Spot on in both content and emotion. Thank you Eric for quickly pivoting this program from a cheerleading paradigm to a Nightline vigil. Love your passionate energy and empathic frustration for all of us in complete disgust with this franchise.
I said the same thing about the dangers of actually winning in Washington with Daniel. That's why I want him benched now. There's no upside to playing Daniel at this point. None.
Agreed. There is only downside. (He might get hurt, which could trigger his $23M injury guarantee.)
I said the same thing about the dangers of actually winning in Washington with Daniel. That's why I want him benched now. There's no upside to playing Daniel at this point. None.
I'm with you, I would bench him right now. Let Lock get his feet wet vs a weak Wash D. At least Lock will be trying those passes when the receivers are open, rather than pumping until the defender shows up
I doubt that though, I think we go after the QB in the draft in RD 1.
Didn't we just spend the whole offseason saying you don't draft a QB just to draft a QB?
If they're in the exact same draft position they were just in, are they supposed to take QB4 over WR1?
I hear ya BUT we have WR 1 now, we have OT 1, quite frankly I think we gambled this year and lost. I think the love for Maye was real but the Pats weren't ever going to budge. I think the Giants (and I think Dottino hinted at this which may mean it was more true than I first thought)_ that bringing in a lower QB prospect (over the more widely regarded WR) in a year that Jones is playing no matter what would invite huge boo birds and calls for the "rookie, the unknown". If that is truly why we did what we did then yes, this group is effed and they are planning, playing and coaching scared..
Colin said the same thing when you interviewed him - that bringing in a better QB than Lock was undesirable for the impact it would have on Daniel.
I hope Daniel plays all 17 games, and I hope he plays them all like he did against Minnesota. It's what they deserve.
all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
I doubt that though, I think we go after the QB in the draft in RD 1.
Didn't we just spend the whole offseason saying you don't draft a QB just to draft a QB?
If they're in the exact same draft position they were just in, are they supposed to take QB4 over WR1?
I hear ya BUT we have WR 1 now, we have OT 1, quite frankly I think we gambled this year and lost. I think the love for Maye was real but the Pats weren't ever going to budge. I think the Giants (and I think Dottino hinted at this which may mean it was more true than I first thought)_ that bringing in a lower QB prospect (over the more widely regarded WR) in a year that Jones is playing no matter what would invite huge boo birds and calls for the "rookie, the unknown". If that is truly why we did what we did then yes, this group is effed and they are planning, playing and coaching scared..
Colin said the same thing when you interviewed him - that bringing in a better QB than Lock was undesirable for the impact it would have on Daniel.
I hope Daniel plays all 17 games, and I hope he plays them all like he did against Minnesota. It's what they deserve.
The funny thing is that for years, one of the things the DJFC has shouted from the rooftops is that Jones is built for NY. Unlike all of the other mentally weak pussies that play QB in the NFL, Jones can take he heat that comes with playing in NY. How many times did people compare him to Eli because "he can handle NY".
Well what happened to that? If he is so built for NY, is so mentally tough, why has the entire organization been terrified to even slightly challenge him? If he can handle NY, unlike all of these other QBs, why would they be so worried about the idea that he might have to compete for and win the job (so much so that the team and Lock had to publicly declare that Jones was the unquestioned starter)?
RE: Yahoo Sports Power Rankings After Week 1 Have the Giants at #31,
31. New York Giants
"It's hard to feel good about anything with the Giants after that opener. General manager Joe Schoen, head coach Brian Daboll and quarterback Daniel Jones should all be worried. Also, a defense that allowed Sam Darnold to torch it might be a real problem all season."
IMO, something is just not adding up with this Giants team. It's one thing to get blown out by a Super Bowl contender, but Minnesota? The Giants may not have the greatest personnel, but they played below their talent this past Sunday. Football is such an emotional/momentum sport and the Giants looked stiff and slow right out of the gate. Are the players wondering why Joe Schoen kept Daniel Jones and let Saquon Barkley walk? Have the players tuned out Brian Daboll? Had the team lost faith in their signal-caller before the season even started? Did the players watch Hard Knocks and decide that Joe Schoen is an A-hole? What f-ing gives with this team???
The level of frustration in that podcast equals mine....a fan since 1966 who has lived through the good and bad times equally. This is like the fumble. How are the fans and the players supposed to trust who Mara hires?
