I have caught so much shit on this board from people saying I'd rather be right than see the Giants win. Well this sucks.
There are a lot of people on this board who think posting about this team or Jones sucking means that it is enjoyable and you want more of it.
It is the exact opposite.
Like you, I post about this team as a way of venting frustration that Sundays just aren't fun like they used to be because this team isn't competitive and there is no sign it is getting better. It is hard to see that and say nothing (even though it is just venting because no decision makers are reading this).
Hopefully that pollyanna nonsense is a thing of the past - at least as it relates to Daniel Jones...
RE: I will never buy that Daboll is all in on Jones
Schoen? You want to say he's an idiot or an office creature who will do anything to placate his boss? Its possible.
No way on Daboll. We've seen lots of him - he's not an idiot and he's an experienced, credible offensive coach. We've seen the tablet, the dumbed down 22 offense, his attitude this year. There are so many signs. People want to fire him? Not a good HC? Sure. But the guy has seen a lot of offense and a lot of QB play. There is just no way the he would choose to go all in with Jones
Agree with you. Just because the Giants gave Jones that deal that doesn't equal "all-in" on him from Daboll.
It could mean Daboll was thinking give him a contract that we can deal with in the short term and still get a couple of other new bodies for my roster under the cap, and let's see how it goes. That's not all-in, that is punting the QB decision to another day and hope DJ keeps performing under my coaching.
Don't get me wrong, that contract was an abomination for such a low-talent passer like Jones. But unfortunately Schoen/Daboll saw a higher talented player in their 2022 evaluation process. Scary as that is.
RE: RE: I know you're constructing a plausible scenario
And I agree what you said is plausible. But I think you actually agree with me on Daboll.
If they asked "Brian, your head coaching career is tied to Daniel Jones at 20% of the salary cap - yes or no?" Do you really think he's saying yes?
I don't disagree.
Differently said, I could see Schoen manipulating Daboll into signing off by saying the QB market is not good and they could re-evaluate at the end of 2023.
Seems convenient that 'someone in the organization' is now telling people that Jones contract was all Joe/Dabs. Not saying it isn't true, but I don't know if I totally buy that. It was probably a decision made collectively by Mara/Schoen/Dabs. Now, people are going to start pointing fingers @ others for that albatross of a deal.
Could be that the rats are deserting the sinking ship, but you would think the usual suspects in the sporting press would be leaking it if that were the case.
Could also be true. Seems that Daboll and Schoen have incredibly big heads for not having accomplished a whole lot.
It's kind of sad in a way. The group of posters on here who vilified anyone being realistic about Jones, all gave up on him after a week.
Team Jones may get lucky again this weekend as Jones runs into the Washington. The team he has owned.
If NYG wins and Jones puts up 200 passing yards, 1 passing TD, maybe 1 running TD and no turnovers, he will get another stay of execution.
And then the mouthpieces for 1925 Giants Way, Banks and Papa, come out and say the rust is starting to come off and Jones is now trending the right way...
It's so easy to write the script with this cast of buffoons.
RE: RE: I will never buy that Daboll is all in on Jones
Schoen? You want to say he's an idiot or an office creature who will do anything to placate his boss? Its possible.
No way on Daboll. We've seen lots of him - he's not an idiot and he's an experienced, credible offensive coach. We've seen the tablet, the dumbed down 22 offense, his attitude this year. There are so many signs. People want to fire him? Not a good HC? Sure. But the guy has seen a lot of offense and a lot of QB play. There is just no way the he would choose to go all in with Jones
Here is my pushback on this. Going into 2023, I could see Daboll thinking he would be interested in seeing how Jones could do without the training wheels in 2022. So, if Schoen explained the limitations of the QB market, I could see that being an easy sell for Daboll...at least in the short-run...
I don’t even think it’s that complicated. They made the playoffs, Jones played reasonably well, there was ZERO chance they weren’t resigning him. The only questions were for how much and how long. Those 2 issues are 100% on Schoen, even if he asked Daboll his opinion (which I doubt he would).
I simply will not understand firing the HC because they made a bad contract with their QB. It would be like firing the GM because the HC blew a call in a playoff game.
