We broke the 500 subscriber mark so we will be giving away a mini NY Giants helmet (or another team of the winners choice).
We recorded this last night and then I put it together to post- finished around 12:30 this morning.
After all off season, Hard Knocks, the draft, Eric and I deciding to get the band back together and then putting these videos together- it was such a air out of the balloon moment last Sunday. I try not to be full doom and gloom but it is getting harder and harder not to head that way.
We went long on this last night and honestly we could have gone longer easily. The frustration of the last 13 years is just overwhelming as a fan.. As Eric said, his kids and my kids have never seen this team win with any consistency and not during their more "aware" years for sure..
We broke the 500 subscriber mark so we will be giving away a mini NY Giants helmet (or another team of the winners choice).
We recorded this last night and then I put it together to post- finished around 12:30 this morning.
After all off season, Hard Knocks, the draft, Eric and I deciding to get the band back together and then putting these videos together- it was such a air out of the balloon moment last Sunday. I try not to be full doom and gloom but it is getting harder and harder not to head that way.
We went long on this last night and honestly we could have gone longer easily. The frustration of the last 13 years is just overwhelming as a fan.. As Eric said, his kids and my kids have never seen this team win with any consistency and not during their more "aware" years for sure..
I'm proofing Sy's game review now... He used the same Chuck Knoblauch analogy you did.
We broke the 500 subscriber mark so we will be giving away a mini NY Giants helmet (or another team of the winners choice).
We recorded this last night and then I put it together to post- finished around 12:30 this morning.
After all off season, Hard Knocks, the draft, Eric and I deciding to get the band back together and then putting these videos together- it was such a air out of the balloon moment last Sunday. I try not to be full doom and gloom but it is getting harder and harder not to head that way.
We went long on this last night and honestly we could have gone longer easily. The frustration of the last 13 years is just overwhelming as a fan.. As Eric said, his kids and my kids have never seen this team win with any consistency and not during their more "aware" years for sure..
I'm proofing Sy's game review now... He used the same Chuck Knoblauch analogy you did.
We broke the 500 subscriber mark so we will be giving away a mini NY Giants helmet (or another team of the winners choice).
We recorded this last night and then I put it together to post- finished around 12:30 this morning.
After all off season, Hard Knocks, the draft, Eric and I deciding to get the band back together and then putting these videos together- it was such a air out of the balloon moment last Sunday. I try not to be full doom and gloom but it is getting harder and harder not to head that way.
We went long on this last night and honestly we could have gone longer easily. The frustration of the last 13 years is just overwhelming as a fan.. As Eric said, his kids and my kids have never seen this team win with any consistency and not during their more "aware" years for sure..
Some years we get the entertainment from what happens on the field.
Some years we get the entertainment from what happens off the field.
Just trying to help center you.
Yahoo Sports Power Rankings After Week 1 Have the Giants at #31,
31. New York Giants
"It's hard to feel good about anything with the Giants after that opener. General manager Joe Schoen, head coach Brian Daboll and quarterback Daniel Jones should all be worried. Also, a defense that allowed Sam Darnold to torch it might be a real problem all season."
IMO, something is just not adding up with this Giants team. It's one thing to get blown out by a Super Bowl contender, but Minnesota? The Giants may not have the greatest personnel, but they played below their talent this past Sunday. Football is such an emotional/momentum sport and the Giants looked stiff and slow right out of the gate. Are the players wondering why Joe Schoen kept Daniel Jones and let Saquon Barkley walk? Have the players tuned out Brian Daboll? Had the team lost faith in their signal-caller before the season even started? Did the players watch Hard Knocks and decide that Joe Schoen is an A-hole? What f-ing gives with this team???
I get we are going for a full housecleaning and I'm good with that, but I think you substantially underrated the role of Mara in all of this, particularly the Jones part. Now, Schoen may love Jones. But he may not. I don't think he had any choice in the matter because of Mara. I'm still fine with firing him, but a lot of this stuff goes straight to the top. And Schoen has done a pretty bad job with the non-QB stuff too.
This is more speculative, but Daboll to me looks like a beaten man whose career is shackled to a bum that he didn't choose. BD may or may not be a good coach but I don't think he's a moron. He sees the Jones stuff. And admittedly this is armchair analysis, but he looks like he knows it's over because of choices beyond his control.
This team isn't going to go 2-15. The important thing is going to be to remember how we all feel right now if they win some meaningless games to cobble together a 7-10 record.
Because I promise you if that happens Jones will be the quarterback again next year, and Schoen and Daboll will be back.
