Sy - given how poorly Van Roten played and how poor Runyan was in the running game, how can it make sense to keep Evan Neal on the sidelines and not at least try him at RG? We know he is a ferocious run blocker, and he might be at least as good as Van Roten in pass pro between JMS and JE. It just doesn't make any sense to have a recent top ten pick literally doing nothing for a team in such dire straits...
-Adoree’ Jackson appeared to be on a pitch count considering he was not with the team until just a couple weeks ago. The 36-yard pass interference on a 3rd-and-8 stop (which led to an eventual touchdown) was a bogus call from a traditionalist perspective, but it was another clear example of where the game is now. In my book, Jackson did everything he could there. Otherwise, his coverage was solid, and he made a quick tackle after a short third-down catch that was a nice play.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
-Adoree’ Jackson appeared to be on a pitch count considering he was not with the team until just a couple weeks ago. The 36-yard pass interference on a 3rd-and-8 stop (which led to an eventual touchdown) was a bogus call from a traditionalist perspective, but it was another clear example of where the game is now. In my book, Jackson did everything he could there. Otherwise, his coverage was solid, and he made a quick tackle after a short third-down catch that was a nice play.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
It was an awful awful call. But the league won't do shit about it. They'll say (1) did the call lead to a TD; (2) if so, what's the problem.
They knew Barkley was the better player. KT admitted he should have been paid before Jones. Now Jones is costing them. It's ugly.
Exactly. This was all about locker room psychology. It was about the Giants taking care of a fraud and nickel and diming an elite talent. Using the positional value argument could not have been more tone deaf and more stupid in terms of motivating a team...
RE: I cant understand why a Giants fan would be unwilling
To believe that pulling the plug on Jones is a decision that has to be brought to Mara for approval.
Its how this franchise has operated for years. Who plays QB for the NY Giants is something that gets discussed by ownership.
The last time someone tried to play games with the starting QB Mara hung the coach and GM out to dry and fired them.
I get that, any owner does and should have say in what QB is starting, but this is beyond ridiculous. To me, it’s pretty clear Daboll was done with Jones after the tablet throwing incident, and I simply will not believe that it is Schoen who is holding out on making a change.
So if the owner is so hell-bent on his guy being the starter that he is overruling his own personnel guys, THAT IS A BIG FUCKING PROBLEM! Mara did it before with Eli, agreeing to allow McAdoo to bench him, than throwing McAdoo under the bus when the blowback came. And then, even after all that, deciding that Eli was still good enough to build around.
This team will continue to flounder as long as the Mara clan is deeply involved in personnel decisions. We all hoped that Mara would give Schoen free rein, and Hard Knocks was designed to give that impression, but it doesn’t appear to be remotely true.
RE: RE: The players don't care about positional value
They knew Barkley was the better player. KT admitted he should have been paid before Jones. Now Jones is costing them. It's ugly.
Exactly. This was all about locker room psychology. It was about the Giants taking care of a fraud and nickel and diming an elite talent. Using the positional value argument could not have been more tone deaf and more stupid in terms of motivating a team...
Thomas’s quote on the oline last week was clearly directed at the QB.
RE: RE: The players don't care about positional value
They knew Barkley was the better player. KT admitted he should have been paid before Jones. Now Jones is costing them. It's ugly.
Exactly. This was all about locker room psychology. It was about the Giants taking care of a fraud and nickel and diming an elite talent. Using the positional value argument could not have been more tone deaf and more stupid in terms of motivating a team...
The other issue I think gets overlooked is where’s our Jordan Mason? Tank Bigsby? Charbonnet? Nearly every other team in the league has a running back that just steps in fairly cheaply and produces.
on a historic day for the franchise, no less. Jones isn't Eli by a million miles. We honestly see him bullying the coach into playing Jones? I don't see that, or evidence for it.
I don’t see how you don’t see any evidence for it. It’s circumstantial to be sure, but come on, neither Daboll or Schoen is going to come out and say, “yeah, we wanted to make a change but we’re overruled”.
Daboll’s interaction with Jones after the Seattle pick 6, his eagerness on HK with any QB Schoen brought up, his forced smile when Schoen said yes to Daboll’s “so this is our QB room this year” - all of that tells me Daboll was ready to move on last year. And I simply will not believe if he went to Schoen and pounded the table to make a change, that Schoen wouldn’t allow him to do it.