McAdoo, Shurmur, Gettleman, Schoen, Daboll, the list goes on. These are clearly people not able to do the job they represented themselves as being able to do.
It is clear from watching other teams wheel and deal, make their teams stronger, work the cap, celebrate their fans and put a team out there that gives hope and optimism; we are in the desert without shade, water or any mode of transportation.
So when I hear your frustration, Eric....That is all our frustration right now!
And for Daboll to say that Jones is starting again....against one of the many QB's that were slated to be first round picks; this will only further drive our desperation and confirm this organization is the worst in organized sports.
that Eric actually evoked the "He Who Should Not Be Named" former HC.
Here's a ridiculous thought, did the play calling suck, because Daboll has been told to give DJ a chance, and he knows that the DJ situation is beyond repair? Give him a vanilla playbook, because you know he's going to suck?
Hopefully the Jones experiment ends during the next game (not due to injury please), and we see the play calling improve.
all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
Completely on board with that approach. I do like the idea of taking one QB in the first round and a developmental guy later in the 5th or 6th round. Make a statement that the guy who plays the best will start.
Playing QB for the Giants should become a right that is earned, not a crown that is bestowed.
all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
Completely on board with that approach. I do like the idea of taking one QB in the first round and a developmental guy later in the 5th or 6th round. Make a statement that the guy who plays the best will start.
Playing QB for the Giants should become a right that is earned, not a crown that is bestowed.
The big fear is that the next QB will get the same long leash. Even if they move on from Jones, the fundamental problem remains.
I said the same thing about the dangers of actually winning in Washington with Daniel. That's why I want him benched now. There's no upside to playing Daniel at this point. None.
So if you see it, why can't an NFL head coach see it?
It's a problem - I hope I am wrong because I don't think Daboll is performing right now.
Gameday has his imprint all over it, from playcalling to who is actually playing.
all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
Exactly, there are other options besides drafting a QB in the first round and starting him if he isn't ready. Draft 1, hell draft 2 that you think have potential. Sign a vet and start him until someone else is ready. That is what I hoped they would do last year.
Couldn't be much worse than the garbage we are seeing now and at least it might be some hope for the future.
I do have one piece of advice. Eric, you keep talking over and interrupting John. There were a few points he couldn't finish that were interesting. I get it... You were obviously fired up for this one, but just letting you know in case you're looking for constructive feedback.
Smart analysis, but in a fan friendly/empathetic delivery.
I’m no podcast expert, but my only bit of technical feedback would be to try to talk over each other a little less
Yeah, this one was more "emotion" filled, which makes it a little harder to be the conductor. We have it so we both have points and subjects we want etc but I am the conductor, lead in, lead out etc. but last night was a bit more fire driven so that did make it harder for both of us. I will keep that in mind for the next video.
I do have one piece of advice. Eric, you keep talking over and interrupting John. There were a few points he couldn't finish that were interesting. I get it... You were obviously fired up for this one, but just letting you know in case you're looking for constructive feedback.
but I 100% disagree with the idea tat anyone other than John Mara is why Jones is still starting. That is not to absolve Schoen for not bringing in a better backup, but EVERYTHING that has happened with the QB position reeks of Mara.
I don't necessarily have an issue with going into the season with Jones as the starter, but even if you think he could be a competent QB, the very fact of his injury history should have precluded bringing in more talent. Then on top of that, the entire dog and pony show to make Lock go up to assure everyone (reassuring one person really) that Jones was the starter. Does anyone think Schoen or Daboll really cared? Or did Mara get his panties in a twist that people may think Jones isn't the starter.
I think Schoen could have convinced Mara that a trade-up to get Maye would still have allowed Jones to be the starter. But the decision not to bring in a decent backup QB is a fireable offense, and that is 100% on Schoen. How you decide to put ALL of your eggs in the Jones basket, if only for his injury history, was utterly foolish.
I have to admit I'm openly rooting for losses now. Because of they eke out a win in Washington (completely possible) the tenor of the conversation of going to change and the self-delusion will return.
