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This team has all the markings of a team about to implode

RELICDOA : 9/10/2024 11:28 pm
- Kayvon refusing to answering reporters questions
- Dex saying he doesn’t agree with fans booing
- Hyatt disengaged
- Daboll continuously peppered with hard questions similar to when Joe Judge lost his mind
- Hardknocks clips resurfacing clearly showing team ownership and internal partners questioning the identity of this team/being upset with Saquon leaving to of all teams the Eagles
- The media smells blood and it’s week 1!!!
- DJ sucking
- Daboll calling the plays and being outmatched
Without convincing wins and vocal leadership this is going to get extremely ugly. f Daboll doesn’t understand the shit storm that is happening right now, he is surely not going to survive this! He better start throwing some IPads, benching some players, admit his mistakes, and course correct quickly because there will not be a next year. We are all sick of we gotta watch the tape, and the PR bullshit! I know there is only one Parcells but if you’re going out go out on your sword! Daboll is going out like a chump!
Let the blood bath begin  
Gforce11 : 9/10/2024 11:30 pm : link
Fuckers deserve the shit storm for putting a product like this on the field.
Not yet but a few more losses and the chaos begins  
The_Boss : 9/10/2024 11:37 pm : link
If that happens, good luck in your future endeavors Joe and Brian.
The Jones decision will likely get them  
eric2425ny : 9/10/2024 11:52 pm : link
both fired. There were three choices: 1.) Pick up the 5th year option, 2.) Franchise him for the 2023 season and 3.) Sign him to a lucrative deal.

Schoen and Daboll chose option three and now the team is screwed.
Well we've got the Commanders coming up.  
BigBlueNH : 9/10/2024 11:54 pm : link
If we can't pick up a W against the only team that consistently lays down for us - with a rough stretch of games coming up - it will quickly get ugly.
Sounds more like they're circling the wagons than about to implode  
Milton : 9/10/2024 11:56 pm : link
It's the fanbase that's imploding and the media is feasting on us like flies to a shitwagon.
About?  
thrunthrublue : 9/11/2024 12:12 am : link
That is like looking up at the Hindenburg….and asking if anyone else smells smoke! Daboll….Jones finished if they are blown out on Sunday…coach should look at the scoreboard, not the digital replay ( the days of tape, are long gone, like them) ..book it.
It is true and well deserved  
GiantBlue : 9/11/2024 12:13 am : link
This GM proved he can’t keep up with Roseman and Stephen Jones.

The coach is an imbecile.

Let it burn……Let it burn.

Maybe Goodall will have to step in like Roselle did. This franchise has become a joke and a laughing stock imho.


Watching this organization completely implode  
kelly : 9/11/2024 12:20 am : link
Will be more fun then watching them loses week after week.

RE: The Jones decision will likely get them  
prdave73 : 9/11/2024 1:22 am : link
In comment 16605236 eric2425ny said:
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both fired. There were three choices: 1.) Pick up the 5th year option, 2.) Franchise him for the 2023 season and 3.) Sign him to a lucrative deal.

Schoen and Daboll chose option three and now the team is screwed.


Right.. wow.
RE: The Jones decision will likely get them  
Tom in NY : 9/11/2024 1:52 am : link
In comment 16605236 eric2425ny said:
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both fired. There were three choices: 1.) Pick up the 5th year option, 2.) Franchise him for the 2023 season and 3.) Sign him to a lucrative deal.

Schoen and Daboll chose option three and now the team is screwed.


This is not correct.

1.They would have had to pick up the 5th year option prior to 2022...no one was in favor of doing that.
2. Franchise tag for '23 would have meant no Barkley or Okereke...not good use of cap $$.
3. While the $$ amount of the contract can be argued, it was/is a market rate contract with a 2 year escape clause.