So if not, who was preventing them? There is only one other guy, and it was the 9ne with no cameras in his office suite.
Funny, first words I spoke out loud after kickoff...
...were "Late as usual, even on a check down" on the first pass play. Forget Theo, it's amazing that the RBs don't injure themselves from the unnatural movements they have to make to get a hand on some of the throws coming their general direction.
Thanks for the comments on Adofo-Mensah, Sy. Maybe he and everybody else should be analyzing Will McClay.
Learning something from your reviews makes the mental dumpster diving that is watching this team less miserable.
-Adoree’ Jackson appeared to be on a pitch count considering he was not with the team until just a couple weeks ago. The 36-yard pass interference on a 3rd-and-8 stop (which led to an eventual touchdown) was a bogus call from a traditionalist perspective, but it was another clear example of where the game is now. In my book, Jackson did everything he could there. Otherwise, his coverage was solid, and he made a quick tackle after a short third-down catch that was a nice play.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
It was an awful awful call. But the league won't do shit about it. They'll say (1) did the call lead to a TD; (2) if so, what's the problem.
Why did Jackson even touch him? the ball was underthrown, should been a pick.
These should be huge reasons for a successful franchise. Yet the QB fucking sucks and brings everyone down with him. Costing people money and their careers. It's everyone else's fault though, right?
Agreed.
Very encouraging about JMS and Davidson. I thought JMS had at best an average game. What do I know.
Question, obviously Jones was a major issue here but what about the rest of the team. It looked like they were not well prepped to play. What are your thoughts on how this team is coached? Seems to me 2 years in a row the team was out coached in game 1.
Also, the personnel decisions just seemed odd. Phillips was having a great game and only plays 16 plays and Flott coming off injury is playing more and looked out of place. That’s just one example.
On D, the pass rush was non existent yet it seemed like there was no adjustment?
what are your thoughts on tempo of the game? They are down by 2 or more scores yet they are playing like it’s a one score game with runs, taking too much time in the huddle and no quickness or urgency. I think that’s on coaching.
Last, us fans can’t see practice, but I suspect Jones has similar issues yet no other QB got legit 1st team reps. If you were coaching, would you have brought in Lock for an open competition? Just seems like no matter who is coaching this team the game day decisions are very suspect. They start strong but quickly fall into head scratching decisions
on a historic day for the franchise, no less. Jones isn't Eli by a million miles. We honestly see him bullying the coach into playing Jones? I don't see that, or evidence for it.
I don’t see how you don’t see any evidence for it. It’s circumstantial to be sure, but come on, neither Daboll or Schoen is going to come out and say, “yeah, we wanted to make a change but we’re overruled”.
Daboll’s interaction with Jones after the Seattle pick 6, his eagerness on HK with any QB Schoen brought up, his forced smile when Schoen said yes to Daboll’s “so this is our QB room this year” - all of that tells me Daboll was ready to move on last year. And I simply will not believe if he went to Schoen and pounded the table to make a change, that Schoen wouldn’t allow him to do it.
So if not, who was preventing them? There is only one other guy, and it was the 9ne with no cameras in his office suite.
Coaches are almost always slower to pull the trigger than the fans wish. They spend the time building a plan and developing all training camp. Rarely do you see dramatic changes in the league made immediately after week 1. That's not just here, that's NFL wide.
and Schoen kept saying it was only about the first few games when they weren't sure Jones would be back healthy yet. Both guys have been on board with Jones since they signed him to that ridiculous contract and blaming Mara is weak when he obviously also wanted #26 to stick around but let Schoen and Daboll make that call.
I have to say the offensive play calling was not good for most of the game, hopefully Daboll shakes that off.
The defense is going to give up a high completion rates with the zone they run, basically the underneath is open on every play. They will have to get better at closing faster and tackling.
Agree about using game 1 to make too much of a judgement.
Not as hard on Jones as you considering it was his first game back after injury but it seemed clear he had some panic syndrome so the off target throws are not surprising nor are the misses. He will need to get over it fast.
Some good positives on the new guys. Giants need that.