This team has not only been terrible, but also terrible at sucking. We always manage to win some shit meaningless games and lost out on top QB slots in the draft. The best thing for us right now is to go full rock bottom.
the idea that if Mara really was the one not allowing a QB change, then Schoen or Daboll should call him out. That simply is not going to happen. Eric is correct when he says that none of McAdoo/Shurmur/Judge got HC jobs again, but you know what each of them got? Coordinator jobs.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
the idea that if Mara really was the one not allowing a QB change, then Schoen or Daboll should call him out. That simply is not going to happen. Eric is correct when he says that none of McAdoo/Shurmur/Judge got HC jobs again, but you know what each of them got? Coordinator jobs.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
Guys that the Giants fire have a habit of dropping off the face of the earth. I wonder if ownership is somehow making it hard for these guys to get jobs. We see people get fired and rehired elsewhere all the time.
Guys that the Giants fire have a habit of dropping off the face of the earth. I wonder if ownership is somehow making it hard for these guys to get jobs. We see people get fired and rehired elsewhere all the time.
Shurmur and Judge got coordinator jobs almost immediately, that McAdoo didn’t makes me wonder if the Mara’s bad-mouthed him for having the temerity to bench Eli?
It's really sad, as a fan, that getting two or three first downs on a drive and then punting the ball feels like a victory. Crossing midfield feels like an accomplishment. How pathetic. Ownership has destroyed the fan base, myself included.
the idea that if Mara really was the one not allowing a QB change, then Schoen or Daboll should call him out. That simply is not going to happen. Eric is correct when he says that none of McAdoo/Shurmur/Judge got HC jobs again, but you know what each of them got? Coordinator jobs.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
You're correct.
I don't agree with this. The defensive coordinator that just embarrassed our offense is Brian Flores. The same Brian Flores who is currently suing multiple NFL teams for racism. The same Brian Flores who aired the dirty laundry of Stephen Ross compelling him to tank. If that guy can still get a defensive coordinator position, I don't see why Daboll would be blackballed from the league for calling out Mara's love of Jones
the idea that if Mara really was the one not allowing a QB change, then Schoen or Daboll should call him out. That simply is not going to happen. Eric is correct when he says that none of McAdoo/Shurmur/Judge got HC jobs again, but you know what each of them got? Coordinator jobs.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
You're correct.
I don't agree with this. The defensive coordinator that just embarrassed our offense is Brian Flores. The same Brian Flores who is currently suing multiple NFL teams for racism. The same Brian Flores who aired the dirty laundry of Stephen Ross compelling him to tank. If that guy can still get a defensive coordinator position, I don't see why Daboll would be blackballed from the league for calling out Mara's love of Jones
Because if he doesn’t get hired, the NFL is making his argument for him.
One point of the Inside BBI discussion that I disagree with re DJ
is the view that DJ is now broken. He may be mentally broken now but he was never a good, instinctive player. His propensity to throw swing passes into the ground and hesitate on throwing the ball was evident in his VERY FIRST START.
In that first NFL start, he had an open RB in the flat and just did not pull the trigger on the throw until it was too late and the RB got stuffed. It was a throw that thousands of kids make on a playground everyday. That is a microcosm of his ability. Zero instinctiveness. The evidence was there in game one and his instincts as a QB have not moved one fucking fraction of a millimeter since them.
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the idea that if Mara really was the one not allowing a QB change, then Schoen or Daboll should call him out. That simply is not going to happen. Eric is correct when he says that none of McAdoo/Shurmur/Judge got HC jobs again, but you know what each of them got? Coordinator jobs.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
You're correct.
I don't agree with this. The defensive coordinator that just embarrassed our offense is Brian Flores. The same Brian Flores who is currently suing multiple NFL teams for racism. The same Brian Flores who aired the dirty laundry of Stephen Ross compelling him to tank. If that guy can still get a defensive coordinator position, I don't see why Daboll would be blackballed from the league for calling out Mara's love of Jones
Because if he doesn’t get hired, the NFL is making his argument for him.
Yeah, but the NFL didn't hire him, the Vikings did. I don't think Kevin O'Connell (a first time head coach who, like all coaches, is coaching for his job) hired someone just to help out the NFL not look racist
In hindsight, I think that was cheaper than signing Lock...?
The Steelers are paying their QBs $6M total.
That's why I can't stand the argument that Schoen couldn't do anything at the position.
3 goddamn offseasons and he's done nothing.
Looks like Pittsburgh is on the hook for $3.2M for Fields's 2024 salary. Wilson for $1.2M, btw. Combined, that's less than Lock.
I've never bought the argument, either, that Schoen was too hamstrung by the Jones contract to move him this year. A bigger cap hit with a better QB didn't stop a better HC, Sean Payton, from cutting Russell Wilson.
