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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/10/2024 7:01 am
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Eric's rant at the 55-minute mark...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2024 6:06 pm : link
is good. Ideally, the fans would apply the pressure with an economic boycott and stop subjecting themselves to this horrible product.

Unfortunately, it's easier than ever for fans to sell tickets to other teams' fans, and profit off that exchange. That's not ideal for ownership, but as long as someone is buying parking, food, drinks, etc, that still goes to the top and bottom lines for ownership.



RE: bw in dc  
AcidTest : 9/10/2024 6:10 pm : link
In comment 16604793 Eric from BBI said:
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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.


I always thought Mara was the driving force behind the Jones contract, although I am not sure that this one comment will convince me otherwise. But if that is true, the absent a miraculous turnaround, Schoen and Daboll should both be fired at the end of the season. The Jones contract is much worse than the contracts that DG gave to Golladay and Solder. And it will get even worse if Jones is injured and the Giants have to pay his $23M injury guarantee.

BTW...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2024 6:27 pm : link
the discussion at the 1:17 minute mark about the Van Ginkel INT is not coaching, IMV.

The QB is responsible for reading the defense and snuffing out potentially bad plays before they occur. If you guys could see that the play had catastrophe written all over it, then why the hell didn't Jones see that? And call a timeout...
RE: RE: RE: RE: I will be curious to see  
SomeFan : 9/10/2024 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16604541 Go Terps said:
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all of the fans last year saying "You can't force a QB" and what they would like to see this year. Can you force a QB this year because you didn't last year?

The QB position in not about finding John Elway or bust, and of Elway is not available you take BPA. The Giants don't have someone who can play the position on the roster and they need to fix that. If that guy plays two years an you need to get another one? You do that!

This team needs a QB who has the potential to at least play at an NFL-average level. That should be the bar, not "Franchise Savior."



If I were the GM I'd clear out the QB room, sign a vet like Darnold and draft 2 QBs.



Completely on board with that approach. I do like the idea of taking one QB in the first round and a developmental guy later in the 5th or 6th round. Make a statement that the guy who plays the best will start.

Playing QB for the Giants should become a right that is earned, not a crown that is bestowed.



The big fear is that the next QB will get the same long leash. Even if they move on from Jones, the fundamental problem remains.
This possibility is frightening.
RE: New intro is nice but WAY WAY too long  
SomeFan : 9/10/2024 6:45 pm : link
In comment 16604814 Gary from The East End said:
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Long intros are engagement killers on YouTube. If someone finds your channel, odds are they'll click away 30 seconds in.

Keep the intro at ten to fifteen seconds MAX. Put the long one at the end as an outro.
yeah, I would start each podcast shoring one or two of the key plays from the previous week's game using the radio announcers. Plays that you would go on to discuss at some point during the podcast. Of course, this is all assuming you can do this from a legal perspective.
RE: BTW...  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2024 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16604951 bw in dc said:
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the discussion at the 1:17 minute mark about the Van Ginkel INT is not coaching, IMV.

The QB is responsible for reading the defense and snuffing out potentially bad plays before they occur. If you guys could see that the play had catastrophe written all over it, then why the hell didn't Jones see that? And call a timeout...


Solid point, he had to see the disaster that was coming..
Great  
AcidTest : 9/10/2024 7:33 pm : link
show. Thanks.

I totally agree that Jones shouldn't play another down for the Giants ever again. There is no upside. The downside of course is that he could get hurt to the point where he can't pass a physical next year, which would trigger his $23M injury guarantee. He is as you say "broken" and can't be fixed.

Jones is going to start against Washington. But I still think his "leash" is short, and another two or at most three games like Minnesota will get him benched. At some point it has to happen out of fairness to the other players.
RE: Great  
BigBlueShock : 9/10/2024 8:10 pm : link
In comment 16605010 AcidTest said:
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show. Thanks.

I totally agree that Jones shouldn't play another down for the Giants ever again. There is no upside. The downside of course is that he could get hurt to the point where he can't pass a physical next year, which would trigger his $23M injury guarantee. He is as you say "broken" and can't be fixed.

Jones is going to start against Washington. But I still think his "leash" is short, and another two or at most three games like Minnesota will get him benched. At some point it has to happen out of fairness to the other players.