That miss percentage you are utilizing is interesting. Look forward to seeing more on it.
and Schoen kept saying it was only about the first few games when they weren't sure Jones would be back healthy yet. Both guys have been on board with Jones since they signed him to that ridiculous contract and blaming Mara is weak when he obviously also wanted #26 to stick around but let Schoen and Daboll make that call.
If anyone still had any questions, here is John Mara just yesterday:
“I’m still glad we gave Daniel that contract.”
No accountability, not for Mara, and certainly not for Jones. There will be for Schoen and Daboll if this season continues to go south.
According to Carl Banks, LT thought the old timers would have outplayed the Giants on Sunday:
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“Lawrence looked at me at halftime and said, ‘Carl, I could pick 22 of us right now and go out and play better than these guys. We’d be in this game.’ The youngest guy in that line was probably 50 years old. Lawrence Taylor looked at me and said, ‘I can get 22 of us right now and go out there right now and whoop these guys’ ass.’”
do I root for rock bottom and hope they fire Daboll? Daboll scares the shit out of me all of a sudden. I was saying all Summer he seems to be a good offensive mind and his team didn't quit last season but the stubborn act and odd personnel moves is disconcerting to say the least. And then there's the lack of preparedness to start yet another season. And the way the QB and team looks to be getting worse. And if you're going to re-sign Jones, you had better be damn sure Jones is capable of running this downfield passing attack. So many things to be worried about. I know it's one week. Fine. But at some point we're all going to be rooting for rock bottom YET AGAIN. Rock bottom? 3-4 wins? And then what? We draft some QB from butt hump USA and all our problems go away?
Yes we need a QB, but at some point this staff needs to show they can cultivate and develop and maintain a winning program bad QB or not. And how the fuck are we supposed to buy in if the QB they re-signed turned into the worst starting QB in the NFL...I give up.
It's hard to possess any faith unless this team rips off some wins and sustained good play. It was easy to believe them after 2022 even if you were the most cynical and had no confidence in Jones. At least there was a 18 game sample size. 2022 might as well be 2002. It doesn't matter anymore.
SY - on TV the color commentator kept saying that whenever Dex left for a rest that Minny ran the ball inisde immeditately and did it with great success.
-Adoree’ Jackson appeared to be on a pitch count considering he was not with the team until just a couple weeks ago. The 36-yard pass interference on a 3rd-and-8 stop (which led to an eventual touchdown) was a bogus call from a traditionalist perspective, but it was another clear example of where the game is now. In my book, Jackson did everything he could there. Otherwise, his coverage was solid, and he made a quick tackle after a short third-down catch that was a nice play.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
It was an awful awful call. But the league won't do shit about it. They'll say (1) did the call lead to a TD; (2) if so, what's the problem.
Watched alot of CFL this summer and they actually have a PI Challenge
to reliving the game, so I just went to the Studs and Duds to see the heroes and
goats of the game.
goats had to be a challenge because there had to be at least a dozen options.
I question that type of comment. People are so overreacting. Most people knew DJ would be gone after this year. Predictions for our win total by some were 3-7 games. Jones proved he is shell shocked on Sunday. People that want a high 2025 draft pick will get their wish. No real surprises so far. We don’t have a good back up QB. No surprise there either.
I did not watch HK. The HC and GM could be gone because there are too many questions and Mara may not trust them chosing the next QB. Seen this show in the 70’s. As a longtime fan (1956) I don’t get as excited as some. Disappointed yes.
-Adoree’ Jackson appeared to be on a pitch count considering he was not with the team until just a couple weeks ago. The 36-yard pass interference on a 3rd-and-8 stop (which led to an eventual touchdown) was a bogus call from a traditionalist perspective, but it was another clear example of where the game is now. In my book, Jackson did everything he could there. Otherwise, his coverage was solid, and he made a quick tackle after a short third-down catch that was a nice play.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
It was an awful awful call. But the league won't do shit about it. They'll say (1) did the call lead to a TD; (2) if so, what's the problem.
If Jackson doesn't make such a lame attempt at trying to make it look like he got his head around as he was lunging toward the receiver who beat him, that call likely doesn't get made. His hilariously lunge and turn made it look like interference live. It wasn't till I saw the replay that I could tell what really happened. He should have just put both hands up in the air and not try to turn.