It's interesting listening to these guys mentioning flaws in Jones's games that many of us have been hammering for five years.
ability to throw into tight 'windows' and having success with it in his rookie season or am I imagining that? I think between that and his mobility It was what kept me believing he could be an average to above average QB. Once he went down with the injury last year I was done with him. Then he played against vegas looked like crap and got injured. I was angry. Now it has to be to the point where the Giants are planning for a QB. I don't think they are 'tanking' but they will move on end of year. They'd have to win 16 games and DJ look like Mahomes and even then, move on. He's an injury waiting to happen. Hes a turnover waiting to happen. Fans are hating on him and tuning out the Giants. I actually watch a Jets game last night and enjoyed it. Ridiculous.
When Costanza is referenced more than once in a pod,
Agreed. There is only downside. (He might get hurt, which could trigger his $23M injury guarantee.)
We're a passionate and fed-up fan base. Don't change a damn thing, Eric.
I'm with you, I would bench him right now. Let Lock get his feet wet vs a weak Wash D. At least Lock will be trying those passes when the receivers are open, rather than pumping until the defender shows up
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I doubt that though, I think we go after the QB in the draft in RD 1.
Didn't we just spend the whole offseason saying you don't draft a QB just to draft a QB?
If they're in the exact same draft position they were just in, are they supposed to take QB4 over WR1?
I hear ya BUT we have WR 1 now, we have OT 1, quite frankly I think we gambled this year and lost. I think the love for Maye was real but the Pats weren't ever going to budge. I think the Giants (and I think Dottino hinted at this which may mean it was more true than I first thought)_ that bringing in a lower QB prospect (over the more widely regarded WR) in a year that Jones is playing no matter what would invite huge boo birds and calls for the "rookie, the unknown". If that is truly why we did what we did then yes, this group is effed and they are planning, playing and coaching scared..
Colin said the same thing when you interviewed him - that bringing in a better QB than Lock was undesirable for the impact it would have on Daniel.
I hope Daniel plays all 17 games, and I hope he plays them all like he did against Minnesota. It's what they deserve.
Actually, a number of Native American tribes said it didn’t bother them at all.
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
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I doubt that though, I think we go after the QB in the draft in RD 1.
Didn't we just spend the whole offseason saying you don't draft a QB just to draft a QB?
If they're in the exact same draft position they were just in, are they supposed to take QB4 over WR1?
I hear ya BUT we have WR 1 now, we have OT 1, quite frankly I think we gambled this year and lost. I think the love for Maye was real but the Pats weren't ever going to budge. I think the Giants (and I think Dottino hinted at this which may mean it was more true than I first thought)_ that bringing in a lower QB prospect (over the more widely regarded WR) in a year that Jones is playing no matter what would invite huge boo birds and calls for the "rookie, the unknown". If that is truly why we did what we did then yes, this group is effed and they are planning, playing and coaching scared..
Colin said the same thing when you interviewed him - that bringing in a better QB than Lock was undesirable for the impact it would have on Daniel.
I hope Daniel plays all 17 games, and I hope he plays them all like he did against Minnesota. It's what they deserve.
The funny thing is that for years, one of the things the DJFC has shouted from the rooftops is that Jones is built for NY. Unlike all of the other mentally weak pussies that play QB in the NFL, Jones can take he heat that comes with playing in NY. How many times did people compare him to Eli because "he can handle NY".
Well what happened to that? If he is so built for NY, is so mentally tough, why has the entire organization been terrified to even slightly challenge him? If he can handle NY, unlike all of these other QBs, why would they be so worried about the idea that he might have to compete for and win the job (so much so that the team and Lock had to publicly declare that Jones was the unquestioned starter)?
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"It's hard to feel good about anything with the Giants after that opener. General manager Joe Schoen, head coach Brian Daboll and quarterback Daniel Jones should all be worried. Also, a defense that allowed Sam Darnold to torch it might be a real problem all season."
IMO, something is just not adding up with this Giants team. It's one thing to get blown out by a Super Bowl contender, but Minnesota? The Giants may not have the greatest personnel, but they played below their talent this past Sunday. Football is such an emotional/momentum sport and the Giants looked stiff and slow right out of the gate. Are the players wondering why Joe Schoen kept Daniel Jones and let Saquon Barkley walk? Have the players tuned out Brian Daboll? Had the team lost faith in their signal-caller before the season even started? Did the players watch Hard Knocks and decide that Joe Schoen is an A-hole? What f-ing gives with this team???