I think Daboll was all in after 2023, and all out after
the Seattle game last season. At the end of 2023, he probably thought he could elevate his play, and the other options weren't great. At some point, last season I'm sure he said "Mother_ucker!!! We _ucked up."
With the mega-contract making him uncuttable this year, he had to play him, at least initially. Will be very interesting to see how soon he makes a move at QB. There's no way DJ is "his guy" anymore.
As for Schoene, he's the main culprit with 2 big f'ups. (1) Grossly overpaying DJ, and (2) failing to bring in any viable alternative (Fields, even Tyrod). With a starter as weak as DJ, we should have been at the top of the backup QB market. We should have been able to do better than Locke. (I won't blame him for not passing on Nabers and selecting Nix/Penix/JJ, as I think we'll have better QB options in 2025.)
It's kind of sad in a way. The group of posters on here who vilified anyone being realistic about Jones, all gave up on him after a week.
Team Jones may get lucky again this weekend as Jones runs into the Washington. The team he has owned.
If NYG wins and Jones puts up 200 passing yards, 1 passing TD, maybe 1 running TD and no turnovers, he will get another stay of execution.
And then the mouthpieces for 1925 Giants Way, Banks and Papa, come out and say the rust is starting to come off and Jones is now trending the right way...
It's so easy to write the script with this cast of buffoons.
If Baker can hit for the cycle against WFT, Jones can probably manage a single.
It's kind of sad in a way. The group of posters on here who vilified anyone being realistic about Jones, all gave up on him after a week.
If the Giants win this week it will be back to positivity. I guarantee it. "We're 1-1. We started 1-1 in '86 and '11, and '0-2 in '07!"
The game to keep an eye on is the next home game - Thursday night against Dallas week 4. If there's a game that's going to get ugly in a lot of different ways...
Was at the game, Section 140 aginst the wall last row
Been a fan since Fran Tarkenton. Wearing my No 8 shirt.
We were able to see the alumni section with Shockey sitting with Parcells.
Loved the half time show.
Left at the end of the third.
Eric, you nailed it.
Worst game I ever saw out of Jones.
Spending my Sundays working on my cars and sailboat from now on...
It's kind of sad in a way. The group of posters on here who vilified anyone being realistic about Jones, all gave up on him after a week.
Team Jones may get lucky again this weekend as Jones runs into the Washington. The team he has owned.
If NYG wins and Jones puts up 200 passing yards, 1 passing TD, maybe 1 running TD and no turnovers, he will get another stay of execution.
And then the mouthpieces for 1925 Giants Way, Banks and Papa, come out and say the rust is starting to come off and Jones is now trending the right way...
It's so easy to write the script with this cast of buffoons.
They get paid by the organization and that is how it works if you want to keep your job.
is good. Ideally, the fans would apply the pressure with an economic boycott and stop subjecting themselves to this horrible product.
Unfortunately, it's easier than ever for fans to sell tickets to other teams' fans, and profit off that exchange. That's not ideal for ownership, but as long as someone is buying parking, food, drinks, etc, that still goes to the top and bottom lines for ownership.
woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.
I always thought Mara was the driving force behind the Jones contract, although I am not sure that this one comment will convince me otherwise. But if that is true, the absent a miraculous turnaround, Schoen and Daboll should both be fired at the end of the season. The Jones contract is much worse than the contracts that DG gave to Golladay and Solder. And it will get even worse if Jones is injured and the Giants have to pay his $23M injury guarantee.
the discussion at the 1:17 minute mark about the Van Ginkel INT is not coaching, IMV.
The QB is responsible for reading the defense and snuffing out potentially bad plays before they occur. If you guys could see that the play had catastrophe written all over it, then why the hell didn't Jones see that? And call a timeout...
all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
Completely on board with that approach. I do like the idea of taking one QB in the first round and a developmental guy later in the 5th or 6th round. Make a statement that the guy who plays the best will start.
Playing QB for the Giants should become a right that is earned, not a crown that is bestowed.