And I 100% agree with this fan base tuning out. I’m not even sure I’m going to watch the WFT game this Sunday if other plans come up. The Giants don’t deserve 3 hours of my attention, especially if the weather is nice.
Here’s the thing: what does significant improvement mean to Mara??
A 7-10 record sucks imv and not significant improvement.
I hate Daboll’s country club training camps. Team is unprepared to play football.
Joint practice with Jets was a waste of time with no intensity. A joke!!!
I actually feel like Daboll is somewhat disinterested with Jones as his starting QB.
He should have been more demanding about getting his QB pre draft.
I think you’re on target here. Something doesn’t quite add up. And don’t tell me it’s anything to do with Hard Knocks. Never seen such ridiculous criticism. But have no clue why this team looks this bad. They play below their talent level. The obvious is coaching but I have no clue.
This team isn't going to go 2-15. The important thing is going to be to remember how we all feel right now if they win some meaningless games to cobble together a 7-10 record.
Because I promise you if that happens Jones will be the quarterback again next year, and Schoen and Daboll will be back.
See I will disagree with that last part only because I felt (said already) that i think Schoen and Daboll are moving off Jones at the end of this year regardless. Now, your counter argument would be if that is true why bother with him at all now.
I am beginning to think they knew their cap pieces would be tight and that explains the juggling now without touching Jones's money. I know Eric got all heated when I brought this but my point was if the Giants touched Jones's money that would be the easiest way to get a LOT of space BUT that would mean he is staying longer. The Giants have not touched Jones's money and in fact have gone back to AT and DL multiple times to make some cap space. The idea clearly is to make sure his money can be cleared up this off season..
The negative to looking for a QB is quite frankly there will be at least 6 and possibly up to 10 teams legitimately looking for a QB (stopgap or long term) this upcoming off season. The Giants I think will go long term over stopgap but it all depends on the wins this year. If they cobble together 7-9 wins then maybe a VET for a year or two with a lower round QB pick is the way to go. I doubt that though, I think we go after the QB in the draft in RD 1.
Another opening day debacle, IMO, feels like a changing of the guard. As bad as the last decade has been, through all of it, i feel like Washington has still managed to be the cellar dweller of this division. I think that's changed now. We are the new official bottom feeder. We are a shjt franchise, and there's really no promise that it's ever going to change.
Laughed out loud when my wife brings me another beer.
I only did the insert of the BBI poster of the week once because the file was so big it was taking forever to load. That one took 1:15 minutes to load after IO added the intro and the one BBI poster of the week graphic.
This team isn't going to go 2-15. The important thing is going to be to remember how we all feel right now if they win some meaningless games to cobble together a 7-10 record.
Because I promise you if that happens Jones will be the quarterback again next year, and Schoen and Daboll will be back.
You can get to 7-10 and save about $35M.
I don't think John is correct about seeing this in practice
I said all along that we weren't going to know for sure until the bullets were firing live for real. Jones had a good camp last year. He finished strong this year. The issues are psychological and you are only going to see them on Sundays. You don't hear footsteps when your teammates can't hit you and sacks are only "wood be" sacks. This was always a distinct possibility, because this is what we saw from him last year. The hope was that in the time off he got his head straight. Clearly he didn't. So now we'll turn to Lock or Tommy, but the sooner the better.
RE: Here’s the thing: what does significant improvement mean to Mara??
"I actually feel like Daboll is somewhat disinterested with Jones as his starting QB."
This. Daboll wants to throw the ball downfield, get big chunks of yardage, pressure the defense. Is there a worse QB in football to try and do that with than DJ?
one small point of feedback. I have been letting my young kids listen to this podcast with me as they come out. Has been a great way for us to bond over the Giants. Couple in grade school, one in middle school.
Unfortunately, we had to cut this one off early because of the language.
However, I totally get the frustration, and I don't want you guys to adjust the format; it's great when you guys speak from your heart, and not try to hold things back. So, if the podcast is geared more towards adults, I get it.
I'll listen on my own; sounds like this episode is going to be a doozy!
Thank you for all the hard work you guys put into this.
one small point of feedback. I have been letting my young kids listen to this podcast with me as they come out. Has been a great way for us to bond over the Giants. Couple in grade school, one in middle school.
Unfortunately, we had to cut this one off early because of the language.
However, I totally get the frustration, and I don't want you guys to adjust the format; it's great when you guys speak from your heart, and not try to hold things back. So, if the podcast is geared more towards adults, I get it.
I'll listen on my own; sounds like this episode is going to be a doozy!
Thank you for all the hard work you guys put into this.
