Listened to Big Blue Kickoff on Monday, and it was a rough listen
*the first caller brought up the PFF stat about the WRs having the 4th highest yard of separation. Cross quickly shot that down, stating that yards of separation are measured after the QB breaks the pocket and starts to scramble. Cross basically said that, watching from the field, they weren't getting much separation
*Dottino pointed out the fact that Burrow and Cousins both missed time with injury last year and played like crap. I don't know how that is an excuse for DJ, but he threw it out there
*A caller, who last week made the bold prediction that DJ would finish top ten in MVP voting, pointed to the Adoree BS PI call 'deflating the team.' First and foremost, if an NFL team can't recover from one bad call in the first quarter up 3-0, that is simply pathetic. To P Dot's credit he kinda pushed back on this.
Hard to take anyone seriously that would say that.
Papa and Banks were far more honest in their assessment of Jones and it wasn't good at all.
Cousins completed 63%.
Luckily the Giants play both, so we’ll get to see how dumb Cross and Dottino really are
If receivers weren't getting open, why did Jones have 22 completions for the game?
Papa and Banks kissed Judge and DG's ass up until the very end, why is anyone surprised ?
If receivers weren't getting open, why did Jones have 22 completions for the game?
For Burrow, he had Tee Higgins out and lots of drama with Chase who is not happy and couldn't be in game shape after not having even practiced prior to a few days before game 1.
We are going to have the same old "he is a company man" response here if he disagrees with posters narratives. On that note Jones was still missing throws and ran himself into some sacks this past game. I'm worried he is watching the rush and note having his eyes down the field at this point.
Winning a Super Bowl 30 years ago doesn’t mean you actually understand football.
It’s funny, accolades mean something when the person defends the Giants. But HOFers who criticize the Giants don’t know what they’re talking about.
Under that thinking, Bill B should be coaching right now.
Alas, some things have passed him by. Note his shabby roster management.
Banks is not the Pope -he's not infallible.
DJ was hitting guys for pick-6s during the preseason and has been able to carry that consistency right into the regular season as well.
Just let me know if you are interested in me listing other players with Super Bowl rings who said Jones missed open receivers on Sunday.
Huh?
Jones was a trainwreck.
We live in a society now where you're told not to believe your own eyes.
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Jones was a trainwreck.
We live in a society now where you're told not to believe your own eyes.
Eyes see what they want to see regardless of reality. To be able to accurately judge what we are seeing would require us to drop our biases to become objective.
On the other hand, things are not always as they seem.
To be clear, I am not defending Jones. I think there is more to what you said than you stated.
But unless you are watching the broadcast from the All 22 view or you're sitting in the 300 section in the end zone, identifying why things went poorly does take analysis.
That Jones played poorly was easy to observe. What went into it is worth debating and reviewing.
That depends. Was my first view of something enough to gather quality information? I saw a struggling qb on Sunday. However, if someone that is reputable claims they have evidence of the contrary, I probably should at least see what they are talking about, perhaps I missed something in my evaluation.
Run away, run away!
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don't need some other person, site, pundit, metric, etc. telling you what you saw.
That depends. Was my first view of something enough to gather quality information? I saw a struggling qb on Sunday. However, if someone that is reputable claims they have evidence of the contrary, I probably should at least see what they are talking about, perhaps I missed something in my evaluation.
You need some new piece of info this week to inform you more about what your eyes have seen for the past six years?
Jones was a trainwreck.
We live in a society now where you're told not to believe your own eyes.
Jones was a trainwreck.
We live in a society now where you're told not to believe your own eyes.
Yup, was just going to post this.
The reason why Jones is so bad is debatable, but the fact he was so bad is not.
We can talk about him being rusty. We can talk about the fact that he isn't all the way back from the knee injury which is effecting his already weakish arm and his accuracy.
But we need to realize that QB's go through progressions and it seems Jones is unable to do this.
Qb's need pocket awareness, Jones seems to PTSD.
Jones also tried to run a few times and looked like he lost a step.