If they hired BD due to his ability to develop QBs, why fire him if he has shown good progress with CFA Devito, and would likely be the best candidate to develop the next Franchise QB?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/11/2024 5:09 am : link
If I had to bet $, this season will all but be DOA come 9/26 around 11:15 PM as the Cowboys runs out the clock @ MetLife with only Dallas fans remaining in the building.
We knew this was possible  
George from PA : 9/11/2024 5:34 am : link
They had to start strong.....this will get ugly early
Jones, Daboll and Schoen all suck  
Maijay : 9/11/2024 6:24 am : link
If that is the narrative this franchise is cursed. As a Giant fan since 1958 I'm fearing that I will not see another championship team in my lifetime . That is not hyperbole. Ownership has to be the main cause of this shit show of a team and the futility of this team is reaching epic proportions. I pray to the gods please send us people who are competent and professional and rescue this franchise from football hell.
The implosion  
56goat : 9/11/2024 6:52 am : link
already started last year. This year is just a continuation and it will get ugly(er).
This team is not about to implode  
GeofromNJ : 9/11/2024 7:03 am : link
Moreover there is a lot of talent on this team. It simply needs a competent QB to compete. Firing Schoen and/or Daboll won't solve anything. Schoen made mistakes. I understand that. But firing him will only cause more turmoil and waste time while a new GM is found who then must find his HC, etc. I would let Schoen and Daboll make the best of this year and trust them to find a QB in next year's draft.
It’s going to be worse  
ajr2456 : 9/11/2024 7:06 am : link
Than the end of the Judge era
Some solid points made by you Reli  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/11/2024 7:42 am : link
Game 1 can be unpredictable but it was a grossly unprepared team in last seasons opener and again this year. This game on a day you are honoring you franchises history with many legends in attendance. The HC discussed all the things he was doing to be better prepared this year. That's concerning. Unbelievable that some in the BDDT said the team was prepared.

HC needs to get his act together really fast. If poor play continues it won't be long till it does indeed implode.
This team has some good players, but doesn't seem to have any  
PatersonPlank : 9/11/2024 8:25 am : link
leaders. Usually the QB would be there, but Jones is about as far from a leader as you can be. This "losing of the team" happens when there are no leaders in the locker room. With Strahan and Eli, or with LT and Carson, this wouldn't happen. How many times do you hear a coach say that he is willing to take a chance on a player with a bad rep because he has strong leaders in the locker room, so he's not worried about the impact? Well we have the opposite.
RE: The Jones decision will likely get them  
HomerJones45 : 9/11/2024 8:26 am : link
In comment 16605236 eric2425ny said:
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both fired. There were three choices: 1.) Pick up the 5th year option, 2.) Franchise him for the 2023 season and 3.) Sign him to a lucrative deal.

Schoen and Daboll chose option three and now the team is screwed.
There was a 4th choice: make the hard-headed decision that 2022 wasn't all that different than his prior years, they got off to a fast start by papering over his deficiencies which showed up as the year went on and let him walk.
RE: This team is not about to implode  
HomerJones45 : 9/11/2024 8:28 am : link
In comment 16605289 GeofromNJ said:
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Moreover there is a lot of talent on this team. It simply needs a competent QB to compete. Firing Schoen and/or Daboll won't solve anything. Schoen made mistakes. I understand that. But firing him will only cause more turmoil and waste time while a new GM is found who then must find his HC, etc. I would let Schoen and Daboll make the best of this year and trust them to find a QB in next year's draft.
The mistakes he has made are doozys and he brought it on himself. The turmoil is here, he's floundering around, and you don't keep a mediocre at best person as GM because you think you are avoiding it.
RE: This team has some good players, but doesn't seem to have any  
nygiants16 : 9/11/2024 8:36 am : link
In comment 16605320 PatersonPlank said:
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leaders. Usually the QB would be there, but Jones is about as far from a leader as you can be. This "losing of the team" happens when there are no leaders in the locker room. With Strahan and Eli, or with LT and Carson, this wouldn't happen. How many times do you hear a coach say that he is willing to take a chance on a player with a bad rep because he has strong leaders in the locker room, so he's not worried about the impact? Well we have the opposite.


Really, Strahan was never on teams that imploded, there were years where Strahan wanted to fight the offense because they were so bad..

In O6 him and Pierce were so disrespectful to the media that it made news..
RE: It is true and well deserved  
UberAlias : 9/11/2024 8:38 am : link
In comment 16605242 GiantBlue said:
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This GM proved he can’t keep up with Roseman and Stephen Jones.

The coach is an imbecile.

Let it burn……Let it burn.

Maybe Goodall will have to step in like Roselle did. This franchise has become a joke and a laughing stock imho.