While I agree with you on what SHOULD happen, what about anything they’ve done makes you think they will pull the plug on the Daniel Jones experiment? I’m done thinking they are that smart. I’ll believe it when I see it
RE: RE: Great  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2024 8:28 pm : link
In comment 16605051 BigBlueShock said:
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show. Thanks.

I totally agree that Jones shouldn't play another down for the Giants ever again. There is no upside. The downside of course is that he could get hurt to the point where he can't pass a physical next year, which would trigger his $23M injury guarantee. He is as you say "broken" and can't be fixed.

Jones is going to start against Washington. But I still think his "leash" is short, and another two or at most three games like Minnesota will get him benched. At some point it has to happen out of fairness to the other players.


While I agree with you on what SHOULD happen, what about anything they’ve done makes you think they will pull the plug on the Daniel Jones experiment? I’m done thinking they are that smart. I’ll believe it when I see it


Because a mutiny will happen. The first true sign that things are heading in that direction would be for Devito to be active on game day.

Thanks  
jwb50 : 9/10/2024 8:35 pm : link
Touched a nerve with “The Fumble” Rather see team crash and burn…. with DJ only winnable games maybe DC and Panthers
So much  
darren in pdx : 9/10/2024 9:34 pm : link
of what Eric said is what I said to my fiance. This isn’t fun, I want to watch a team that is at least competitive. It’s insane to feel like the entire season is over after one drive. All I wanted from this season was to feel like things were moving in the right direction. It’s not, I’m out on Schoen and Daboll, I don’t know what will have to happen to get me back on board. Jones is absolutely broken. The team is broken. The franchise is broken. Is the way out as simple as getting a competent QB? My initial reaction to the schedule release was that this team was not better than any opponent. Two wins maybe, against Washington and Carolina. Training camp made me feel like maybe 7 wins give or take a couple was more realistic. I’m back to being surprised if they beat anyone, which unfortunately they will, and it’ll unfortunately take them out of range from drafting a QB, again. I want football to be fun again.
It's wrong what was said at the end...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2024 9:50 pm : link
Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.
RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/10/2024 10:05 pm : link
In comment 16605180 bw in dc said:
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.


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I don't know what you are referring to.
RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2024 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16605180 bw in dc said:
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.



Ok so you are saying 2 out of 32 teams do that..
RE: So much  
56goat : 9/10/2024 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16605171 darren in pdx said:
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of what Eric said is what I said to my fiance. This isn’t fun, I want to watch a team that is at least competitive. It’s insane to feel like the entire season is over after one drive. All I wanted from this season was to feel like things were moving in the right direction. It’s not, I’m out on Schoen and Daboll, I don’t know what will have to happen to get me back on board. Jones is absolutely broken. The team is broken. The franchise is broken. Is the way out as simple as getting a competent QB? My initial reaction to the schedule release was that this team was not better than any opponent. Two wins maybe, against Washington and Carolina. Training camp made me feel like maybe 7 wins give or take a couple was more realistic. I’m back to being surprised if they beat anyone, which unfortunately they will, and it’ll unfortunately take them out of range from drafting a QB, again. I want football to be fun again.


Agree, the fanbase is burned out on this garbage.
RE: RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2024 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16605187 jvm52106 said:
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.




Ok so you are saying 2 out of 32 teams do that..


It seems kind of nit picky on that one subject.
Watched / listened to the whole thing  
Chef : 9/10/2024 10:12 pm : link
good stuff.. but as previously mentioned, I would shorten the intro. He was spot on, very few people have attention spans anymore...
RE: RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2024 10:12 pm : link
In comment 16605183 Eric from BBI said:
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.



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I don't know what you are referring to.


I thought John was suggesting that every team in the NFL basically doesn't play anyone in the preseason. Which is why QB play in week 1 was so poor across the NFL (true)...
RE: RE: RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2024 10:14 pm : link
In comment 16605191 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16605180 bw in dc said:


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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.



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I don't know what you are referring to.



I thought John was suggesting that every team in the NFL basically doesn't play anyone in the preseason. Which is why QB play in week 1 was so poor across the NFL (true)...


You want me to list the teams that didn't play their starters? It will bw far more than 2 teams.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2024 10:18 pm : link
In comment 16605193 jvm52106 said:
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You want me to list the teams that didn't play their starters? It will bw far more than 2 teams.


I know the majority of the league doesn't. But it's not every team.

Every wonder why, however, the Chiefs and Steelers seems to start off most years with wins and good Septembers. Perhaps it's because they have less rust than most teams...That's my point.