The big fear is that the next QB will get the same long leash. Even if they move on from Jones, the fundamental problem remains.
Long intros are engagement killers on YouTube. If someone finds your channel, odds are they'll click away 30 seconds in.
Keep the intro at ten to fifteen seconds MAX. Put the long one at the end as an outro.
yeah, I would start each podcast shoring one or two of the key plays from the previous week's game using the radio announcers. Plays that you would go on to discuss at some point during the podcast. Of course, this is all assuming you can do this from a legal perspective.
the discussion at the 1:17 minute mark about the Van Ginkel INT is not coaching, IMV.
The QB is responsible for reading the defense and snuffing out potentially bad plays before they occur. If you guys could see that the play had catastrophe written all over it, then why the hell didn't Jones see that? And call a timeout...
Solid point, he had to see the disaster that was coming..
I totally agree that Jones shouldn't play another down for the Giants ever again. There is no upside. The downside of course is that he could get hurt to the point where he can't pass a physical next year, which would trigger his $23M injury guarantee. He is as you say "broken" and can't be fixed.
Jones is going to start against Washington. But I still think his "leash" is short, and another two or at most three games like Minnesota will get him benched. At some point it has to happen out of fairness to the other players.
I totally agree that Jones shouldn't play another down for the Giants ever again. There is no upside. The downside of course is that he could get hurt to the point where he can't pass a physical next year, which would trigger his $23M injury guarantee. He is as you say "broken" and can't be fixed.
Jones is going to start against Washington. But I still think his "leash" is short, and another two or at most three games like Minnesota will get him benched. At some point it has to happen out of fairness to the other players.
While I agree with you on what SHOULD happen, what about anything they’ve done makes you think they will pull the plug on the Daniel Jones experiment? I’m done thinking they are that smart. I’ll believe it when I see it
I totally agree that Jones shouldn't play another down for the Giants ever again. There is no upside. The downside of course is that he could get hurt to the point where he can't pass a physical next year, which would trigger his $23M injury guarantee. He is as you say "broken" and can't be fixed.
Jones is going to start against Washington. But I still think his "leash" is short, and another two or at most three games like Minnesota will get him benched. At some point it has to happen out of fairness to the other players.
While I agree with you on what SHOULD happen, what about anything they’ve done makes you think they will pull the plug on the Daniel Jones experiment? I’m done thinking they are that smart. I’ll believe it when I see it
Because a mutiny will happen. The first true sign that things are heading in that direction would be for Devito to be active on game day.
of what Eric said is what I said to my fiance. This isn’t fun, I want to watch a team that is at least competitive. It’s insane to feel like the entire season is over after one drive. All I wanted from this season was to feel like things were moving in the right direction. It’s not, I’m out on Schoen and Daboll, I don’t know what will have to happen to get me back on board. Jones is absolutely broken. The team is broken. The franchise is broken. Is the way out as simple as getting a competent QB? My initial reaction to the schedule release was that this team was not better than any opponent. Two wins maybe, against Washington and Carolina. Training camp made me feel like maybe 7 wins give or take a couple was more realistic. I’m back to being surprised if they beat anyone, which unfortunately they will, and it’ll unfortunately take them out of range from drafting a QB, again. I want football to be fun again.
of what Eric said is what I said to my fiance. This isn’t fun, I want to watch a team that is at least competitive. It’s insane to feel like the entire season is over after one drive. All I wanted from this season was to feel like things were moving in the right direction. It’s not, I’m out on Schoen and Daboll, I don’t know what will have to happen to get me back on board. Jones is absolutely broken. The team is broken. The franchise is broken. Is the way out as simple as getting a competent QB? My initial reaction to the schedule release was that this team was not better than any opponent. Two wins maybe, against Washington and Carolina. Training camp made me feel like maybe 7 wins give or take a couple was more realistic. I’m back to being surprised if they beat anyone, which unfortunately they will, and it’ll unfortunately take them out of range from drafting a QB, again. I want football to be fun again.
Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.
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I don't know what you are referring to.
I thought John was suggesting that every team in the NFL basically doesn't play anyone in the preseason. Which is why QB play in week 1 was so poor across the NFL (true)...
