But the law easily could punish him for what he did wrong. The cops on the other hand are overly aggressive.
I guess some people have way more expectations of a rich WR vs a cop who is given all this power and can't manage to be calm in such a low risk incident compared to what many normal people have faced in their profession.
If you think pulling a car over for speeding is a "low-risk incident", you and I have different definitions of low-risk.
How many stories do you want me to link to where these low-risk incidents led to an officer dying or getting hurt/injured by the actions of the driver pulled over?
If pulling over a non stolen 500k car on a busy road in broad daylight with 3 other cops with you and 4 cameras are that scary to you than get a different job.
I got no problem with them handcuffing Hill but once handcuffed these cops should be able to lower the temperature. An innocent bystander in Campbell was also cuffed for at most non moving violation. Not moving out of a public place cause you are viewing or talking to the cops isn't really a crime. These cops have their heads up in the cloud.
But the law easily could punish him for what he did wrong. The cops on the other hand are overly aggressive.
I guess some people have way more expectations of a rich WR vs a cop who is given all this power and can't manage to be calm in such a low risk incident compared to what many normal people have faced in their profession.
If you think pulling a car over for speeding is a "low-risk incident", you and I have different definitions of low-risk.
How many stories do you want me to link to where these low-risk incidents led to an officer dying or getting hurt/injured by the actions of the driver pulled over?
If pulling over a non stolen 500k car on a busy road in broad daylight with 3 other cops with you and 4 cameras are that scary to you than get a different job.
I got no problem with them handcuffing Hill but once handcuffed these cops should be able to lower the temperature. An innocent bystander in Campbell was also cuffed for at most non moving violation. Not moving out of a public place cause you are viewing or talking to the cops isn't really a crime. These cops have their heads up in the cloud.
One, the closed tinted window poses a potential threat/problem. That is what is being referred to as scary. It's not that the cops are scared; it's that it poses an unknown threat. SOP is to have the window open.
Was Campbell cuffed? I didn't see that footage.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this video doesn't absolve Hill
But the law easily could punish him for what he did wrong. The cops on the other hand are overly aggressive.
I guess some people have way more expectations of a rich WR vs a cop who is given all this power and can't manage to be calm in such a low risk incident compared to what many normal people have faced in their profession.
If you think pulling a car over for speeding is a "low-risk incident", you and I have different definitions of low-risk.
How many stories do you want me to link to where these low-risk incidents led to an officer dying or getting hurt/injured by the actions of the driver pulled over?
If pulling over a non stolen 500k car on a busy road in broad daylight with 3 other cops with you and 4 cameras are that scary to you than get a different job.
I got no problem with them handcuffing Hill but once handcuffed these cops should be able to lower the temperature. An innocent bystander in Campbell was also cuffed for at most non moving violation. Not moving out of a public place cause you are viewing or talking to the cops isn't really a crime. These cops have their heads up in the cloud.
One, the closed tinted window poses a potential threat/problem. That is what is being referred to as scary. It's not that the cops are scared; it's that it poses an unknown threat. SOP is to have the window open.
Was Campbell cuffed? I didn't see that footage.
The danger was completed mitigated once they cuffed Hill. Yet they were aggressive towards Hill and then way too aggressive to Campbell. The window situation was no longer applicable.
If all they owe is to their family to come back home alive than do a different job. If you are a cop you should be civil to civilians and use your power responsibily. If you can't be civil to Campbell in that situation then get a job as an accountant or car salesman.
wrong and he didn't comply. If he had complied this probably isn't news.
But it's also ok to say the cops 100% did not need to act that way. You can acknowledge the dangers of being a police officer and always using extreme caution to protect your life and your fellow officers lives, but at some point the aggression was with the police officers, not Hill or Campbell. If you cannot acknowledge that you are likely experiencing cognitive dissonance. It's ok, it's human nature. Just try and see it a different way and maybe you will.
the situation could have been de-escalated and resolved sooner if the cops still protected themselves but were reasonable once the threat was neutralized. They were not reasonable -they became aggressive.
I don't think it's a huge deal either way it seems like people want the story to be bigger than it was like Campbell saying to Drew Rosenhaus (I assume that's who was on the phone) the cops were "beating on" Tyreek, I don't think the police officers should be punished, and I don't think Hill is any worse off than he was before the incident.