On the other hand, the Rams play nobody. And McVay is more than willing to manage through that with the intent on peaking late.
BTW...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2024 10:20 pm : link
It's not a shot at you. I'm pointing out a few teams take a different approach despite the league trending differently.
The only reason to play Jones  
kelly : 9/10/2024 10:44 pm : link
Is to rub the stench of bad qb play right into the face of Mara.

This is what Daboll is doing. He knows he cannot win with the qb that was hoisted upon him.

Play him for 17 games go 0-17 and make Mara fire me. Thats what i would do.

Refuse to start anyone else at qb.
RE: If you saw the whole show  
GiantTuff1 : 9/10/2024 11:28 pm : link
In comment 16604220 Eric from BBI said:
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I said the same thing about the dangers of actually winning in Washington with Daniel. That's why I want him benched now. There's no upside to playing Daniel at this point. None.

💯

But wait you’re wrong. Like the Dumb and Dumber line it keeps alive the fantasy that maaaaybe Jones can still be the guy. “So you’re saying there’s a chance?”
RE: bw in dc  
GiantTuff1 : 9/10/2024 11:41 pm : link
In comment 16604793 Eric from BBI said:
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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.

And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?
RE: ...  
GiantTuff1 : 9/10/2024 11:43 pm : link
In comment 16604807 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Seems convenient that 'someone in the organization' is now telling people that Jones contract was all Joe/Dabs. Not saying it isn't true, but I don't know if I totally buy that. It was probably a decision made collectively by Mara/Schoen/Dabs. Now, people are going to start pointing fingers @ others for that albatross of a deal.

Possibly the Giants PR machine already in effect. They are more effective than the team as a whole.
When you suck year in and year out  
kelly : 9/11/2024 12:26 am : link
You don't have the luxury of not playing your starters in preseason.

In fact the starters should play most of the preseason because they need the practice playing together as a GD team!

Since when do lousy teams not need practice?

Another reason why we suck
RE: RE: bw in dc  
Woodstock : 9/11/2024 12:33 am : link
In comment 16605233 GiantTuff1 said:
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In comment 16604793 Eric from BBI said:


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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.


And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?


A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.

Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.
You know, George, I think that kid you slapped  
Stephen in Sofla : 9/11/2024 1:11 am : link
back in Sicily did more to win the war than any soldier in the U.S. army.
RE: RE: RE: bw in dc  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/11/2024 5:34 am : link
In comment 16605248 Woodstock said:
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In comment 16604793 Eric from BBI said:


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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.


And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?



A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.

Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.


Then Schoen isn't the right man for this job.
RE: RE: RE: bw in dc  
Section331 : 9/11/2024 12:18 pm : link
In comment 16605248 Woodstock said:
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In comment 16604793 Eric from BBI said:


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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.


And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?



A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.

Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.


Schoen definitely owns the contract, but there is absolutely some blme-shifting going on here. Let's be honest, there was absolutely no way Mara would have signed off on letting Jones walk after 2022. No. Way.

Schoen bears the brunt of responsibility, that is totally fair, but for Mara to try to pass this all off as Schoen's decision is beyond disingenuous. And we've seen this film before, things go bad, the Mara's circle the wagons and blame everyone else.

Everyone not named Mara is right now wondering about their future should there be a shakeup. The easiest and surest to keep your job is to align yourself with the Mara's and re-spin their take.
RE: RE: RE: bw in dc  
Scooter185 : 9/11/2024 12:23 pm : link
In comment 16605248 Woodstock said:
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In comment 16604793 Eric from BBI said:


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woodstock was told by someone inside the organization that Schoen and Daboll were the driving force behind Jones' contract.


And how do we know that woodstock’s source is not a Mara PR tool?



A Mara PR tool would be talking to Paul Schwartz not a nobody like me. I'm gonna try to make it as clear as I can.

Mara likes Jones and wants him to succeed as NY QB. He was obviously pro signing Daniel. Everyone knows that
So was Joe Schoen. When Joe signed him to the contract it=Joe getting his QB. Joe owns the signing of Jones not Mara. They both were on the same page. But in the end Joe made the call.


Speaking of Paul Schwartz
Daniel Jones’ stunning ineptitude has made for a massive Giants mess - ( New Window )
As predicted  
HomerJones45 : 9/11/2024 12:55 pm : link
start Jones and everyone will be complaining about the o-line again and the receivers not getting separation.