If Jackson doesn't make such a lame attempt at trying to make it look like he got his head around as he was lunging toward the receiver who beat him, that call likely doesn't get made. His hilariously lunge and turn made it look like interference live. It wasn't till I saw the replay that I could tell what really happened. He should have just put both hands up in the air and not try to turn.
Except that is what the league said is legal. If the DB turns and looks for the ball then it is not interference if there is contact. And what gives Jefferson the right to jump over and into Jackson who has every right to the ball in the air. And the ball was underthrown, giving Jackson an even greater right to the ball as he was closer to it.
The refs going to call whatever they want anyway and it almost always goes in favor of the WR
If Jackson doesn't make such a lame attempt at trying to make it look like he got his head around as he was lunging toward the receiver who beat him, that call likely doesn't get made. His hilariously lunge and turn made it look like interference live. It wasn't till I saw the replay that I could tell what really happened. He should have just put both hands up in the air and not try to turn.
Except that is what the league said is legal. If the DB turns and looks for the ball then it is not interference if there is contact. And what gives Jefferson the right to jump over and into Jackson who has every right to the ball in the air. And the ball was underthrown, giving Jackson an even greater right to the ball as he was closer to it.
The refs going to call whatever they want anyway and it almost always goes in favor of the WR
Dabolls horrendous play calling.
Daboll - why are we still taking delay of game penalties?! get the SHIT play in to your Shit QB so he can make a shit throw to the flats.
Daboll take a shot in the endzone after the defense gets you the ball on the opponents 20!
Daboll - why did you hire Shane Bowen? I'm extremely worried about a bend but dont break defense that has one good DL and a suspect secondary not to mention an offense that cant score.
Bowen why do you take Phillips out after causing a fumble and making a hell of a tackle to force a 4th and 2 from the goal line?
Bowen move on from McCloud after he cant take the right angle or set the edge.
Thats only in the first half. Just horrible to watch.
Just a few words about your very last statement about how Week One can lead to some odd outcomes and is not very predictive of how seasons actually unfold. I've seen this phenomenon enough times over 60 years to recognize the veracity of the statement.
But I have to make an exception with the 2024 New York Giants. Their listless game against Minny is a simple reflection of a debased franchise that lost its way years ago and doesn't have a clue how to steady the ship. There are a lot more embarrassing losses for the Giants in 2024 with numerous blowouts on the horizon.
RE: RE: I never saw Daboll give any impression he wanted to move on from Jones
and Schoen kept saying it was only about the first few games when they weren't sure Jones would be back healthy yet. Both guys have been on board with Jones since they signed him to that ridiculous contract and blaming Mara is weak when he obviously also wanted #26 to stick around but let Schoen and Daboll make that call.
If anyone still had any questions, here is John Mara just yesterday:
“I’m still glad we gave Daniel that contract.”
No accountability, not for Mara, and certainly not for Jones. There will be for Schoen and Daboll if this season continues to go south.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
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-Adoree’ Jackson appeared to be on a pitch count considering he was not with the team until just a couple weeks ago. The 36-yard pass interference on a 3rd-and-8 stop (which led to an eventual touchdown) was a bogus call from a traditionalist perspective, but it was another clear example of where the game is now. In my book, Jackson did everything he could there. Otherwise, his coverage was solid, and he made a quick tackle after a short third-down catch that was a nice play.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
It was an awful awful call. But the league won't do shit about it. They'll say (1) did the call lead to a TD; (2) if so, what's the problem.
Exactly. This was all about locker room psychology. It was about the Giants taking care of a fraud and nickel and diming an elite talent. Using the positional value argument could not have been more tone deaf and more stupid in terms of motivating a team...
Its how this franchise has operated for years. Who plays QB for the NY Giants is something that gets discussed by ownership.
The last time someone tried to play games with the starting QB Mara hung the coach and GM out to dry and fired them.
I get that, any owner does and should have say in what QB is starting, but this is beyond ridiculous. To me, it’s pretty clear Daboll was done with Jones after the tablet throwing incident, and I simply will not believe that it is Schoen who is holding out on making a change.