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.
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I don't know what you are referring to.
I thought John was suggesting that every team in the NFL basically doesn't play anyone in the preseason. Which is why QB play in week 1 was so poor across the NFL (true)...
You want me to list the teams that didn't play their starters? It will bw far more than 2 teams.
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You want me to list the teams that didn't play their starters? It will bw far more than 2 teams.
I know the majority of the league doesn't. But it's not every team.
Every wonder why, however, the Chiefs and Steelers seems to start off most years with wins and good Septembers. Perhaps it's because they have less rust than most teams...That's my point.
On the other hand, the Rams play nobody. And McVay is more than willing to manage through that with the intent on peaking late.
I said the same thing about the dangers of actually winning in Washington with Daniel. That's why I want him benched now. There's no upside to playing Daniel at this point. None.
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But wait you’re wrong. Like the Dumb and Dumber line it keeps alive the fantasy that maaaaybe Jones can still be the guy. “So you’re saying there’s a chance?”
Seems convenient that 'someone in the organization' is now telling people that Jones contract was all Joe/Dabs. Not saying it isn't true, but I don't know if I totally buy that. It was probably a decision made collectively by Mara/Schoen/Dabs. Now, people are going to start pointing fingers @ others for that albatross of a deal.
Possibly the Giants PR machine already in effect. They are more effective than the team as a whole.
woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.
And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.
Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.
woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.
And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.
Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.
woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.
And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.
Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.
Schoen definitely owns the contract, but there is absolutely some blme-shifting going on here. Let's be honest, there was absolutely no way Mara would have signed off on letting Jones walk after 2022. No. Way.
Schoen bears the brunt of responsibility, that is totally fair, but for Mara to try to pass this all off as Schoen's decision is beyond disingenuous. And we've seen this film before, things go bad, the Mara's circle the wagons and blame everyone else.
Everyone not named Mara is right now wondering about their future should there be a shakeup. The easiest and surest to keep your job is to align yourself with the Mara's and re-spin their take.
woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.
And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.
Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.
Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.
The Chiefs make a big PR deal about Mahomes playing in the pre-season, but what actually happens?
Week 1 KC: Mahomes played one possession.
Week 1 NYG: Giants don't play starters but had two days of joint practices with the Lions. The Chiefs don't do joint practices.
Week 2 KC: Mahomes played two possessions in the 1Q. For the Chiefs' next possession, with 3:13 still remaining in the 1Q, Mahomes is on the sidelines, not to return.
Week 2 NYG: Giants play starters, including Jones, the entire first half, five offensive possessions.
Week 3: Nobody plays starters. Giants have a joint practice with the Jets.
Total preseason game possessions played: Jones 5, Mahomes 3. And the Giants have three days of joint practices the Chiefs don't have.
Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.
The Chiefs make a big PR deal about Mahomes playing in the pre-season, but what actually happens?
Week 1 KC: Mahomes played one possession.
Week 1 NYG: Giants don't play starters but had two days of joint practices with the Lions. The Chiefs don't do joint practices.
Week 2 KC: Mahomes played two possessions in the 1Q. For the Chiefs' next possession, with 3:13 still remaining in the 1Q, Mahomes is on the sidelines, not to return.
Week 2 NYG: Giants play starters, including Jones, the entire first half, five offensive possessions.
Week 3: Nobody plays starters. Giants have a joint practice with the Jets.
Total preseason game possessions played: Jones 5, Mahomes 3. And the Giants have three days of joint practices the Chiefs don't have.
KC is the reigning SB champ and Mahomes is the best player in the league. The Giants won 6 games, their starter is coming off an ACL and hadn't played in 9 months.
I know that coaches love to point at joint practices as more productive than preseason, and I get why, but for QB's they aren't remotely the same. You don't get hit in joint practices, so it isn't the same game prep for QB's as it is for others.
Now if your KC with Mahomes, who cares, he doesn't need the live reps, but if your QB hasn't played in 9 months? He needs to play when real bullets are flying. That isn't happening with joint sessions.
RE: RE: RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...