In his defense, you do realize that Howie Roseman only won 4 games in his 3rd year, doing worse in each, and that was with an established HOF head coach.
Losing 28-6  
Les in TO : 9/11/2024 9:08 am : link
At home against a backup QB in a season opener while not attacking on either side of the ball is all on the coaching staff. Two seasons in a row the team has been embarrassed in the opener. All teams face the same CBA restrictions and same number of preseason games yet they don’t leave the gates stuck in the mud like the Giants.
the implosion started week 1 last year  
Dave in PA : 9/11/2024 9:30 am : link
40-0 against Dallas. Utterly incompetent, unprepared, outmanned and outcoached in all aspects. This coming off of a nice little playoff push that ended with Philly absolutely dismantling the Giants in a way that made it look like a D1 vs D3 matchup. The Giants had no business even being on that field. It's been a shit show since then and Brian Daboll looks like he has no clue how to even entertain making the situation better.
I wouldn't agree to HK  
Blueworm : 9/11/2024 9:46 am : link
Unless it's a team that has repeatedly been in the playoffs.
RE: RE: This team has some good players, but doesn't seem to have any  
Greg from LI : 9/11/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16605329 nygiants16 said:
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Really, Strahan was never on teams that imploded, there were years where Strahan wanted to fight the offense because they were so bad..

In O6 him and Pierce were so disrespectful to the media that it made news..


He obviously has blocked 2003 out from his memory
it feels very joe judge 2021  
Eric on Li : 9/11/2024 10:09 am : link
when all he could do was repeat "it's going to be okay" in press conferences.

seriously 1 more week of this crap and id bring in belichick.
 
christian : 9/11/2024 10:17 am : link
So, being overweight wasn't the issue last year?
RE: the implosion started week 1 last year  
nygiants16 : 9/11/2024 10:23 am : link
In comment 16605390 Dave in PA said:
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40-0 against Dallas. Utterly incompetent, unprepared, outmanned and outcoached in all aspects. This coming off of a nice little playoff push that ended with Philly absolutely dismantling the Giants in a way that made it look like a D1 vs D3 matchup. The Giants had no business even being on that field. It's been a shit show since then and Brian Daboll looks like he has no clue how to even entertain making the situation better.


So then why didnt they implode last year? How did they win 6 games? How did they go 3-3 with Tommy Devito at QB, incouding besting a very good Packers team
Washington  
GoDeep13 : 9/11/2024 10:33 am : link
Has been the one consistent source of wins for the Giants. Jones falters there and it's over for him. Anything after that and the team will mutiny.
RE: RE: the implosion started week 1 last year  
Dave in PA : 9/11/2024 10:34 am : link
In comment 16605451 nygiants16 said:
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40-0 against Dallas. Utterly incompetent, unprepared, outmanned and outcoached in all aspects. This coming off of a nice little playoff push that ended with Philly absolutely dismantling the Giants in a way that made it look like a D1 vs D3 matchup. The Giants had no business even being on that field. It's been a shit show since then and Brian Daboll looks like he has no clue how to even entertain making the situation better.



So then why didnt they implode last year? How did they win 6 games? How did they go 3-3 with Tommy Devito at QB, incouding besting a very good Packers team
maybe we have different opinions of implosion. Did they revolt in the locker room? of course not. Did they become bad teammates and go into selfish mode? nope. Was the play on the field ABYSMAL? yep. The organization, as it is intended to function as a FOOTBALL TEAM, imploded. The product was and remains unwatchable. The actual product on the field has imploded and is just about to hit the ground.
RE: RE: RE: the implosion started week 1 last year  
jpetuch : 9/11/2024 10:44 am : link
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40-0 against Dallas. Utterly incompetent, unprepared, outmanned and outcoached in all aspects. This coming off of a nice little playoff push that ended with Philly absolutely dismantling the Giants in a way that made it look like a D1 vs D3 matchup. The Giants had no business even being on that field. It's been a shit show since then and Brian Daboll looks like he has no clue how to even entertain making the situation better.



So then why didnt they implode last year? How did they win 6 games? How did they go 3-3 with Tommy Devito at QB, incouding besting a very good Packers team

maybe we have different opinions of implosion. Did they revolt in the locker room? of course not. Did they become bad teammates and go into selfish mode? nope. Was the play on the field ABYSMAL? yep. The organization, as it is intended to function as a FOOTBALL TEAM, imploded. The product was and remains unwatchable. The actual product on the field has imploded and is just about to hit the ground.


They had Barkley last year. Like someone mentioned he was always a potential home run threat so some focus was on Jones. With him gone, its just Jones right now.
RE: RE: RE: the implosion started week 1 last year  
nygiants16 : 9/11/2024 10:47 am : link
In comment 16605465 Dave in PA said:
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40-0 against Dallas. Utterly incompetent, unprepared, outmanned and outcoached in all aspects. This coming off of a nice little playoff push that ended with Philly absolutely dismantling the Giants in a way that made it look like a D1 vs D3 matchup. The Giants had no business even being on that field. It's been a shit show since then and Brian Daboll looks like he has no clue how to even entertain making the situation better.