“When we tell you to do something, you do it. You understand? You understand? Not what you want, but what we tell you. You’re a little f**cking confused.”
But the law easily could punish him for what he did wrong. The cops on the other hand are overly aggressive.
I guess some people have way more expectations of a rich WR vs a cop who is given all this power and can't manage to be calm in such a low risk incident compared to what many normal people have faced in their profession.
If you think pulling a car over for speeding is a "low-risk incident", you and I have different definitions of low-risk.
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
RE: RE: RE: If Hill rolls his tinted window down...
when asked I doubt this is even a story. But his arrogance got in the way.
It was a simple ask - roll down your window.
true but in return, he exposed a hot head cop who probably should not have a badge.
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Not knowing anything about procedures - what should the cop have done?
How many times should have he asked to lower the window (tinted BTW - which adds to the situation).
I mean we have seen occurrances such as this where the officers draw their guns and someone gets shot -
keep his cool would have been a good start. He obviously didnt. Again... Hill is wrong but the cop is ALSO wrong. he was acting like a hot head and it clearly showed.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Hill rolls his tinted window down...
when asked I doubt this is even a story. But his arrogance got in the way.
It was a simple ask - roll down your window.
true but in return, he exposed a hot head cop who probably should not have a badge.
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Not knowing anything about procedures - what should the cop have done?
How many times should have he asked to lower the window (tinted BTW - which adds to the situation).
I mean we have seen occurrances such as this where the officers draw their guns and someone gets shot -
keep his cool would have been a good start. He obviously didnt. Again... Hill is wrong but the cop is ALSO wrong. he was acting like a hot head and it clearly showed.
Ok - what is keeping his cool?
Again, ask him to step out of the car and/or roll his window down? I think he did that. How many times or how long should the policeman have to do that?
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
Frankly, if he wasn't a football star, Hill would probably already be in jail for something. There is a lot of assault history there including punching a pregnant woman.
Frankly, if he wasn't a football star, Hill would probably already be in jail for something. There is a lot of assault history there including punching a pregnant woman.
You'd be surprised how many non football stars get away with.. You'd be surprise how many cops get away with assualts.. Its not that only rich football players get away with things.. less famous you are the more you get away with really bad things..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this video doesn't absolve Hill
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this video doesn't absolve Hill
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this video doesn't absolve Hill
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
I once had a cop talk aggressive to me during a traffic stop
I yes sired and no sired him, gave him what he asked for, didn’t give an attitude back, and he let me off with a warning. Cool story bro, I know, but despite him being pissed it was on me to escalate if I wanted to play tough guy and I didn’t. Hill didn’t have too either.
I think the cop could have handled the situation better but Hill was the worst offender in this scenario by a long shot.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this video doesn't absolve Hill
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
whats the punishment for parking car illegally?
For your second question.. so the cops then can treat anyone with hand cuffing them cause they don't know if someone will get aggressive?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this video doesn't absolve Hill
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
whats the punishment for parking car illegally?
For your second question.. so the cops then can treat anyone with hand cuffing them cause they don't know if someone will get aggressive?
When you stop complying you are more than likely being deemed a threat. The time to handle the rest of it is in court.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this video doesn't absolve Hill
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
whats the punishment for parking car illegally?
For your second question.. so the cops then can treat anyone with hand cuffing them cause they don't know if someone will get aggressive?
When you stop complying you are more than likely being deemed a threat. The time to handle the rest of it is in court.
That's why the cup is on leave. Stupid aggressiveness and i hope he finds a job he is good at and can competently perform it.
A 6'3" 260lb man. 90% of the time I travel I get pulled aside for pat downs and extra security checks. It's a 2 minute inconvenience and everyone moves on there way. Just comply for safety reasons and move on with your day. It's really not that hard.
RE: I once had a cop talk aggressive to me during a traffic stop
I yes sired and no sired him, gave him what he asked for, didn’t give an attitude back, and he let me off with a warning. Cool story bro, I know, but despite him being pissed it was on me to escalate if I wanted to play tough guy and I didn’t. Hill didn’t have too either.
I think the cop could have handled the situation better but Hill was the worst offender in this scenario by a long shot.
How you handled the aggressive cop is a good data-point and the best way to act. It is clear that nothing positive comes out of pushing back on cops.