KC is the reigning SB champ and Mahomes is the best player in the league. The Giants won 6 games, their starter is coming off an ACL and hadn't played in 9 months.
I know that coaches love to point at joint practices as more productive than preseason, and I get why, but for QB's they aren't remotely the same. You don't get hit in joint practices, so it isn't the same game prep for QB's as it is for others.
Now if your KC with Mahomes, who cares, he doesn't need the live reps, but if your QB hasn't played in 9 months? He needs to play when real bullets are flying. That isn't happening with joint sessions.
If you wish to beat that drum, you can beat it. I don't happen to agree. Daniel Jones is who he is and exposing him and other starters (who would have to be out there with him) to more risk of injury in pre-season won't change that.
The point I was responding to is the claim the Chiefs are doing something notably different. They're not.
While I was just watching the intro to the new episode...
one small point of feedback. I have been letting my young kids listen to this podcast with me as they come out. Has been a great way for us to bond over the Giants. Couple in grade school, one in middle school.
Unfortunately, we had to cut this one off early because of the language.
However, I totally get the frustration, and I don't want you guys to adjust the format; it's great when you guys speak from your heart, and not try to hold things back. So, if the podcast is geared more towards adults, I get it.
I'll listen on my own; sounds like this episode is going to be a doozy!
Thank you for all the hard work you guys put into this.
Gottcha.... and duly noted moving forward.
Finally got to listen during some mid-day drive time today, I thought to myself it was good to hear Eric swearing so much, you were speaking for all of us!
But the point about kids listening in is a good one:)
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I have caught so much shit on this board from people saying I'd rather be right than see the Giants win. Well this sucks.
There are a lot of people on this board who think posting about this team or Jones sucking means that it is enjoyable and you want more of it.
It is the exact opposite.
Like you, I post about this team as a way of venting frustration that Sundays just aren't fun like they used to be because this team isn't competitive and there is no sign it is getting better. It is hard to see that and say nothing (even though it is just venting because no decision makers are reading this).
Hopefully that pollyanna nonsense is a thing of the past - at least as it relates to Daniel Jones...
No way on Daboll. We've seen lots of him - he's not an idiot and he's an experienced, credible offensive coach. We've seen the tablet, the dumbed down 22 offense, his attitude this year. There are so many signs. People want to fire him? Not a good HC? Sure. But the guy has seen a lot of offense and a lot of QB play. There is just no way the he would choose to go all in with Jones
Agree with you. Just because the Giants gave Jones that deal that doesn't equal "all-in" on him from Daboll.
It could mean Daboll was thinking give him a contract that we can deal with in the short term and still get a couple of other new bodies for my roster under the cap, and let's see how it goes. That's not all-in, that is punting the QB decision to another day and hope DJ keeps performing under my coaching.
Don't get me wrong, that contract was an abomination for such a low-talent passer like Jones. But unfortunately Schoen/Daboll saw a higher talented player in their 2022 evaluation process. Scary as that is.
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And I agree what you said is plausible. But I think you actually agree with me on Daboll.
If they asked "Brian, your head coaching career is tied to Daniel Jones at 20% of the salary cap - yes or no?" Do you really think he's saying yes?
I don't disagree.
Differently said, I could see Schoen manipulating Daboll into signing off by saying the QB market is not good and they could re-evaluate at the end of 2023.
Yes, this sounds closer to reality
Could also be true. Seems that Daboll and Schoen have incredibly big heads for not having accomplished a whole lot.
Team Jones may get lucky again this weekend as Jones runs into the Washington. The team he has owned.
If NYG wins and Jones puts up 200 passing yards, 1 passing TD, maybe 1 running TD and no turnovers, he will get another stay of execution.
And then the mouthpieces for 1925 Giants Way, Banks and Papa, come out and say the rust is starting to come off and Jones is now trending the right way...
It's so easy to write the script with this cast of buffoons.
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Schoen? You want to say he's an idiot or an office creature who will do anything to placate his boss? Its possible.