Jones has been the one common denominator. Get a NFL competent qb and watch those complaints disappear.
RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...  
shyster : 9/11/2024 12:58 pm : link
In comment 16605180 bw in dc said:
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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.


The Chiefs make a big PR deal about Mahomes playing in the pre-season, but what actually happens?


Week 1 KC: Mahomes played one possession.

Week 1 NYG: Giants don't play starters but had two days of joint practices with the Lions. The Chiefs don't do joint practices.


Week 2 KC: Mahomes played two possessions in the 1Q. For the Chiefs' next possession, with 3:13 still remaining in the 1Q, Mahomes is on the sidelines, not to return.

Week 2 NYG: Giants play starters, including Jones, the entire first half, five offensive possessions.


Week 3: Nobody plays starters. Giants have a joint practice with the Jets.


Total preseason game possessions played: Jones 5, Mahomes 3. And the Giants have three days of joint practices the Chiefs don't have.
RE: RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...  
Section331 : 9/11/2024 1:18 pm : link
In comment 16605681 shyster said:
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In comment 16605180 bw in dc said:


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Teams like the Chiefs and the Steelers play a lot of starters over multiple games in preseason.



The Chiefs make a big PR deal about Mahomes playing in the pre-season, but what actually happens?


Week 1 KC: Mahomes played one possession.

Week 1 NYG: Giants don't play starters but had two days of joint practices with the Lions. The Chiefs don't do joint practices.


Week 2 KC: Mahomes played two possessions in the 1Q. For the Chiefs' next possession, with 3:13 still remaining in the 1Q, Mahomes is on the sidelines, not to return.

Week 2 NYG: Giants play starters, including Jones, the entire first half, five offensive possessions.


Week 3: Nobody plays starters. Giants have a joint practice with the Jets.


Total preseason game possessions played: Jones 5, Mahomes 3. And the Giants have three days of joint practices the Chiefs don't have.


KC is the reigning SB champ and Mahomes is the best player in the league. The Giants won 6 games, their starter is coming off an ACL and hadn't played in 9 months.

I know that coaches love to point at joint practices as more productive than preseason, and I get why, but for QB's they aren't remotely the same. You don't get hit in joint practices, so it isn't the same game prep for QB's as it is for others.

Now if your KC with Mahomes, who cares, he doesn't need the live reps, but if your QB hasn't played in 9 months? He needs to play when real bullets are flying. That isn't happening with joint sessions.
RE: RE: RE: It's wrong what was said at the end...  
shyster : 9/11/2024 1:27 pm : link
In comment 16605714 Section331 said:
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KC is the reigning SB champ and Mahomes is the best player in the league. The Giants won 6 games, their starter is coming off an ACL and hadn't played in 9 months.

I know that coaches love to point at joint practices as more productive than preseason, and I get why, but for QB's they aren't remotely the same. You don't get hit in joint practices, so it isn't the same game prep for QB's as it is for others.

Now if your KC with Mahomes, who cares, he doesn't need the live reps, but if your QB hasn't played in 9 months? He needs to play when real bullets are flying. That isn't happening with joint sessions.


If you wish to beat that drum, you can beat it. I don't happen to agree. Daniel Jones is who he is and exposing him and other starters (who would have to be out there with him) to more risk of injury in pre-season won't change that.

The point I was responding to is the claim the Chiefs are doing something notably different. They're not.
While I was just watching the intro to the new episode...  
vonritz : 9/11/2024 1:36 pm : link
I thought it would end with a picture of the stadium or the Giants logo going up in flames. How disappointing...
RE: RE: Sounds like this is going to be a good one...  
mfsd : 9/11/2024 2:21 pm : link
In comment 16604179 Eric from BBI said:
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one small point of feedback. I have been letting my young kids listen to this podcast with me as they come out. Has been a great way for us to bond over the Giants. Couple in grade school, one in middle school.

Unfortunately, we had to cut this one off early because of the language.

However, I totally get the frustration, and I don't want you guys to adjust the format; it's great when you guys speak from your heart, and not try to hold things back. So, if the podcast is geared more towards adults, I get it.

I'll listen on my own; sounds like this episode is going to be a doozy!

Thank you for all the hard work you guys put into this.



Gottcha.... and duly noted moving forward.


Finally got to listen during some mid-day drive time today, I thought to myself it was good to hear Eric swearing so much, you were speaking for all of us!

But the point about kids listening in is a good one:)
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