So then why didnt they implode last year? How did they win 6 games? How did they go 3-3 with Tommy Devito at QB, incouding besting a very good Packers team

maybe we have different opinions of implosion. Did they revolt in the locker room? of course not. Did they become bad teammates and go into selfish mode? nope. Was the play on the field ABYSMAL? yep. The organization, as it is intended to function as a FOOTBALL TEAM, imploded. The product was and remains unwatchable. The actual product on the field has imploded and is just about to hit the ground.


They also were missing their elite LT and Barkley was compromised with the ankle injury after the cardinals game..

They went into Buffalo and should of won..

what you are describing is not implosion whatsoever, bad football team, yes, but the team kept fighting, kept playing hard and playing for the coach, thats not implosion
Barkley's longest run last season was 36 yards  
Greg from LI : 9/11/2024 10:49 am : link
He wasn't a home run threat last year, and likely never will be again because he doesn't have the burst he had several years ago.
RE: RE: RE: RE: the implosion started week 1 last year  
nygiants16 : 9/11/2024 10:49 am : link
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40-0 against Dallas. Utterly incompetent, unprepared, outmanned and outcoached in all aspects. This coming off of a nice little playoff push that ended with Philly absolutely dismantling the Giants in a way that made it look like a D1 vs D3 matchup. The Giants had no business even being on that field. It's been a shit show since then and Brian Daboll looks like he has no clue how to even entertain making the situation better.



So then why didnt they implode last year? How did they win 6 games? How did they go 3-3 with Tommy Devito at QB, incouding besting a very good Packers team

maybe we have different opinions of implosion. Did they revolt in the locker room? of course not. Did they become bad teammates and go into selfish mode? nope. Was the play on the field ABYSMAL? yep. The organization, as it is intended to function as a FOOTBALL TEAM, imploded. The product was and remains unwatchable. The actual product on the field has imploded and is just about to hit the ground.



They had Barkley last year. Like someone mentioned he was always a potential home run threat so some focus was on Jones. With him gone, its just Jones right now.


He was hurt lol, he missed a month..

Calm down the Commanders stink  
averagejoe : 9/11/2024 10:49 am : link
Giants win , Nabers has two TD's , and all will be well again. The NFL has many bad teams and Giants will manage 5 wins somehow . But nothing ever changes. Still a bottom three team, Jones is still QB, and fanbase still has no hope .
RE: RE: RE: RE: the implosion started week 1 last year  
Dave in PA : 9/11/2024 10:56 am : link
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40-0 against Dallas. Utterly incompetent, unprepared, outmanned and outcoached in all aspects. This coming off of a nice little playoff push that ended with Philly absolutely dismantling the Giants in a way that made it look like a D1 vs D3 matchup. The Giants had no business even being on that field. It's been a shit show since then and Brian Daboll looks like he has no clue how to even entertain making the situation better.



So then why didnt they implode last year? How did they win 6 games? How did they go 3-3 with Tommy Devito at QB, incouding besting a very good Packers team

maybe we have different opinions of implosion. Did they revolt in the locker room? of course not. Did they become bad teammates and go into selfish mode? nope. Was the play on the field ABYSMAL? yep. The organization, as it is intended to function as a FOOTBALL TEAM, imploded. The product was and remains unwatchable. The actual product on the field has imploded and is just about to hit the ground.



They also were missing their elite LT and Barkley was compromised with the ankle injury after the cardinals game..

They went into Buffalo and should of won..

what you are describing is not implosion whatsoever, bad football team, yes, but the team kept fighting, kept playing hard and playing for the coach, thats not implosion
semantics at this point. It can't get much worse can it? If not, I'd say that's an implosion
Where’s the confidence  
mittenedman : 9/11/2024 11:27 am : link
that they’ll beat WAS coming from?

They hired Dan Quinn who looked like he had the Giants offense completely flummoxed the last 2 years.

I’m expecting a vicious beating, with DJ looking clueless and the offense in general getting outcoached again.
The current line is Wash -2.0-2.5  
cosmicj : 9/11/2024 11:43 am : link
Bettors are slightly favoring the Commanders.
If the Giants  
TinVA : 9/11/2024 12:43 pm : link
Lose this week to the Commanders, let the 0-18 watch begin because it's a real possibility.
RE: The current line is Wash -2.0-2.5  
Scooter185 : 9/11/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16605572 cosmicj said:
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Bettors are slightly favoring the Commanders.