No way on Daboll. We've seen lots of him - he's not an idiot and he's an experienced, credible offensive coach. We've seen the tablet, the dumbed down 22 offense, his attitude this year. There are so many signs. People want to fire him? Not a good HC? Sure. But the guy has seen a lot of offense and a lot of QB play. There is just no way the he would choose to go all in with Jones
Here is my pushback on this. Going into 2023, I could see Daboll thinking he would be interested in seeing how Jones could do without the training wheels in 2022. So, if Schoen explained the limitations of the QB market, I could see that being an easy sell for Daboll...at least in the short-run...
I don’t even think it’s that complicated. They made the playoffs, Jones played reasonably well, there was ZERO chance they weren’t resigning him. The only questions were for how much and how long. Those 2 issues are 100% on Schoen, even if he asked Daboll his opinion (which I doubt he would).
I simply will not understand firing the HC because they made a bad contract with their QB. It would be like firing the GM because the HC blew a call in a playoff game.
With the mega-contract making him uncuttable this year, he had to play him, at least initially. Will be very interesting to see how soon he makes a move at QB. There's no way DJ is "his guy" anymore.
As for Schoene, he's the main culprit with 2 big f'ups. (1) Grossly overpaying DJ, and (2) failing to bring in any viable alternative (Fields, even Tyrod). With a starter as weak as DJ, we should have been at the top of the backup QB market. We should have been able to do better than Locke. (I won't blame him for not passing on Nabers and selecting Nix/Penix/JJ, as I think we'll have better QB options in 2025.)
Team Jones may get lucky again this weekend as Jones runs into the Washington. The team he has owned.
If NYG wins and Jones puts up 200 passing yards, 1 passing TD, maybe 1 running TD and no turnovers, he will get another stay of execution.
And then the mouthpieces for 1925 Giants Way, Banks and Papa, come out and say the rust is starting to come off and Jones is now trending the right way...
It's so easy to write the script with this cast of buffoons.
If Baker can hit for the cycle against WFT, Jones can probably manage a single.
If the Giants win this week it will be back to positivity. I guarantee it. "We're 1-1. We started 1-1 in '86 and '11, and '0-2 in '07!"
The game to keep an eye on is the next home game - Thursday night against Dallas week 4. If there's a game that's going to get ugly in a lot of different ways...
We were able to see the alumni section with Shockey sitting with Parcells.
Loved the half time show.
Left at the end of the third.
Eric, you nailed it.
Worst game I ever saw out of Jones.
Spending my Sundays working on my cars and sailboat from now on...
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It's kind of sad in a way. The group of posters on here who vilified anyone being realistic about Jones, all gave up on him after a week.
Team Jones may get lucky again this weekend as Jones runs into the Washington. The team he has owned.
If NYG wins and Jones puts up 200 passing yards, 1 passing TD, maybe 1 running TD and no turnovers, he will get another stay of execution.
And then the mouthpieces for 1925 Giants Way, Banks and Papa, come out and say the rust is starting to come off and Jones is now trending the right way...
It's so easy to write the script with this cast of buffoons.
They get paid by the organization and that is how it works if you want to keep your job.
Unfortunately, it's easier than ever for fans to sell tickets to other teams' fans, and profit off that exchange. That's not ideal for ownership, but as long as someone is buying parking, food, drinks, etc, that still goes to the top and bottom lines for ownership.
I always thought Mara was the driving force behind the Jones contract, although I am not sure that this one comment will convince me otherwise. But if that is true, the absent a miraculous turnaround, Schoen and Daboll should both be fired at the end of the season. The Jones contract is much worse than the contracts that DG gave to Golladay and Solder. And it will get even worse if Jones is injured and the Giants have to pay his $23M injury guarantee.
The QB is responsible for reading the defense and snuffing out potentially bad plays before they occur. If you guys could see that the play had catastrophe written all over it, then why the hell didn't Jones see that? And call a timeout...
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all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
Completely on board with that approach. I do like the idea of taking one QB in the first round and a developmental guy later in the 5th or 6th round. Make a statement that the guy who plays the best will start.
Playing QB for the Giants should become a right that is earned, not a crown that is bestowed.