A 6'3" 260lb man. 90% of the time I travel I get pulled aside for pat downs and extra security checks. It's a 2 minute inconvenience and everyone moves on there way. Just comply for safety reasons and move on with your day. It's really not that hard.
For Campbell this wasn't the same thing. You are watching these overly aggressive cops escalating the situation and you are worried about your friend. Campbell moved all the way back to his car. Its good to comply with the cops if you are Hill (getting pulled over and its your fault for rolling up the window.) However I don't think as an innocent bystander who is trying to de-escalate situation and are genuinly worried about the person being attacked to just comply by disappearing..
A 6'3" 260lb man. 90% of the time I travel I get pulled aside for pat downs and extra security checks. It's a 2 minute inconvenience and everyone moves on there way. Just comply for safety reasons and move on with your day. It's really not that hard.
For Campbell this wasn't the same thing. You are watching these overly aggressive cops escalating the situation and you are worried about your friend. Campbell moved all the way back to his car. Its good to comply with the cops if you are Hill (getting pulled over and its your fault for rolling up the window.) However I don't think as an innocent bystander who is trying to de-escalate situation and are genuinly worried about the person being attacked to just comply by disappearing..
How is he trying to de-escelate? First he's yelling a conversation with Tyreek, then he's on the phone yelling lies that the cops are beating Tyreek, then he refuses multiple requests to get back in his vehicle. None of that says de-escalate to me.
Police get put on leave when misconduct is being investigated
it isn’t an admission of guilt or proof of guilt. If he has minimal or no prior infractions than I hope it’s a learning experience and he comes out better for it. If he has a laundry list of priors then sure, wanting him gone is warranted.
FYI, a former FL police chief said that the officers took appropriate action and it was in line with their training. While I don’t expect a career law endorsement official to not back an officer, the training part is probably the bigger deal since people often conflate what they think cops should do with what they are actually trained to do.
You can't just throw you ID to a cop and tell him "hurry up just give me a ticket I'm late" and proceed to roll up your windows with 80% tint - then telling the cop "don't knock on my window." Completely disconnected from reality. Zero common sense.
And the teammates rolling up on the scene, parking their cars in a way to obstruct the police/traffic and barking at the cops. What did they think would happen? You can't just roll up on the cops during an active scene. All of them are very lucky - I don't fault the cops at all.
Especially considering recent history with NFL players and cars. Henry Ruggs III killing a woman while driving 140mph in Las Vegas. Rashee Rice wrecking while street racing down a highway in Dallas.
The NFL is letting their social justice crusade trump their public safety and common sense messaging.
I just saw it. Hill could have handled it better no doubt, but the cops escalated that incident IMO. The job of the police is to deescalate the situation, not escalate it.
You can't just throw you ID to a cop and tell him "hurry up just give me a ticket I'm late" and proceed to roll up your windows with 80% tint - then telling the cop "don't knock on my window." Completely disconnected from reality. Zero common sense.
And the teammates rolling up on the scene, parking their cars in a way to obstruct the police/traffic and barking at the cops. What did they think would happen? You can't just roll up on the cops during an active scene. All of them are very lucky - I don't fault the cops at all.
Pretty good post. Cops don't want any interference even if it appears harmless in an arrest situation.
Hey, let’s see if i can goad the cops into something for video consumption. Act like an asshole, escalate what should be a routine speeding stop, and then play the victim because the cops take the bait and react.
Tyreek is a dirtbag…a bunch of kids with multiple baby mamas, multiple domestic violence incidents…a real Walter Payton Man of the Year candidate.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this video doesn't absolve Hill
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
whats the punishment for parking car illegally?
For your second question.. so the cops then can treat anyone with hand cuffing them cause they don't know if someone will get aggressive?
When you stop complying you are more than likely being deemed a threat. The time to handle the rest of it is in court.
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Again, I'm not sure I'm buying that everyone who is not compliant to a cop is deemed a threat instead of a nuisance or a punk that the cop wants to put in their place.
You can't just throw you ID to a cop and tell him "hurry up just give me a ticket I'm late" and proceed to roll up your windows with 80% tint - then telling the cop "don't knock on my window." Completely disconnected from reality. Zero common sense.
And the teammates rolling up on the scene, parking their cars in a way to obstruct the police/traffic and barking at the cops. What did they think would happen? You can't just roll up on the cops during an active scene. All of them are very lucky - I don't fault the cops at all.