Gottcha.... and duly noted moving forward.
RE: RE: Here’s the thing: what does significant improvement mean to Mara??
"I actually feel like Daboll is somewhat disinterested with Jones as his starting QB."
This. Daboll wants to throw the ball downfield, get big chunks of yardage, pressure the defense. Is there a worse QB in football to try and do that with than DJ?
As Eric and John pointed out, DeVito is not an answer, but we saw last year he will throw the ball down the field. The clock on Daboll's career as an NFL coach may be ticking down now. I don't know why he is not at least trying to run the offense he keeps saying he wants to run.
He can't run that offense with Jones. If Schoen or Mara won't sign off on benching Jones, he should re-sign. If you can't stop the ship from sinking, you head to the life rafts.
I feel like the Commanders are going to beat the piss out of the Giants. Getting outclassed by a rookie qb in his second start with the prospect of having to face Myles Garrett in week 3 might be enough to relegate Jones to the bench to avoid being on the hook for an injury.
"I actually feel like Daboll is somewhat disinterested with Jones as his starting QB."
This. Daboll wants to throw the ball downfield, get big chunks of yardage, pressure the defense. Is there a worse QB in football to try and do that with than DJ?
As Eric and John pointed out, DeVito is not an answer, but we saw last year he will throw the ball down the field. The clock on Daboll's career as an NFL coach may be ticking down now. I don't know why he is not at least trying to run the offense he keeps saying he wants to run.
He can't run that offense with Jones. If Schoen or Mara won't sign off on benching Jones, he should re-sign. If you can't stop the ship from sinking, you head to the life rafts.
I kept saying it over and over, "What are we doing?"
Jones can't throw short and he won't throw long. And they have him running into the line on designed plays.
The fans don't want to see him take another snap. That's not me. It's the stadium.
Haha. Yeah, perhaps Eric should have said @ the beginning...'This is going to be R rated in terms of language. Don't have the kids listen!'
But I think he vocalized what 99.9% of us feel. We're sick & tired of this shit. We're fed up. We're beaten down. I don't want to hear excuses from the Howard Cross' & Dottinos of the world. Enough gaslighting.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Here’s the thing: what does significant improvement mean to Mara??
I have to admit I'm openly rooting for losses now. Because of they eke out a win in Washington (completely possible) the tenor of the conversation of going to change and the self-delusion will return.
I said the same thing about the dangers of actually winning in Washington with Daniel. That's why I want him benched now. There's no upside to playing Daniel at this point. None.
Either blow them out, or lose. Squeaking out an ugly win would be like our beating NE a year ago --no reason to feel good about it, and it costs the franchise.
I doubt that though, I think we go after the QB in the draft in RD 1.
Didn't we just spend the whole offseason saying you don't draft a QB just to draft a QB?
If they're in the exact same draft position they were just in, are they supposed to take QB4 over WR1?
I hear ya BUT we have WR 1 now, we have OT 1, quite frankly I think we gambled this year and lost. I think the love for Maye was real but the Pats weren't ever going to budge. I think the Giants (and I think Dottino hinted at this which may mean it was more true than I first thought)_ that bringing in a lower QB prospect (over the more widely regarded WR) in a year that Jones is playing no matter what would invite huge boo birds and calls for the "rookie, the unknown". If that is truly why we did what we did then yes, this group is effed and they are planning, playing and coaching scared..
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We recorded this last night and then I put it together to post- finished around 12:30 this morning.
After all off season, Hard Knocks, the draft, Eric and I deciding to get the band back together and then putting these videos together- it was such a air out of the balloon moment last Sunday. I try not to be full doom and gloom but it is getting harder and harder not to head that way.
We went long on this last night and honestly we could have gone longer easily. The frustration of the last 13 years is just overwhelming as a fan.. As Eric said, his kids and my kids have never seen this team win with any consistency and not during their more "aware" years for sure..
We recorded this last night and then I put it together to post- finished around 12:30 this morning.
After all off season, Hard Knocks, the draft, Eric and I deciding to get the band back together and then putting these videos together- it was such a air out of the balloon moment last Sunday. I try not to be full doom and gloom but it is getting harder and harder not to head that way.
We went long on this last night and honestly we could have gone longer easily. The frustration of the last 13 years is just overwhelming as a fan.. As Eric said, his kids and my kids have never seen this team win with any consistency and not during their more "aware" years for sure..
I'm proofing Sy's game review now... He used the same Chuck Knoblauch analogy you did.
Quote:
We broke the 500 subscriber mark so we will be giving away a mini NY Giants helmet (or another team of the winners choice).