The big fear is that the next QB will get the same long leash. Even if they move on from Jones, the fundamental problem remains.
Keep the intro at ten to fifteen seconds MAX. Put the long one at the end as an outro.
The QB is responsible for reading the defense and snuffing out potentially bad plays before they occur. If you guys could see that the play had catastrophe written all over it, then why the hell didn't Jones see that? And call a timeout...
Solid point, he had to see the disaster that was coming..
I totally agree that Jones shouldn't play another down for the Giants ever again. There is no upside. The downside of course is that he could get hurt to the point where he can't pass a physical next year, which would trigger his $23M injury guarantee. He is as you say "broken" and can't be fixed.
Jones is going to start against Washington. But I still think his "leash" is short, and another two or at most three games like Minnesota will get him benched. At some point it has to happen out of fairness to the other players.
I totally agree that Jones shouldn't play another down for the Giants ever again. There is no upside. The downside of course is that he could get hurt to the point where he can't pass a physical next year, which would trigger his $23M injury guarantee. He is as you say "broken" and can't be fixed.
Jones is going to start against Washington. But I still think his "leash" is short, and another two or at most three games like Minnesota will get him benched. At some point it has to happen out of fairness to the other players.
While I agree with you on what SHOULD happen, what about anything they’ve done makes you think they will pull the plug on the Daniel Jones experiment? I’m done thinking they are that smart. I’ll believe it when I see it
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show. Thanks.
I totally agree that Jones shouldn't play another down for the Giants ever again. There is no upside. The downside of course is that he could get hurt to the point where he can't pass a physical next year, which would trigger his $23M injury guarantee. He is as you say "broken" and can't be fixed.
Jones is going to start against Washington. But I still think his "leash" is short, and another two or at most three games like Minnesota will get him benched. At some point it has to happen out of fairness to the other players.
While I agree with you on what SHOULD happen, what about anything they’ve done makes you think they will pull the plug on the Daniel Jones experiment? I’m done thinking they are that smart. I’ll believe it when I see it
Because a mutiny will happen. The first true sign that things are heading in that direction would be for Devito to be active on game day.
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I don't know what you are referring to.
Ok so you are saying 2 out of 32 teams do that..
Agree, the fanbase is burned out on this garbage.
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.
Ok so you are saying 2 out of 32 teams do that..
It seems kind of nit picky on that one subject.
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.
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I don't know what you are referring to.
I thought John was suggesting that every team in the NFL basically doesn't play anyone in the preseason. Which is why QB play in week 1 was so poor across the NFL (true)...
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.
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I don't know what you are referring to.
I thought John was suggesting that every team in the NFL basically doesn't play anyone in the preseason. Which is why QB play in week 1 was so poor across the NFL (true)...
You want me to list the teams that didn't play their starters? It will bw far more than 2 teams.
You want me to list the teams that didn't play their starters? It will bw far more than 2 teams.
I know the majority of the league doesn't. But it's not every team.
Every wonder why, however, the Chiefs and Steelers seems to start off most years with wins and good Septembers. Perhaps it's because they have less rust than most teams...That's my point.
On the other hand, the Rams play nobody. And McVay is more than willing to manage through that with the intent on peaking late.
This is what Daboll is doing. He knows he cannot win with the qb that was hoisted upon him.
Play him for 17 games go 0-17 and make Mara fire me. Thats what i would do.
Refuse to start anyone else at qb.
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But wait you’re wrong. Like the Dumb and Dumber line it keeps alive the fantasy that maaaaybe Jones can still be the guy. “So you’re saying there’s a chance?”
And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
Possibly the Giants PR machine already in effect. They are more effective than the team as a whole.
In fact the starters should play most of the preseason because they need the practice playing together as a GD team!
Since when do lousy teams not need practice?
Another reason why we suck
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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.
And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.
Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.
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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.
And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.
Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.
Then Schoen isn't the right man for this job.
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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.
And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.
Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.
Schoen definitely owns the contract, but there is absolutely some blme-shifting going on here. Let's be honest, there was absolutely no way Mara would have signed off on letting Jones walk after 2022. No. Way.