Pretty good post. Cops don't want any interference even if it appears harmless in an arrest situation.
Of course they don't, just like I don't want anyone to slow me down by getting into the fast lane while I'm driving. But they can't escalate disproportionately just because someone is being a punk.
A 6'3" 260lb man. 90% of the time I travel I get pulled aside for pat downs and extra security checks. It's a 2 minute inconvenience and everyone moves on there way. Just comply for safety reasons and move on with your day. It's really not that hard.
For Campbell this wasn't the same thing. You are watching these overly aggressive cops escalating the situation and you are worried about your friend. Campbell moved all the way back to his car. Its good to comply with the cops if you are Hill (getting pulled over and its your fault for rolling up the window.) However I don't think as an innocent bystander who is trying to de-escalate situation and are genuinly worried about the person being attacked to just comply by disappearing..
How is he trying to de-escelate? First he's yelling a conversation with Tyreek, then he's on the phone yelling lies that the cops are beating Tyreek, then he refuses multiple requests to get back in his vehicle. None of that says de-escalate to me.
He was 30 get away on a phone, talking on the phone and not showing any aggression. If you were threatened by him in that situation, I'm not sure you should be a cop. Jesus Christ just look at the engagement with him. He want running towards anyone he was 30 get away on a phone. And from his perspective he was telling the truth. Cop has their knees on hills back.
That cop shouldn't be given any more privileges than me.
Far worse in many ways...
In terms of how much more difficult he was acting towards the police and not complying...
That doesn't excuse what was done in those last 4 or 5 minutes of Floyd's life of course.
You can't just throw you ID to a cop and tell him "hurry up just give me a ticket I'm late" and proceed to roll up your windows with 80% tint - then telling the cop "don't knock on my window." Completely disconnected from reality. Zero common sense.
And the teammates rolling up on the scene, parking their cars in a way to obstruct the police/traffic and barking at the cops. What did they think would happen? You can't just roll up on the cops during an active scene. All of them are very lucky - I don't fault the cops at all.
Pretty good post. Cops don't want any interference even if it appears harmless in an arrest situation.
And a lot are complete tools who let the power go to their heads. I have several cops in my family, so I’m not painting with a broad brush. It’s a simple fact that some are complete dicks and get off on bossing people around. I think there were a few such cops in this situation.
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But the law easily could punish him for what he did wrong. The cops on the other hand are overly aggressive.
I guess some people have way more expectations of a rich WR vs a cop who is given all this power and can't manage to be calm in such a low risk incident compared to what many normal people have faced in their profession.
If you think pulling a car over for speeding is a "low-risk incident", you and I have different definitions of low-risk.
How many stories do you want me to link to where these low-risk incidents led to an officer dying or getting hurt/injured by the actions of the driver pulled over?
If pulling over a non stolen 500k car on a busy road in broad daylight with 3 other cops with you and 4 cameras are that scary to you than get a different job.
I got no problem with them handcuffing Hill but once handcuffed these cops should be able to lower the temperature. An innocent bystander in Campbell was also cuffed for at most non moving violation. Not moving out of a public place cause you are viewing or talking to the cops isn't really a crime. These cops have their heads up in the cloud.
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they owe it to each other and their families to come home safe.
To protect and serve themselves? That’s the problem. A lot forget who they protect and serve.
Who they protect and serve can often be selective if you catch my drift.
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But the law easily could punish him for what he did wrong. The cops on the other hand are overly aggressive.
I guess some people have way more expectations of a rich WR vs a cop who is given all this power and can't manage to be calm in such a low risk incident compared to what many normal people have faced in their profession.
If you think pulling a car over for speeding is a "low-risk incident", you and I have different definitions of low-risk.
How many stories do you want me to link to where these low-risk incidents led to an officer dying or getting hurt/injured by the actions of the driver pulled over?
If pulling over a non stolen 500k car on a busy road in broad daylight with 3 other cops with you and 4 cameras are that scary to you than get a different job.
I got no problem with them handcuffing Hill but once handcuffed these cops should be able to lower the temperature. An innocent bystander in Campbell was also cuffed for at most non moving violation. Not moving out of a public place cause you are viewing or talking to the cops isn't really a crime. These cops have their heads up in the cloud.
Was Campbell cuffed? I didn't see that footage.
