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Baldy's Breakdowns on Darrisaw's no-hitter v. Burns/Thibs

FranknWeezer : 9/9/2024 3:54 pm
This is worse than I realized yesterday watching it live. Our DE's looked like little gnats he was swatting away. And in one instance, laying Thibs down on the ground and basically sitting on him. Geez.
Christian Darrisaw OWNING Burns & Thibodeaux - ( New Window )
With Dex being  
46and2Blue : 9/9/2024 3:59 pm : link
doubled, the fact that no one else won against their man is just alarming
imagine if the Giants had drafted  
Giantsfan79 : 9/9/2024 4:01 pm : link
Darrisaw on the trade down instead of Toney. Then used the #7 pick the next draft not on Neal but one of the WR that went just after Neal (Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jameson Williams)
I'm not at all comparing ...  
Beezer : 9/9/2024 4:02 pm : link
... just curious, we all love LT and what he meant to this franchise (and continues to mean) ... was there anyone who ever was able to neutralize a healthy LT (like this) for the duration of an entire context?
I was shocked  
mittenedman : 9/9/2024 4:02 pm : link
about Burns. Thibs not so much.
Let’s hope Burns isn’t Olivier Vernon 2.0  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/9/2024 4:10 pm : link
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RE: Let’s hope Burns isn’t Olivier Vernon 2.0  
Sam Huff : 9/9/2024 4:12 pm : link
In comment 16602980 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Maybe he can make up for it by kneeling during the National Anthem.
I am trying to shift into  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/9/2024 4:13 pm : link
the positive and hope that a lot of the issues yesterday were again from not playing the starters enough in preseason games.
Maybe not maximizing allowed contact in practice as well.

"Sit on the victim." Baldy has a way of making these informative and funny.
Thibs was freaking terrible.  
DeVito32 : 9/9/2024 4:13 pm : link
Outside of DJ, he was the worst player on the field yesterday.
RE: RE: Let’s hope Burns isn’t Olivier Vernon 2.0  
The_Boss : 9/9/2024 4:14 pm : link
In comment 16602993 Sam Huff said:
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In comment 16602980 sb from NYT Forum said:


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Maybe he can make up for it by kneeling during the National Anthem.


Was a good thread while it lasted…
RE: Thibs was freaking terrible.  
ThomasG : 9/9/2024 4:14 pm : link
In comment 16603001 DeVito32 said:
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Outside of DJ, he was the worst player on the field yesterday.


Totally agree.
Honestly,  
Silver Spoon : 9/9/2024 4:17 pm : link
You could say Thibs wasn’t dressed yesterday, and I’m sure many people wouldn’t question it. He was absolutely worthless.
RE: I'm not at all comparing ...  
81_Great_Dane : 9/9/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16602948 Beezer said:
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... just curious, we all love LT and what he meant to this franchise (and continues to mean) ... was there anyone who ever was able to neutralize a healthy LT (like this) for the duration of an entire context?
LT didn't get a sack or TFL or even a pressure on every play. But it took a lot to stop him, and just stopping him could disrupt what an offense normally liked to do.

I can't say it never happened but it was very unusual for LT to be held in check for an entire game, if it ever happened. He wasn't quite as dominnant in his last year or so but in his prime, he would make at least a few plays every game, in coverage, against the run, or rushing the passer.
Irv Pankey of the Rams generally did better against LT than anyone  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2024 4:19 pm : link
else
RE: Let’s hope Burns isn’t Olivier Vernon 2.0  
Woodstock : 9/9/2024 4:20 pm : link
In comment 16602980 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Vernon was better
The Viking OTs  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2024 4:26 pm : link
are really good, especially their LT.
It’s okay they are good. What’s not okay is to never be able to  
ThomasG : 9/9/2024 4:29 pm : link
beat them during an entire game if your edge rushers are supposed to be good too.

Not one impactful pass rush by an ER?

LT  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/9/2024 4:30 pm : link
49ers used to bring in an extra guard, John Ayers to block LT. Philly used to use Anthony Toney to block LT
LT  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/9/2024 4:30 pm : link
49ers used to bring in an extra guard, John Ayers to block LT. Philly used to use Anthony Toney to block LT
LT  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/9/2024 4:30 pm : link
49ers used to bring in an extra guard, John Ayers to block LT. Philly used to use Anthony Toney to block LT
LT  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/9/2024 4:31 pm : link
49ers used to bring in an extra guard, John Ayers to block LT. Philly used to use Anthony Toney to block LT
RE: It’s okay they are good. What’s not okay is to never be able to  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2024 4:39 pm : link
In comment 16603039 ThomasG said:
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beat them during an entire game if your edge rushers are supposed to be good too.

Not one impactful pass rush by an ER?


