertainment dollars without providing requisite quality in return.
Does anybody really believe that without being on acid?
Yesterday started and finished with one person who was 100% responsible. Coach Daboll embarrassed the franchise.
The Giants are starving for a leader and the last great one they had they sent packing.
Brian Daboll is the only one responsible?
None of that 100% goes to Joe Schoen or Daniel Jones?
Things are going to get incredibly ugly on a scale we haven't seen yet, with this team and its fan base.
It's the last step before nobody cares.
My thoughts as well.
It happened to me with the knicks. Haven’t watched a game in over two decades. They will still sell out games but at some point fans lose interest in losing and becomes casual instead of must watch. I have t watched a whole giants game since the playoffs in 2022.
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The guys gas lighting us fans for years thinking we are dumb because Jones sucks?
He should shove.
This is what they do. Now they will all kick dirt on Jones while it's easy to pile on. A little late for that. Culture of scapegoating.
Come on man. This website has been killing Jones daily for 6 years. He deserves some of it for sure and won’t be here next year. People hurling insults around here are despicable with some of their comments.
Daniel Jones will have made >$100M for six years of mostly bad football.
If the worst he gets in return is to be harshly criticized on a daily basis on a website that he's probably never seen, I think he'll survive.
Now, some BBIers have more clairvoyance, so they can report on whether Daboll the team builder is at fault for the roster. And more importantly what percentage falls on him versus Schoen.
Yesterday started and finished with one person who was 100% responsible. Coach Daboll embarrassed the franchise.
The Giants are starving for a leader and the last great one they had they sent packing.
This is stupid.
But Wellington wasn’t any better until the commissioner forced him to hire George young which led to Ernie Acorsi and 4 super bowls
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deeply hurt by the legends being disgusted.
Yesterday started and finished with one person who was 100% responsible. Coach Daboll embarrassed the franchise.
The Giants are starving for a leader and the last great one they had they sent packing.
This is stupid.
Great counter dope.
The Panthers blew them out 41-9 in a game that was even more lopsided than the score.
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Like deep public embarassment on a special occasion game.
It’s uncanny how often this franchise embarrasses itself whenever they have a significant ceremony, gathering, etc…
It's a right of passage.
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deeply hurt by the legends being disgusted.
Yesterday started and finished with one person who was 100% responsible. Coach Daboll embarrassed the franchise.
The Giants are starving for a leader and the last great one they had they sent packing.
This is stupid.
Great counter dope.
It's still stupid, no one said you have to like it.
deeply hurt by the legends being disgusted.
Yesterday started and finished with one person who was 100% responsible. Coach Daboll embarrassed the franchise.
The Giants are starving for a leader and the last great one they had they sent packing.
In your view, did Jones vastly underperform yesterday because Daboll failed him with play calling, or did he once again provide more evidence that he's reached his limits as an NFL QB?
Things are going to get incredibly ugly on a scale we haven't seen yet, with this team and its fan base.
It's the last step before nobody cares.
Good points. I wonder if fans waiting outside to berate Jones coming out to the parking lot yesterday was the modern day version of burning the tickets in the parking lot event the week after the Fumble in '78. It caught a lot of attention from the media and you can bet it will blow up nationally.
If I can plagiarize Terps, they didn't want Jones to feel any pressure from competition.
One of the most amazing things from the offseason was Lock having to go in front of the camera, as required from his hostage takers, and admit he knows he wasn't signed to compete for the QB1 spot.
DJ had some panic syndrome. He was off target at times and missed some plays. Plenty of plays where there weren't plays to be made or Vikings D knew what was happening.
DJ had some panic syndrome. He was off target at times and missed some plays. Plenty of plays where there weren't plays to be made or Vikings D knew what was happening.
Giant WRs were open according to NextGen stats. I believe they were ranked 8th in the league. OL ranked 12th for pass blocking.
He's not a starting QB.
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Combination. I think BD failed him with the game plan and overall the team was poorly prepared. Flores outclassed BD yesterday.
DJ had some panic syndrome. He was off target at times and missed some plays. Plenty of plays where there weren't plays to be made or Vikings D knew what was happening.
Giant WRs were open according to NextGen stats. I believe they were ranked 8th in the league. OL ranked 12th for pass blocking.
He's not a starting QB.
Giants were 4th in the NFL in receiver separation according to NExtGenStats. Thats good.
Frankly, you can't if a WR is open or not if you're watching on TV.
More funny today than ever. - ( New Window )
You have plays where someone is open but what is unknown is what the progression of that play. Things are changing in almost real time for the QB so what may seem as open may not be when hitting that point of progression.
Just so I make sure I understand the guy who touts his superior football correctly: Daniel Jones has zero responsibility?