McAdoo, Shurmur, Gettleman, Schoen, Daboll, the list goes on. These are clearly people not able to do the job they represented themselves as being able to do.
It is clear from watching other teams wheel and deal, make their teams stronger, work the cap, celebrate their fans and put a team out there that gives hope and optimism; we are in the desert without shade, water or any mode of transportation.
So when I hear your frustration, Eric....That is all our frustration right now!
And for Daboll to say that Jones is starting again....against one of the many QB's that were slated to be first round picks; this will only further drive our desperation and confirm this organization is the worst in organized sports.
Hey, I gave you and two others "BBI Post of the Week" honors.
Here's a ridiculous thought, did the play calling suck, because Daboll has been told to give DJ a chance, and he knows that the DJ situation is beyond repair? Give him a vanilla playbook, because you know he's going to suck?
Hopefully the Jones experiment ends during the next game (not due to injury please), and we see the play calling improve.
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all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
Completely on board with that approach. I do like the idea of taking one QB in the first round and a developmental guy later in the 5th or 6th round. Make a statement that the guy who plays the best will start.
Playing QB for the Giants should become a right that is earned, not a crown that is bestowed.
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all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
Completely on board with that approach. I do like the idea of taking one QB in the first round and a developmental guy later in the 5th or 6th round. Make a statement that the guy who plays the best will start.
Playing QB for the Giants should become a right that is earned, not a crown that is bestowed.
The big fear is that the next QB will get the same long leash. Even if they move on from Jones, the fundamental problem remains.
So if you see it, why can't an NFL head coach see it?
It's a problem - I hope I am wrong because I don't think Daboll is performing right now.
Gameday has his imprint all over it, from playcalling to who is actually playing.
I’m no podcast expert, but my only bit of technical feedback would be to try to talk over each other a little less
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all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?
The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!
This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."
If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.
Exactly, there are other options besides drafting a QB in the first round and starting him if he isn't ready. Draft 1, hell draft 2 that you think have potential. Sign a vet and start him until someone else is ready. That is what I hoped they would do last year.
Couldn't be much worse than the garbage we are seeing now and at least it might be some hope for the future.
I do have one piece of advice. Eric, you keep talking over and interrupting John. There were a few points he couldn't finish that were interesting. I get it... You were obviously fired up for this one, but just letting you know in case you're looking for constructive feedback.
I’m no podcast expert, but my only bit of technical feedback would be to try to talk over each other a little less
Yeah, this one was more "emotion" filled, which makes it a little harder to be the conductor. We have it so we both have points and subjects we want etc but I am the conductor, lead in, lead out etc. but last night was a bit more fire driven so that did make it harder for both of us. I will keep that in mind for the next video.
I’m no podcast expert, but my only bit of technical feedback would be to try to talk over each other a little less
That's on me. I don't think I normally do it, but it was non-stop by me in this episode.
I do have one piece of advice. Eric, you keep talking over and interrupting John. There were a few points he couldn't finish that were interesting. I get it... You were obviously fired up for this one, but just letting you know in case you're looking for constructive feedback.
Agreed.
Agree with jvm that this opener was much worse than last year.
You two have a nice chemistry with each other imv. Keep up the good work.
I don't necessarily have an issue with going into the season with Jones as the starter, but even if you think he could be a competent QB, the very fact of his injury history should have precluded bringing in more talent. Then on top of that, the entire dog and pony show to make Lock go up to assure everyone (reassuring one person really) that Jones was the starter. Does anyone think Schoen or Daboll really cared? Or did Mara get his panties in a twist that people may think Jones isn't the starter.
I think Schoen could have convinced Mara that a trade-up to get Maye would still have allowed Jones to be the starter. But the decision not to bring in a decent backup QB is a fireable offense, and that is 100% on Schoen. How you decide to put ALL of your eggs in the Jones basket, if only for his injury history, was utterly foolish.
everyone knew/knows what is coming... it is just a matter of time.
whether it is enough to save Schoens/Daboll's job is TBD.
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What are we doing?
I've been asking this question for years.
I have to admit I'm openly rooting for losses now. Because of they eke out a win in Washington (completely possible) the tenor of the conversation of going to change and the self-delusion will return.
This team has not only been terrible, but also terrible at sucking. We always manage to win some shit meaningless games and lost out on top QB slots in the draft. The best thing for us right now is to go full rock bottom.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
You're correct.