Schoen bears the brunt of responsibility, that is totally fair, but for Mara to try to pass this all off as Schoen's decision is beyond disingenuous. And we've seen this film before, things go bad, the Mara's circle the wagons and blame everyone else.
Everyone not named Mara is right now wondering about their future should there be a shakeup. The easiest and surest to keep your job is to align yourself with the Mara's and re-spin their take.
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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.
And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.
Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.
Speaking of Paul Schwartz
Daniel Jones’ stunning ineptitude has made for a massive Giants mess - ( New Window )
Jones has been the one common denominator. Get a NFL competent qb and watch those complaints disappear.
The Chiefs make a big PR deal about Mahomes playing in the pre-season, but what actually happens?
Week 1 KC: Mahomes played one possession.
Week 1 NYG: Giants don't play starters but had two days of joint practices with the Lions. The Chiefs don't do joint practices.
Week 2 KC: Mahomes played two possessions in the 1Q. For the Chiefs' next possession, with 3:13 still remaining in the 1Q, Mahomes is on the sidelines, not to return.
Week 2 NYG: Giants play starters, including Jones, the entire first half, five offensive possessions.
Week 3: Nobody plays starters. Giants have a joint practice with the Jets.
Total preseason game possessions played: Jones 5, Mahomes 3. And the Giants have three days of joint practices the Chiefs don't have.
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.
The Chiefs make a big PR deal about Mahomes playing in the pre-season, but what actually happens?
Week 1 KC: Mahomes played one possession.
Week 1 NYG: Giants don't play starters but had two days of joint practices with the Lions. The Chiefs don't do joint practices.
Week 2 KC: Mahomes played two possessions in the 1Q. For the Chiefs' next possession, with 3:13 still remaining in the 1Q, Mahomes is on the sidelines, not to return.
Week 2 NYG: Giants play starters, including Jones, the entire first half, five offensive possessions.
Week 3: Nobody plays starters. Giants have a joint practice with the Jets.
Total preseason game possessions played: Jones 5, Mahomes 3. And the Giants have three days of joint practices the Chiefs don't have.
KC is the reigning SB champ and Mahomes is the best player in the league. The Giants won 6 games, their starter is coming off an ACL and hadn't played in 9 months.
I know that coaches love to point at joint practices as more productive than preseason, and I get why, but for QB's they aren't remotely the same. You don't get hit in joint practices, so it isn't the same game prep for QB's as it is for others.
Now if your KC with Mahomes, who cares, he doesn't need the live reps, but if your QB hasn't played in 9 months? He needs to play when real bullets are flying. That isn't happening with joint sessions.
KC is the reigning SB champ and Mahomes is the best player in the league. The Giants won 6 games, their starter is coming off an ACL and hadn't played in 9 months.
I know that coaches love to point at joint practices as more productive than preseason, and I get why, but for QB's they aren't remotely the same. You don't get hit in joint practices, so it isn't the same game prep for QB's as it is for others.
Now if your KC with Mahomes, who cares, he doesn't need the live reps, but if your QB hasn't played in 9 months? He needs to play when real bullets are flying. That isn't happening with joint sessions.
If you wish to beat that drum, you can beat it. I don't happen to agree. Daniel Jones is who he is and exposing him and other starters (who would have to be out there with him) to more risk of injury in pre-season won't change that.
The point I was responding to is the claim the Chiefs are doing something notably different. They're not.
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one small point of feedback. I have been letting my young kids listen to this podcast with me as they come out. Has been a great way for us to bond over the Giants. Couple in grade school, one in middle school.
Unfortunately, we had to cut this one off early because of the language.
However, I totally get the frustration, and I don't want you guys to adjust the format; it's great when you guys speak from your heart, and not try to hold things back. So, if the podcast is geared more towards adults, I get it.
I'll listen on my own; sounds like this episode is going to be a doozy!
Thank you for all the hard work you guys put into this.
Gottcha.... and duly noted moving forward.
Finally got to listen during some mid-day drive time today, I thought to myself it was good to hear Eric swearing so much, you were speaking for all of us!
But the point about kids listening in is a good one:)