Mara’s grandson hangs out with Jones in the Hampton’s. The owner just loves him too much to make tough decisions
You have plays where someone is open but what is unknown is what the progression of that play. Things are changing in almost real time for the QB so what may seem as open may not be when hitting that point of progression.
Yes, and:
having a QB who has never been known to be good at working with a full slate of progressions complicates this evaluation. The draft-day criticism of this player is that his weakness is processing speed. We're still having this discussion in year 6.
What is 'open' or 'not open' to a fan in the stands is different from 'open' in an nfl coaching context. Just like open in college is different from the NFL. What qualifies people to say there's no good options to go with the ball? The game's moving at the speed of light after the snap, and the windows in which to make plays are narrow and sudden. For players to be 'open' like laymen think of 'open' means something went catastrophically wrong defensively. That doesn't/shouldn't happen often at this level.
Schoen and Daboll are not as bad at their jobs as Daniel Jones is at his. Jones makes it look that way, thats all.
If Schoen and Jones were any better at their jobs than Jones, Jones would not still be playing. They own every bit of suck that Jones is, paying him and playing him. Not to mention a multitude of other lousy player aquisition and usage decisions.
If he intimated something like this already to Schoen and Mara then he can stay.
Daniel Jones has zero responsibility is what you’re saying? Brian Daboll was responsible for the goaline interception?
You are singling out a play. Bad plays are made throughout a game. By many different players. I am discussing the overall game which includes the preparation leading up to it.
Use some common sense and ask yourself why do HC's get up to the podium and say "I take full responsibility" after a loss.
They’re just bad and the QB is the worst one.
Receivers were open and getting separation. Even on plays where he was throwing to an open receiver he was wildly inaccurate.
Line was blocking better than they have in years.
1 player cost them the game and 1 player being switched out would have made it a different game.I only blame coaching for not benching him but there may be other forces at work behind the scenes.
This season will be a success in my eyes if jones is no longer here at the end. He’s wasted 6 years of giants football.
If they were so unprepared how did the oline rate out so high in pass protection? How did the WRs have the 4th most seperarion?
Brian Daboll gets no credit for any of that?
If they were so unprepared how did the oline rate out so high in pass protection? How did the WRs have the 4th most seperarion?
Brian Daboll gets no credit for any of that?
No, he doesn't.
Remember, Jones is only in his 6th season in the NFL. You can't possibly expect a QB with that much inexperience to execute against a HoF DC like Brian Flores.
Daboll failed in not convincing the rest of the offense team to do more to help their young, inexperienced QB.
I saw a fool on here once say "physicality" was coach speak. You say "preparation" is fan speak.
You two would go well together and he was on this thread. Of course you know each other very well and think alike.
Which would have prolonged Eli Manning's career, which in turn would have made Daboll more prepared for when Daniel Jones refused to throw to open receivers. This is proven by looking at the games that Barkley missed last year and you look at the yards per carry by the running backs.
And none of you get this because you are soft.
I saw a fool on here once say "physicality" was coach speak. You say "preparation" is fan speak.
You two would go well together and he was on this thread. Of course you know each other very well and think alike.
If they were so unprepared how did the oline rate out so high in pass protection? How did the WRs have the 4th most seperarion?
As for the game , Jones was terrible. He just doesn’t process . Daboll tried to protect him by using big formations. The way it should work is that Jones exploits the defense . Jones played as badly as he did in the Seattle game last year . Besides Jones , I thought the running backs were almost as horrendous . There were quite a few occasions where the RBs missed readily available yardage . They blocked the wrong side of the formation. Jones was so zoned out that he didn’t even move them .
Defensively they could have gotten out with just 2 TDs. The DPI was a terrible call . I know there was a lot of field left for them to defend after the penalty , but they are off the field with a proper call. The DC prefers coverages to pressures . Daboll knew that when he hired him. #5 got the pearl necklace 0-0-0 and Burns was equally invisible .
100-year Anniversary ruined . But every week is an opportunity for redemption . Jones gets the rest of September to prove that he can at least function in a game .
They won 7 games while having lost the starting and backup QB, and an undrafted rookie QB forced to start.
I dont think you know what a terrible coaching job looks like.
They weren't able to get the QB they wanted in Daniels. Instead, they delivered Jones an improved OL, a serviceable RB, an athletic TE, and a true #1 WR. AND HE STILL SUCKS. How is there an excuse left for him?
Mara has to see that he made a mistake with Jones, which is not clear yet. Problem is if Mara blames himself and gives another year to Schoen and Daboll, the likelihood is that they will have pick the wrong guy and set the franchise back another 5 years.
Mara probably wants to adopt or marry Jones into the family, so let’s hope he blames Schoen and Daboll for not lifting Jones, and the next GM he brings in THEN talks some sense into him.
But Jones is bad, the alt 22 analysis by EVERY pundit is just embarrassing.
Shitty QB is completely demoralizing to a team. That loss is squarely on Daniel Jones.