So if the owner is so hell-bent on his guy being the starter that he is overruling his own personnel guys, THAT IS A BIG FUCKING PROBLEM! Mara did it before with Eli, agreeing to allow McAdoo to bench him, than throwing McAdoo under the bus when the blowback came. And then, even after all that, deciding that Eli was still good enough to build around.
This team will continue to flounder as long as the Mara clan is deeply involved in personnel decisions. We all hoped that Mara would give Schoen free rein, and Hard Knocks was designed to give that impression, but it doesn’t appear to be remotely true.
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They knew Barkley was the better player. KT admitted he should have been paid before Jones. Now Jones is costing them. It's ugly.
Exactly. This was all about locker room psychology. It was about the Giants taking care of a fraud and nickel and diming an elite talent. Using the positional value argument could not have been more tone deaf and more stupid in terms of motivating a team...
Thomas’s quote on the oline last week was clearly directed at the QB.
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They knew Barkley was the better player. KT admitted he should have been paid before Jones. Now Jones is costing them. It's ugly.
Exactly. This was all about locker room psychology. It was about the Giants taking care of a fraud and nickel and diming an elite talent. Using the positional value argument could not have been more tone deaf and more stupid in terms of motivating a team...
The other issue I think gets overlooked is where’s our Jordan Mason? Tank Bigsby? Charbonnet? Nearly every other team in the league has a running back that just steps in fairly cheaply and produces.
I don’t see how you don’t see any evidence for it. It’s circumstantial to be sure, but come on, neither Daboll or Schoen is going to come out and say, “yeah, we wanted to make a change but we’re overruled”.
Daboll’s interaction with Jones after the Seattle pick 6, his eagerness on HK with any QB Schoen brought up, his forced smile when Schoen said yes to Daboll’s “so this is our QB room this year” - all of that tells me Daboll was ready to move on last year. And I simply will not believe if he went to Schoen and pounded the table to make a change, that Schoen wouldn’t allow him to do it.
So if not, who was preventing them? There is only one other guy, and it was the 9ne with no cameras in his office suite.
Thanks for the comments on Adofo-Mensah, Sy. Maybe he and everybody else should be analyzing Will McClay.
Learning something from your reviews makes the mental dumpster diving that is watching this team less miserable.
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-Adoree’ Jackson appeared to be on a pitch count considering he was not with the team until just a couple weeks ago. The 36-yard pass interference on a 3rd-and-8 stop (which led to an eventual touchdown) was a bogus call from a traditionalist perspective, but it was another clear example of where the game is now. In my book, Jackson did everything he could there. Otherwise, his coverage was solid, and he made a quick tackle after a short third-down catch that was a nice play.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
It was an awful awful call. But the league won't do shit about it. They'll say (1) did the call lead to a TD; (2) if so, what's the problem.
Why did Jackson even touch him? the ball was underthrown, should been a pick.
Agreed.
Very encouraging about JMS and Davidson. I thought JMS had at best an average game. What do I know.
Also, the personnel decisions just seemed odd. Phillips was having a great game and only plays 16 plays and Flott coming off injury is playing more and looked out of place. That’s just one example.
On D, the pass rush was non existent yet it seemed like there was no adjustment?
what are your thoughts on tempo of the game? They are down by 2 or more scores yet they are playing like it’s a one score game with runs, taking too much time in the huddle and no quickness or urgency. I think that’s on coaching.
Last, us fans can’t see practice, but I suspect Jones has similar issues yet no other QB got legit 1st team reps. If you were coaching, would you have brought in Lock for an open competition? Just seems like no matter who is coaching this team the game day decisions are very suspect. They start strong but quickly fall into head scratching decisions
Why did Jackson even touch him? the ball was underthrown, should been a pick.
Jackson had no idea where the ball was and ran into the WR's chest when the WR tried to come back for the ball.
A lot like his DPI that lost the Jets game in OT last year.
deja vu - ( New Window )
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The players know when the QB gives them no chance to win.
And they hear it from friends and family. You don’t think Nabers pals aren’t telling him that he isn’t getting the rock because the QB is incompetent?
Schoen's own son told him on HK they need a new qb
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on a historic day for the franchise, no less. Jones isn't Eli by a million miles. We honestly see him bullying the coach into playing Jones? I don't see that, or evidence for it.