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But the law easily could punish him for what he did wrong. The cops on the other hand are overly aggressive.
I guess some people have way more expectations of a rich WR vs a cop who is given all this power and can't manage to be calm in such a low risk incident compared to what many normal people have faced in their profession.
If you think pulling a car over for speeding is a "low-risk incident", you and I have different definitions of low-risk.
How many stories do you want me to link to where these low-risk incidents led to an officer dying or getting hurt/injured by the actions of the driver pulled over?
If pulling over a non stolen 500k car on a busy road in broad daylight with 3 other cops with you and 4 cameras are that scary to you than get a different job.
I got no problem with them handcuffing Hill but once handcuffed these cops should be able to lower the temperature. An innocent bystander in Campbell was also cuffed for at most non moving violation. Not moving out of a public place cause you are viewing or talking to the cops isn't really a crime. These cops have their heads up in the cloud.
One, the closed tinted window poses a potential threat/problem. That is what is being referred to as scary. It's not that the cops are scared; it's that it poses an unknown threat. SOP is to have the window open.
Was Campbell cuffed? I didn't see that footage.
The danger was completed mitigated once they cuffed Hill. Yet they were aggressive towards Hill and then way too aggressive to Campbell. The window situation was no longer applicable.
If all they owe is to their family to come back home alive than do a different job. If you are a cop you should be civil to civilians and use your power responsibily. If you can't be civil to Campbell in that situation then get a job as an accountant or car salesman.
But it's also ok to say the cops 100% did not need to act that way. You can acknowledge the dangers of being a police officer and always using extreme caution to protect your life and your fellow officers lives, but at some point the aggression was with the police officers, not Hill or Campbell. If you cannot acknowledge that you are likely experiencing cognitive dissonance. It's ok, it's human nature. Just try and see it a different way and maybe you will.
the situation could have been de-escalated and resolved sooner if the cops still protected themselves but were reasonable once the threat was neutralized. They were not reasonable -they became aggressive.
I don't think it's a huge deal either way it seems like people want the story to be bigger than it was like Campbell saying to Drew Rosenhaus (I assume that's who was on the phone) the cops were "beating on" Tyreek, I don't think the police officers should be punished, and I don't think Hill is any worse off than he was before the incident.
He was pulled over for speeding.
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He was pulled over for speeding.
yeah ok.
“When we tell you to do something, you do it. You understand? You understand? Not what you want, but what we tell you. You’re a little f**cking confused.”
It was a simple ask - roll down your window.
doesn't look all that fast or reckless, definitely not 100 mph as some have said online. - ( New Window )
It was a simple ask - roll down your window.
true but in return, he exposed a hot head cop who probably should not have a badge.
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when asked I doubt this is even a story. But his arrogance got in the way.
It was a simple ask - roll down your window.
true but in return, he exposed a hot head cop who probably should not have a badge.
Not knowing anything about procedures - what should the cop have done?
How many times should have he asked to lower the window (tinted BTW - which adds to the situation).
I mean we have seen occurrances such as this where the officers draw their guns and someone gets shot -
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But the law easily could punish him for what he did wrong. The cops on the other hand are overly aggressive.
I guess some people have way more expectations of a rich WR vs a cop who is given all this power and can't manage to be calm in such a low risk incident compared to what many normal people have faced in their profession.
If you think pulling a car over for speeding is a "low-risk incident", you and I have different definitions of low-risk.
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
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when asked I doubt this is even a story. But his arrogance got in the way.
It was a simple ask - roll down your window.
true but in return, he exposed a hot head cop who probably should not have a badge.
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Not knowing anything about procedures - what should the cop have done?
How many times should have he asked to lower the window (tinted BTW - which adds to the situation).
I mean we have seen occurrances such as this where the officers draw their guns and someone gets shot -
keep his cool would have been a good start. He obviously didnt. Again... Hill is wrong but the cop is ALSO wrong. he was acting like a hot head and it clearly showed.
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when asked I doubt this is even a story. But his arrogance got in the way.
It was a simple ask - roll down your window.
true but in return, he exposed a hot head cop who probably should not have a badge.
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Not knowing anything about procedures - what should the cop have done?
How many times should have he asked to lower the window (tinted BTW - which adds to the situation).