Shurmur and Judge got coordinator jobs almost immediately, that McAdoo didn’t makes me wonder if the Mara’s bad-mouthed him for having the temerity to bench Eli?
It's really sad, as a fan, that getting two or three first downs on a drive and then punting the ball feels like a victory. Crossing midfield feels like an accomplishment. How pathetic. Ownership has destroyed the fan base, myself included.
In hindsight, I think that was cheaper than signing Lock...?
I agree 100%. That's why the playcalling sucked so bad imo.
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the idea that if Mara really was the one not allowing a QB change, then Schoen or Daboll should call him out. That simply is not going to happen. Eric is correct when he says that none of McAdoo/Shurmur/Judge got HC jobs again, but you know what each of them got? Coordinator jobs.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
You're correct.
I don't agree with this. The defensive coordinator that just embarrassed our offense is Brian Flores. The same Brian Flores who is currently suing multiple NFL teams for racism. The same Brian Flores who aired the dirty laundry of Stephen Ross compelling him to tank. If that guy can still get a defensive coordinator position, I don't see why Daboll would be blackballed from the league for calling out Mara's love of Jones
In hindsight, I think that was cheaper than signing Lock...?
The Steelers are paying their QBs $6M total.
That's why I can't stand the argument that Schoen couldn't do anything at the position.
3 goddamn offseasons and he's done nothing.
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the idea that if Mara really was the one not allowing a QB change, then Schoen or Daboll should call him out. That simply is not going to happen. Eric is correct when he says that none of McAdoo/Shurmur/Judge got HC jobs again, but you know what each of them got? Coordinator jobs.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
You're correct.
I don't agree with this. The defensive coordinator that just embarrassed our offense is Brian Flores. The same Brian Flores who is currently suing multiple NFL teams for racism. The same Brian Flores who aired the dirty laundry of Stephen Ross compelling him to tank. If that guy can still get a defensive coordinator position, I don't see why Daboll would be blackballed from the league for calling out Mara's love of Jones
Because if he doesn’t get hired, the NFL is making his argument for him.
In that first NFL start, he had an open RB in the flat and just did not pull the trigger on the throw until it was too late and the RB got stuffed. It was a throw that thousands of kids make on a playground everyday. That is a microcosm of his ability. Zero instinctiveness. The evidence was there in game one and his instincts as a QB have not moved one fucking fraction of a millimeter since them.
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the idea that if Mara really was the one not allowing a QB change, then Schoen or Daboll should call him out. That simply is not going to happen. Eric is correct when he says that none of McAdoo/Shurmur/Judge got HC jobs again, but you know what each of them got? Coordinator jobs.
If Daboll went public, he wouldn’t get hired as a ball boy. Now, he’s made plenty of money, he doesn’t NEED to work again, but let’s face it, these guys love the lifestyle. The camaraderie, the access, first class travel, hell, McAdoo worked as an unpaid advisor for a year! Daboll’s not giving that up.
You're correct.
I don't agree with this. The defensive coordinator that just embarrassed our offense is Brian Flores. The same Brian Flores who is currently suing multiple NFL teams for racism. The same Brian Flores who aired the dirty laundry of Stephen Ross compelling him to tank. If that guy can still get a defensive coordinator position, I don't see why Daboll would be blackballed from the league for calling out Mara's love of Jones
Because if he doesn’t get hired, the NFL is making his argument for him.
Yeah, but the NFL didn't hire him, the Vikings did. I don't think Kevin O'Connell (a first time head coach who, like all coaches, is coaching for his job) hired someone just to help out the NFL not look racist
But at some point, Schoen and Daboll have to own this mess.
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for a conditional 6th round pick.
In hindsight, I think that was cheaper than signing Lock...?
The Steelers are paying their QBs $6M total.
That's why I can't stand the argument that Schoen couldn't do anything at the position.
3 goddamn offseasons and he's done nothing.
Looks like Pittsburgh is on the hook for $3.2M for Fields's 2024 salary. Wilson for $1.2M, btw. Combined, that's less than Lock.
I've never bought the argument, either, that Schoen was too hamstrung by the Jones contract to move him this year. A bigger cap hit with a better QB didn't stop a better HC, Sean Payton, from cutting Russell Wilson.
It's interesting listening to these guys mentioning flaws in Jones's games that many of us have been hammering for five years.