Not saying that, but I brought this up in my game preview that the edge rushers were going to have to earn it this week.
bowen was a real possible point of failure with this team  
Eric on Li : 9/9/2024 4:51 pm : link
and game 1 went really really bad.

sometimes that happens but i think history would tell us there are a lot less spags than sheridans.
eric LI  
mittenedman : 9/9/2024 4:56 pm : link
agreed.

This is the NY Giants. I honestly hadn't ever heard of Shane Bowen when they hired him.

That's the best we can do?

Meanwhile - the Eagles hire Vic Fangio and the Cowboys hire Mike Zimmer.
wow - that video was depressing -  
Del Shofner : 9/9/2024 5:16 pm : link
I don't know how you can knock our back 7 when the front 4 did absolutely nothing. And they are supposed to be a strength.

Bowen may need to install a blitz package to go along with the front 4.
RE: I'm not at all comparing ...  
Sec 103 : 9/9/2024 5:30 pm : link
In comment 16602948 Beezer said:
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... just curious, we all love LT and what he meant to this franchise (and continues to mean) ... was there anyone who ever was able to neutralize a healthy LT (like this) for the duration of an entire context?


No one!!!
Daboll and bowen  
Hilary : 9/9/2024 6:06 pm : link
If you watched cowboys browns Miles Garrett and Micah Parsons were moved around for favorable match ups. You can’t be wedded to having Burns and Thibs one on one with the best lineman.
Given Bowen's scheme  
bc4life : 9/9/2024 6:13 pm : link
and emphasis on rushing 4, I'm wondering if we need players who are stouter.

When Burns and Thibs couldn't get around him, it was clear they had nowhere near enough strength to attempt to bull him, even as a transitional move.

Hopefully, there will be some video of Basham going against him.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/9/2024 6:15 pm : link
Perhaps I'm missing something, but other than that penalty yesterday...I have no recollection of Thibs playing @ all.
RE: RE: It’s okay they are good. What’s not okay is to never be able to  
ThomasG : 9/9/2024 6:20 pm : link
In comment 16603064 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16603039 ThomasG said:


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beat them during an entire game if your edge rushers are supposed to be good too.

Not one impactful pass rush by an ER?




Not saying that, but I brought this up in my game preview that the edge rushers were going to have to earn it this week.


They should earn it every week. It’s okay to get beat, but not on every single play. That’s absurd and incredulous for a guy who was just picked so high and not a rookie anymore.

Herein lies the problem with Thibs. Now we have to see if Burns is the same mold.
RE: Daboll and bowen  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/9/2024 7:51 pm : link
In comment 16603240 Hilary said:
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If you watched cowboys browns Miles Garrett and Micah Parsons were moved around for favorable match ups. You can’t be wedded to having Burns and Thibs one on one with the best lineman.


The same thing in the KC/Baltimore game, with Chris Jones going against the rookie OG. Forget putting your best against their best, the point is to wreck the game.
RE: imagine if the Giants had drafted  
The Mike : 9/9/2024 7:53 pm : link
In comment 16602945 Giantsfan79 said:
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Darrisaw on the trade down instead of Toney. Then used the #7 pick the next draft not on Neal but one of the WR that went just after Neal (Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jameson Williams)


I have imagined it over and over again for three years... And passing Parsons for Toney in the first place!
RE: Daboll and bowen  
bw in dc : 9/9/2024 8:13 pm : link
In comment 16603240 Hilary said:
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If you watched cowboys browns Miles Garrett and Micah Parsons were moved around for favorable match ups. You can’t be wedded to having Burns and Thibs one on one with the best lineman.


FWIW, both tackles for the Browns did not play yesterday - Wills and Conklin.
If the Giants have zero up front pressure  
RELICDOA : 9/9/2024 9:03 pm : link
The secondary is going to get lit!!!! Sam and Minnesota just tuned this defense up! Just accept the punishment we are about to receive and save yourself the misery from any expectation. A new era is coming!
RE: imagine if the Giants had drafted  
cosmicj : 9/9/2024 10:57 pm : link
In comment 16602945 Giantsfan79 said:
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Darrisaw on the trade down instead of Toney. Then used the #7 pick the next draft not on Neal but one of the WR that went just after Neal (Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jameson Williams)


That’s all I could think when I saw this thread title. Lol
RE: RE: Let’s hope Burns isn’t Olivier Vernon 2.0  
Woodstock : 9/9/2024 10:59 pm : link
In comment 16603018 Woodstock said:
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Vernon was better


Oops I thought u were talking about Thibs not burns
RE: eric LI  
FStubbs : 9/10/2024 7:00 am : link
In comment 16603109 mittenedman said:
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agreed.

This is the NY Giants. I honestly hadn't ever heard of Shane Bowen when they hired him.

That's the best we can do?

Meanwhile - the Eagles hire Vic Fangio and the Cowboys hire Mike Zimmer.


Why would either of them work under Daboll?

We just ran off a big name DC.
Darrisaw  
jeff57 : 9/10/2024 7:06 am : link
Went three picks after Toney in the 2021 draft.
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