I mean we have seen occurrances such as this where the officers draw their guns and someone gets shot -
keep his cool would have been a good start. He obviously didnt. Again... Hill is wrong but the cop is ALSO wrong. he was acting like a hot head and it clearly showed.
Ok - what is keeping his cool?
Again, ask him to step out of the car and/or roll his window down? I think he did that. How many times or how long should the policeman have to do that?
Anybody who excuses that chokehold/takedown is delusional imo. Idiots like that don't deserve the power and responsibility of being a police officer.
Anybody who excuses that chokehold/takedown is delusional imo. Idiots like that don't deserve the power and responsibility of being a police officer.
He was asked to sit down, again he didn't comply. A lot of Monday morning quarterbacking here.
I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
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I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
You'd be surprised how many non football stars get away with.. You'd be surprise how many cops get away with assualts.. Its not that only rich football players get away with things.. less famous you are the more you get away with really bad things..
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I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
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I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
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I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
I think the cop could have handled the situation better but Hill was the worst offender in this scenario by a long shot.
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I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
whats the punishment for parking car illegally?
For your second question.. so the cops then can treat anyone with hand cuffing them cause they don't know if someone will get aggressive?
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I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
whats the punishment for parking car illegally?
For your second question.. so the cops then can treat anyone with hand cuffing them cause they don't know if someone will get aggressive?
When you stop complying you are more than likely being deemed a threat. The time to handle the rest of it is in court.
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I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
whats the punishment for parking car illegally?
For your second question.. so the cops then can treat anyone with hand cuffing them cause they don't know if someone will get aggressive?
When you stop complying you are more than likely being deemed a threat. The time to handle the rest of it is in court.
That's why the cup is on leave. Stupid aggressiveness and i hope he finds a job he is good at and can competently perform it.
I think the cop could have handled the situation better but Hill was the worst offender in this scenario by a long shot.
For Campbell this wasn't the same thing. You are watching these overly aggressive cops escalating the situation and you are worried about your friend. Campbell moved all the way back to his car. Its good to comply with the cops if you are Hill (getting pulled over and its your fault for rolling up the window.) However I don't think as an innocent bystander who is trying to de-escalate situation and are genuinly worried about the person being attacked to just comply by disappearing..
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A 6'3" 260lb man. 90% of the time I travel I get pulled aside for pat downs and extra security checks. It's a 2 minute inconvenience and everyone moves on there way. Just comply for safety reasons and move on with your day. It's really not that hard.
For Campbell this wasn't the same thing. You are watching these overly aggressive cops escalating the situation and you are worried about your friend. Campbell moved all the way back to his car. Its good to comply with the cops if you are Hill (getting pulled over and its your fault for rolling up the window.) However I don't think as an innocent bystander who is trying to de-escalate situation and are genuinly worried about the person being attacked to just comply by disappearing..
FYI, a former FL police chief said that the officers took appropriate action and it was in line with their training. While I don’t expect a career law endorsement official to not back an officer, the training part is probably the bigger deal since people often conflate what they think cops should do with what they are actually trained to do.
And the teammates rolling up on the scene, parking their cars in a way to obstruct the police/traffic and barking at the cops. What did they think would happen? You can't just roll up on the cops during an active scene. All of them are very lucky - I don't fault the cops at all.
Especially considering recent history with NFL players and cars. Henry Ruggs III killing a woman while driving 140mph in Las Vegas. Rashee Rice wrecking while street racing down a highway in Dallas.
The NFL is letting their social justice crusade trump their public safety and common sense messaging.
And the teammates rolling up on the scene, parking their cars in a way to obstruct the police/traffic and barking at the cops. What did they think would happen? You can't just roll up on the cops during an active scene. All of them are very lucky - I don't fault the cops at all.
Pretty good post. Cops don't want any interference even if it appears harmless in an arrest situation.
Tyreek is a dirtbag…a bunch of kids with multiple baby mamas, multiple domestic violence incidents…a real Walter Payton Man of the Year candidate.
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I'm not buying it. "I felt my life could be at risk if the situation escalated" is a flimsy justification the officer might offer after the fact but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Sure, we as a nation have made our bed where any car could contain an arsenal of weapons at any time but as others have pointed out, it's quite a stretch to assume that the driver of a luxury car of that caliber in that sort of neighborhood with that kind of police presence is just going to shoot a cop like he's playing Grand Theft Auto.