We recorded this last night and then I put it together to post- finished around 12:30 this morning.
After all off season, Hard Knocks, the draft, Eric and I deciding to get the band back together and then putting these videos together- it was such a air out of the balloon moment last Sunday. I try not to be full doom and gloom but it is getting harder and harder not to head that way.
We went long on this last night and honestly we could have gone longer easily. The frustration of the last 13 years is just overwhelming as a fan.. As Eric said, his kids and my kids have never seen this team win with any consistency and not during their more "aware" years for sure..
I'm proofing Sy's game review now... He used the same Chuck Knoblauch analogy you did.
Nice!! Woot woot..
We recorded this last night and then I put it together to post- finished around 12:30 this morning.
After all off season, Hard Knocks, the draft, Eric and I deciding to get the band back together and then putting these videos together- it was such a air out of the balloon moment last Sunday. I try not to be full doom and gloom but it is getting harder and harder not to head that way.
We went long on this last night and honestly we could have gone longer easily. The frustration of the last 13 years is just overwhelming as a fan.. As Eric said, his kids and my kids have never seen this team win with any consistency and not during their more "aware" years for sure..
Some years we get the entertainment from what happens on the field.
Some years we get the entertainment from what happens off the field.
Just trying to help center you.
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31. New York Giants
"It's hard to feel good about anything with the Giants after that opener. General manager Joe Schoen, head coach Brian Daboll and quarterback Daniel Jones should all be worried. Also, a defense that allowed Sam Darnold to torch it might be a real problem all season."
IMO, something is just not adding up with this Giants team. It's one thing to get blown out by a Super Bowl contender, but Minnesota? The Giants may not have the greatest personnel, but they played below their talent this past Sunday. Football is such an emotional/momentum sport and the Giants looked stiff and slow right out of the gate. Are the players wondering why Joe Schoen kept Daniel Jones and let Saquon Barkley walk? Have the players tuned out Brian Daboll? Had the team lost faith in their signal-caller before the season even started? Did the players watch Hard Knocks and decide that Joe Schoen is an A-hole? What f-ing gives with this team???
I don't know why we go so long on these. It doesn't feel like it. And I get pretty animated again throughout this, like my predictions near the end.
I get we are going for a full housecleaning and I'm good with that, but I think you substantially underrated the role of Mara in all of this, particularly the Jones part. Now, Schoen may love Jones. But he may not. I don't think he had any choice in the matter because of Mara. I'm still fine with firing him, but a lot of this stuff goes straight to the top. And Schoen has done a pretty bad job with the non-QB stuff too.
This is more speculative, but Daboll to me looks like a beaten man whose career is shackled to a bum that he didn't choose. BD may or may not be a good coach but I don't think he's a moron. He sees the Jones stuff. And admittedly this is armchair analysis, but he looks like he knows it's over because of choices beyond his control.
How far our beloved Giants have fallen.
This team isn't going to go 2-15. The important thing is going to be to remember how we all feel right now if they win some meaningless games to cobble together a 7-10 record.
Because I promise you if that happens Jones will be the quarterback again next year, and Schoen and Daboll will be back.
And I 100% agree with this fan base tuning out. I’m not even sure I’m going to watch the WFT game this Sunday if other plans come up. The Giants don’t deserve 3 hours of my attention, especially if the weather is nice.
I hate Daboll’s country club training camps. Team is unprepared to play football.
Joint practice with Jets was a waste of time with no intensity. A joke!!!
I actually feel like Daboll is somewhat disinterested with Jones as his starting QB.
He should have been more demanding about getting his QB pre draft.
This team isn't going to go 2-15. The important thing is going to be to remember how we all feel right now if they win some meaningless games to cobble together a 7-10 record.
Because I promise you if that happens Jones will be the quarterback again next year, and Schoen and Daboll will be back.
See I will disagree with that last part only because I felt (said already) that i think Schoen and Daboll are moving off Jones at the end of this year regardless. Now, your counter argument would be if that is true why bother with him at all now.
I am beginning to think they knew their cap pieces would be tight and that explains the juggling now without touching Jones's money. I know Eric got all heated when I brought this but my point was if the Giants touched Jones's money that would be the easiest way to get a LOT of space BUT that would mean he is staying longer. The Giants have not touched Jones's money and in fact have gone back to AT and DL multiple times to make some cap space. The idea clearly is to make sure his money can be cleared up this off season..