I don’t see how you don’t see any evidence for it. It’s circumstantial to be sure, but come on, neither Daboll or Schoen is going to come out and say, “yeah, we wanted to make a change but we’re overruled”.
Daboll’s interaction with Jones after the Seattle pick 6, his eagerness on HK with any QB Schoen brought up, his forced smile when Schoen said yes to Daboll’s “so this is our QB room this year” - all of that tells me Daboll was ready to move on last year. And I simply will not believe if he went to Schoen and pounded the table to make a change, that Schoen wouldn’t allow him to do it.
So if not, who was preventing them? There is only one other guy, and it was the 9ne with no cameras in his office suite.
LOL thanks Sy!-this is gonna be a loooong season.
The defense is going to give up a high completion rates with the zone they run, basically the underneath is open on every play. They will have to get better at closing faster and tackling.
Not as hard on Jones as you considering it was his first game back after injury but it seemed clear he had some panic syndrome so the off target throws are not surprising nor are the misses. He will need to get over it fast.
Some good positives on the new guys. Giants need that.
That miss percentage you are utilizing is interesting. Look forward to seeing more on it.
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Why did Jackson even touch him? the ball was underthrown, should been a pick.
Jackson had no idea where the ball was and ran into the WR's chest when the WR tried to come back for the ball.
A lot like his DPI that lost the Jets game in OT last year. deja vu - ( New Window )
Typical. They should have left him on the couch.
Thanks for the reminder re the Jet game LOL
If anyone still had any questions, here is John Mara just yesterday:
“I’m still glad we gave Daniel that contract.”
No accountability, not for Mara, and certainly not for Jones. There will be for Schoen and Daboll if this season continues to go south.
Yes, I’ll try to find the tweet I saw it on.
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Yes we need a QB, but at some point this staff needs to show they can cultivate and develop and maintain a winning program bad QB or not. And how the fuck are we supposed to buy in if the QB they re-signed turned into the worst starting QB in the NFL...I give up.
It's hard to possess any faith unless this team rips off some wins and sustained good play. It was easy to believe them after 2022 even if you were the most cynical and had no confidence in Jones. At least there was a 18 game sample size. 2022 might as well be 2002. It doesn't matter anymore.
Did you also see this?
Yikes... thanks for catching that.
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-Adoree’ Jackson appeared to be on a pitch count considering he was not with the team until just a couple weeks ago. The 36-yard pass interference on a 3rd-and-8 stop (which led to an eventual touchdown) was a bogus call from a traditionalist perspective, but it was another clear example of where the game is now. In my book, Jackson did everything he could there. Otherwise, his coverage was solid, and he made a quick tackle after a short third-down catch that was a nice play.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
It was an awful awful call. But the league won't do shit about it. They'll say (1) did the call lead to a TD; (2) if so, what's the problem.
Watched alot of CFL this summer and they actually have a PI Challenge
If anyone still had any questions, here is John Mara just yesterday:
“I’m still glad we gave Daniel that contract.”
No accountability, not for Mara, and certainly not for Jones. There will be for Schoen and Daboll if this season continues to go south.
False alarm. The Mara quote is from August 1.
There were/are tweets since yesterday citing it, but the quote is from August 1.
It's on Raanan's twitter from that date, among other places.
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If anyone still had any questions, here is John Mara just yesterday:
“I’m still glad we gave Daniel that contract.”
No accountability, not for Mara, and certainly not for Jones. There will be for Schoen and Daboll if this season continues to go south.
False alarm. The Mara quote is from August 1.
There were/are tweets since yesterday citing it, but the quote is from August 1.
It's on Raanan's twitter from that date, among other places.
Thanks for that, my mistake.
goats of the game.
goats had to be a challenge because there had to be at least a dozen options.
I did not watch HK. The HC and GM could be gone because there are too many questions and Mara may not trust them chosing the next QB. Seen this show in the 70’s. As a longtime fan (1956) I don’t get as excited as some. Disappointed yes.
Because the league wants more points and spotting the ball at the foul almost always leads to more points.
He got told to calm down after last year.