The more likely explanation for the cops actions than "I reasonably thought this could have escalated!" is "That guy rolled his window up on me and didn't respect my authority, so fuck him!" Is that a stretch? This very thread is full of that sentiment.
The police don't have protocols based on luxury vs non-luxury vehicles. They are uncomfortable dealing with any cars with tinted windows and don't want to deal with any unknowns. So, that's why they wanted Hill to keep the window down.
Rationalize with me, was it such really such a difficult ask for Hill to obey keeping the window down? It's SOP.
Hill said he wanted to keep his window up so nobody could record him being ticketed. Sorry, but the cops don't care about any of those concerns.
As I have repeatedly wrote, the one cap who snapped and pulled Hill out of the car likely overreacted. I get it.
But if Hill just followed a simple order, we aren't talking about any of this. And it's just another person who happens to be a professional athlete getting a speeding ticket.
What about the aggression towards all the other people besides Hill.. Campbell was cuffed. The cops were far too angry and aggressice once they pulled him out of the car..
They were directed to get in their vehicle and move. They did not comply multiple times. You don't just get to reason with the police.
With a lot of anger and aggressiveness.. They don't have the power to make you just move away.. he was in a public place.. committing a non moving violation.. write a ticket.. this whole thing about threatening a citizen to move along so they can do whatever they want doesn't fly..
You can't just park your car on the road like that. Also, who is to say one of those guys are not going to get aggressive?
whats the punishment for parking car illegally?
For your second question.. so the cops then can treat anyone with hand cuffing them cause they don't know if someone will get aggressive?
When you stop complying you are more than likely being deemed a threat. The time to handle the rest of it is in court.
Again, I'm not sure I'm buying that everyone who is not compliant to a cop is deemed a threat instead of a nuisance or a punk that the cop wants to put in their place.
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You can't just throw you ID to a cop and tell him "hurry up just give me a ticket I'm late" and proceed to roll up your windows with 80% tint - then telling the cop "don't knock on my window." Completely disconnected from reality. Zero common sense.
And the teammates rolling up on the scene, parking their cars in a way to obstruct the police/traffic and barking at the cops. What did they think would happen? You can't just roll up on the cops during an active scene. All of them are very lucky - I don't fault the cops at all.
Pretty good post. Cops don't want any interference even if it appears harmless in an arrest situation.
Of course they don't, just like I don't want anyone to slow me down by getting into the fast lane while I'm driving. But they can't escalate disproportionately just because someone is being a punk.
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A 6'3" 260lb man. 90% of the time I travel I get pulled aside for pat downs and extra security checks. It's a 2 minute inconvenience and everyone moves on there way. Just comply for safety reasons and move on with your day. It's really not that hard.
For Campbell this wasn't the same thing. You are watching these overly aggressive cops escalating the situation and you are worried about your friend. Campbell moved all the way back to his car. Its good to comply with the cops if you are Hill (getting pulled over and its your fault for rolling up the window.) However I don't think as an innocent bystander who is trying to de-escalate situation and are genuinly worried about the person being attacked to just comply by disappearing..
How is he trying to de-escelate? First he's yelling a conversation with Tyreek, then he's on the phone yelling lies that the cops are beating Tyreek, then he refuses multiple requests to get back in his vehicle. None of that says de-escalate to me.
He was 30 get away on a phone, talking on the phone and not showing any aggression. If you were threatened by him in that situation, I'm not sure you should be a cop. Jesus Christ just look at the engagement with him. He want running towards anyone he was 30 get away on a phone. And from his perspective he was telling the truth. Cop has their knees on hills back.
That cop shouldn't be given any more privileges than me.
In terms of how much more difficult he was acting towards the police and not complying...
That doesn't excuse what was done in those last 4 or 5 minutes of Floyd's life of course.
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You can't just throw you ID to a cop and tell him "hurry up just give me a ticket I'm late" and proceed to roll up your windows with 80% tint - then telling the cop "don't knock on my window." Completely disconnected from reality. Zero common sense.
And the teammates rolling up on the scene, parking their cars in a way to obstruct the police/traffic and barking at the cops. What did they think would happen? You can't just roll up on the cops during an active scene. All of them are very lucky - I don't fault the cops at all.
Pretty good post. Cops don't want any interference even if it appears harmless in an arrest situation.
Staying 30 get away is interference?