Realistically who are the Giants going to be favored against? Carolina?
SB  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/11/2024 12:48 pm : link
went or 135 total yards with a 33 yarder gain. Seems like a pretty good start...

A poster said BD will win a SB as HC of the Giants. That same poster said Richie Seubert was a JAG and Will Beatty was a SB pedigree OL. Not a promising prediction.
RE: SB  
christian : 9/11/2024 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16605662 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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went or 135 total yards with a 33 yarder gain. Seems like a pretty good start...

A poster said BD will win a SB as HC of the Giants. That same poster said Richie Seubert was a JAG and Will Beatty was a SB pedigree OL. Not a promising prediction.

It's weird when you (incorrectly) address things I say, but don't address the post to me. Why do you do that?
BBI has already imploded but I don’t understand why  
joe48 : 9/11/2024 3:13 pm : link
The consensus has been DJ will be gone after the season and it’s going to happen. The team according to what I’ve read was not going to win more than 5 games. It could be less. We should get a high draft pick.
Why are people so unhappy? Is it because of the GM and the HC?
I have  
darren in pdx : 9/11/2024 4:07 pm : link
a big feeling Jayden is going to run all over the defense and embarrass them while Jones has a similar performance as week 1. This'll be the end of Schoen and Daboll, after being chosen because of their work with Allen that there undoing will be completely fumbling the QB position.

I fear wasting another couple years with Belichick.
RE: RE: The Jones decision will likely get them  
FStubbs : 9/11/2024 10:44 pm : link
In comment 16605266 Tom in NY said:
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both fired. There were three choices: 1.) Pick up the 5th year option, 2.) Franchise him for the 2023 season and 3.) Sign him to a lucrative deal.

Schoen and Daboll chose option three and now the team is screwed.



This is not correct.

1.They would have had to pick up the 5th year option prior to 2022...no one was in favor of doing that.
2. Franchise tag for '23 would have meant no Barkley or Okereke...not good use of cap $$.
3. While the $$ amount of the contract can be argued, it was/is a market rate contract with a 2 year escape clause.

If they hired BD due to his ability to develop QBs, why fire him if he has shown good progress with CFA Devito, and would likely be the best candidate to develop the next Franchise QB?


Jones is such a drag on the cap and the roster that it's worth not having Barkley and Okereke not to have Jones.
RE: It is true and well deserved  
santacruzom : 9/11/2024 10:57 pm : link
In comment 16605242 GiantBlue said:
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This GM proved he can’t keep up with Roseman and Stephen Jones.

The coach is an imbecile.

Let it burn……Let it burn.

Maybe Goodall will have to step in like Roselle did. This franchise has become a joke and a laughing stock imho.



Goodell is too busy negotiating with North Korea to host 2 games a year. He's not going to intervene on behalf of the Giants.
RE: BBI has already imploded but I don’t understand why  
.McL. : 9/11/2024 11:01 pm : link
In comment 16605883 joe48 said:
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The consensus has been DJ will be gone after the season and it’s going to happen. The team according to what I’ve read was not going to win more than 5 games. It could be less. We should get a high draft pick.
Why are people so unhappy? Is it because of the GM and the HC?

If they sucked but showed some fight and were competitive, that's one thing. This team shows nothing, no fight, not competitive. The whole team is rotting.
RE: RE: The Jones decision will likely get them  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/12/2024 11:35 am : link
In comment 16605266 Tom in NY said:
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both fired. There were three choices: 1.) Pick up the 5th year option, 2.) Franchise him for the 2023 season and 3.) Sign him to a lucrative deal.

Schoen and Daboll chose option three and now the team is screwed.



This is not correct.

1.They would have had to pick up the 5th year option prior to 2022...no one was in favor of doing that.
2. Franchise tag for '23 would have meant no Barkley or Okereke...not good use of cap $$.
3. While the $$ amount of the contract can be argued, it was/is a market rate contract with a 2 year escape clause.

If they hired BD due to his ability to develop QBs, why fire him if he has shown good progress with CFA Devito, and would likely be the best candidate to develop the next Franchise QB?

This (bolded above) has been debunked repeatedly. They could have replicated last year's offseason minus Parris Campbell and structured contracts (and restructured contracts) differently to achieve the same outcome but with Barkley under contract and Jones on the tag.
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