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-Adoree’ Jackson appeared to be on a pitch count considering he was not with the team until just a couple weeks ago. The 36-yard pass interference on a 3rd-and-8 stop (which led to an eventual touchdown) was a bogus call from a traditionalist perspective, but it was another clear example of where the game is now. In my book, Jackson did everything he could there. Otherwise, his coverage was solid, and he made a quick tackle after a short third-down catch that was a nice play.
This needs to be addressed by the league. Heaving 3rd and long and QB's throwing up Hail Mary's that result in bullshit PI's, automatic first downs and moving the ball 40/50 yards down the field needs to be addressed by the rules committee. I don't know the answer but it needs to be addressed.
That play altered the course of the game. This team is not and has not been good at rebounding from dagger situations like that and it happened once again.
It was an awful awful call. But the league won't do shit about it. They'll say (1) did the call lead to a TD; (2) if so, what's the problem.
If Jackson doesn't make such a lame attempt at trying to make it look like he got his head around as he was lunging toward the receiver who beat him, that call likely doesn't get made. His hilariously lunge and turn made it look like interference live. It wasn't till I saw the replay that I could tell what really happened. He should have just put both hands up in the air and not try to turn.
If Jackson doesn't make such a lame attempt at trying to make it look like he got his head around as he was lunging toward the receiver who beat him, that call likely doesn't get made. His hilariously lunge and turn made it look like interference live. It wasn't till I saw the replay that I could tell what really happened. He should have just put both hands up in the air and not try to turn.
Except that is what the league said is legal. If the DB turns and looks for the ball then it is not interference if there is contact. And what gives Jefferson the right to jump over and into Jackson who has every right to the ball in the air. And the ball was underthrown, giving Jackson an even greater right to the ball as he was closer to it.
The refs going to call whatever they want anyway and it almost always goes in favor of the WR
Cant win. Everone wanted him not to yell and scream last year, now he's controlling it and it still gets questioned, lol.
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If Jackson doesn't make such a lame attempt at trying to make it look like he got his head around as he was lunging toward the receiver who beat him, that call likely doesn't get made. His hilariously lunge and turn made it look like interference live. It wasn't till I saw the replay that I could tell what really happened. He should have just put both hands up in the air and not try to turn.
Except that is what the league said is legal. If the DB turns and looks for the ball then it is not interference if there is contact. And what gives Jefferson the right to jump over and into Jackson who has every right to the ball in the air. And the ball was underthrown, giving Jackson an even greater right to the ball as he was closer to it.
The refs going to call whatever they want anyway and it almost always goes in favor of the WR
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
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When he is sitting in the middle of a shit-storm?
Resigned, alas, to his fate. ;0)
Guaranteed contracts for HCs doesn't suck either.
Daboll - why are we still taking delay of game penalties?! get the SHIT play in to your Shit QB so he can make a shit throw to the flats.
Daboll take a shot in the endzone after the defense gets you the ball on the opponents 20!
Daboll - why did you hire Shane Bowen? I'm extremely worried about a bend but dont break defense that has one good DL and a suspect secondary not to mention an offense that cant score.
Bowen why do you take Phillips out after causing a fumble and making a hell of a tackle to force a 4th and 2 from the goal line?
Bowen move on from McCloud after he cant take the right angle or set the edge.
Thats only in the first half. Just horrible to watch.
Just a few words about your very last statement about how Week One can lead to some odd outcomes and is not very predictive of how seasons actually unfold. I've seen this phenomenon enough times over 60 years to recognize the veracity of the statement.
But I have to make an exception with the 2024 New York Giants. Their listless game against Minny is a simple reflection of a debased franchise that lost its way years ago and doesn't have a clue how to steady the ship. There are a lot more embarrassing losses for the Giants in 2024 with numerous blowouts on the horizon.
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and Schoen kept saying it was only about the first few games when they weren't sure Jones would be back healthy yet. Both guys have been on board with Jones since they signed him to that ridiculous contract and blaming Mara is weak when he obviously also wanted #26 to stick around but let Schoen and Daboll make that call.
If anyone still had any questions, here is John Mara just yesterday:
“I’m still glad we gave Daniel that contract.”
No accountability, not for Mara, and certainly not for Jones. There will be for Schoen and Daboll if this season continues to go south.
That was back in May.