The negative to looking for a QB is quite frankly there will be at least 6 and possibly up to 10 teams legitimately looking for a QB (stopgap or long term) this upcoming off season. The Giants I think will go long term over stopgap but it all depends on the wins this year. If they cobble together 7-9 wins then maybe a VET for a year or two with a lower round QB pick is the way to go. I doubt that though, I think we go after the QB in the draft in RD 1.
I only did the insert of the BBI poster of the week once because the file was so big it was taking forever to load. That one took 1:15 minutes to load after IO added the intro and the one BBI poster of the week graphic.
Will be easier on shorter vids (an hour or so).
This team isn't going to go 2-15. The important thing is going to be to remember how we all feel right now if they win some meaningless games to cobble together a 7-10 record.
Because I promise you if that happens Jones will be the quarterback again next year, and Schoen and Daboll will be back.
You can get to 7-10 and save about $35M.
This. Daboll wants to throw the ball downfield, get big chunks of yardage, pressure the defense. Is there a worse QB in football to try and do that with than DJ?
Unfortunately, we had to cut this one off early because of the language.
However, I totally get the frustration, and I don't want you guys to adjust the format; it's great when you guys speak from your heart, and not try to hold things back. So, if the podcast is geared more towards adults, I get it.
I'll listen on my own; sounds like this episode is going to be a doozy!
Thank you for all the hard work you guys put into this.
This was tremendous Eric. Laughed throughout the discussion.
Keep it up!
Unfortunately, we had to cut this one off early because of the language.
However, I totally get the frustration, and I don't want you guys to adjust the format; it's great when you guys speak from your heart, and not try to hold things back. So, if the podcast is geared more towards adults, I get it.
I'll listen on my own; sounds like this episode is going to be a doozy!
Thank you for all the hard work you guys put into this.
Gottcha.... and duly noted moving forward.
This. Daboll wants to throw the ball downfield, get big chunks of yardage, pressure the defense. Is there a worse QB in football to try and do that with than DJ?
As Eric and John pointed out, DeVito is not an answer, but we saw last year he will throw the ball down the field. The clock on Daboll's career as an NFL coach may be ticking down now. I don't know why he is not at least trying to run the offense he keeps saying he wants to run.
He can't run that offense with Jones. If Schoen or Mara won't sign off on benching Jones, he should re-sign. If you can't stop the ship from sinking, you head to the life rafts.
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Real honest and not holding back.
I don't know why we go so long on these. It doesn't feel like it. And I get pretty animated again throughout this, like my predictions near the end.
Didn't we just spend the whole offseason saying you don't draft a QB just to draft a QB?
If they're in the exact same draft position they were just in, are they supposed to take QB4 over WR1?
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"I actually feel like Daboll is somewhat disinterested with Jones as his starting QB."
This. Daboll wants to throw the ball downfield, get big chunks of yardage, pressure the defense. Is there a worse QB in football to try and do that with than DJ?
As Eric and John pointed out, DeVito is not an answer, but we saw last year he will throw the ball down the field. The clock on Daboll's career as an NFL coach may be ticking down now. I don't know why he is not at least trying to run the offense he keeps saying he wants to run.
He can't run that offense with Jones. If Schoen or Mara won't sign off on benching Jones, he should re-sign. If you can't stop the ship from sinking, you head to the life rafts.
I kept saying it over and over, "What are we doing?"
Jones can't throw short and he won't throw long. And they have him running into the line on designed plays.
The fans don't want to see him take another snap. That's not me. It's the stadium.
What are we doing?
But I think he vocalized what 99.9% of us feel. We're sick & tired of this shit. We're fed up. We're beaten down. I don't want to hear excuses from the Howard Cross' & Dottinos of the world. Enough gaslighting.
What are we doing?
I've been asking this question for years.
I have to admit I'm openly rooting for losses now. Because of they eke out a win in Washington (completely possible) the tenor of the conversation of going to change and the self-delusion will return.
Lol...I remember when I had to call the poster named Titlehead Breastlehead!
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I doubt that though, I think we go after the QB in the draft in RD 1.
Didn't we just spend the whole offseason saying you don't draft a QB just to draft a QB?
If they're in the exact same draft position they were just in, are they supposed to take QB4 over WR1?
I hear ya BUT we have WR 1 now, we have OT 1, quite frankly I think we gambled this year and lost. I think the love for Maye was real but the Pats weren't ever going to budge. I think the Giants (and I think Dottino hinted at this which may mean it was more true than I first thought)_ that bringing in a lower QB prospect (over the more widely regarded WR) in a year that Jones is playing no matter what would invite huge boo birds and calls for the "rookie, the unknown". If that is truly why we did what we did then yes, this group is effed and they are planning, playing and coaching scared..