If he stinks it up next week and we lose, it has to be over for him.
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Did you guys watch on Sunday?
Jones was a trainwreck.
We live in a society now where you're told not to believe your own eyes.
Yup, was just going to post this.
The reason why Jones is so bad is debatable, but the fact he was so bad is not.
We can talk about him being rusty. We can talk about the fact that he isn't all the way back from the knee injury which is effecting his already weakish arm and his accuracy.
But we need to realize that QB's go through progressions and it seems Jones is unable to do this.
Qb's need pocket awareness, Jones seems to PTSD.
Jones also tried to run a few times and looked like he lost a step.
If he stinks it up next week and we lose, it has to be over for him.
Very fair take.
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don't need some other person, site, pundit, metric, etc. telling you what you saw.
That depends. Was my first view of something enough to gather quality information? I saw a struggling qb on Sunday. However, if someone that is reputable claims they have evidence of the contrary, I probably should at least see what they are talking about, perhaps I missed something in my evaluation.
You need some new piece of info this week to inform you more about what your eyes have seen for the past six years?
No, I made up my mind with Jones last year. My comments really do not have anything to do with Jones. More so about the way we perceive what we are seeing.
They seem more interested in pissing off the fan base than anything else. What a bunch of clowns.
This organization is a mess from top to bottom. Give it a couple of more years and we will be Washington North with a checked out fan base.
The narrative for DJ's career has been "He's never had a functional/average OL to operated behind"
Well - 3 of the 5 sacks were on DJ's pocket presence.
He got exactly that last week - an average NFL OL performance.
Apparently now he need's the Cowboys 90s Oline.
They seem more interested in pissing off the fan base than anything else. What a bunch of clowns.
This organization is a mess from top to bottom. Give it a couple of more years and we will be Washington North with a checked out fan base.
Dottino going on WFAN and pleading for gettleman to get another year before he got fired was pathetic. Mara loves Giants nostalgia more than winning. It was kind of funny to see the embarrassment on Sunday during the 100th year celebration
The narrative for DJ's career has been "He's never had a functional/average OL to operated behind"
Well - 3 of the 5 sacks were on DJ's pocket presence.
And this was called out last season by some analysts but a lot of people here refused to believe it. His actions exacerbated the problem of a weak OL.
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lol certainly feels like it.
The narrative for DJ's career has been "He's never had a functional/average OL to operated behind"
Well - 3 of the 5 sacks were on DJ's pocket presence.
And this was called out last season by some analysts but a lot of people here refused to believe it. His actions exacerbated the problem of a weak OL.
It's insane how many fans and this front office completely washed away Jones' last season. Yes it was only 6 games but it was alarmingly poor.
Jones also missed several open guys with horrible throws. Big Blue Banter does a good review
Jones was a trainwreck.
We live in a society now where you're told not to believe your own eyes.
It is simply mind-numbing to actually watch a Daniel Jones led-Offense play season after season.
However, that doesn't come close to the brain-dead spin we have to hear & read about from those defending him; blaming other players and coaches; comparing him to other QBs who may have struggled; and waiting to see if he can put it together next week/next year and finally become a quality QB.
Jones? Nope! His shortcomings are all due to the Oline, the WRs, Injury, fan sentiment, alignment of Jupiter, etc. There is no world for some in which Jones just simply isn't a good QB.
It would be a fascinating case study on why the Giants PR efforts favor certain players over others.
What's the difference between Jones and Lock? With Lock teams saw enough of him to realize that he is not an NFL caliber qb.
Jones got an extension with big money.
At this point I would play DeVito and hope he improves. We have already seen that it won't happen with the other two.
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don't need some other person, site, pundit, metric, etc. telling you what you saw.
That depends. Was my first view of something enough to gather quality information? I saw a struggling qb on Sunday. However, if someone that is reputable claims they have evidence of the contrary, I probably should at least see what they are talking about, perhaps I missed something in my evaluation.
You need some new piece of info this week to inform you more about what your eyes have seen for the past six years?
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lol certainly feels like it.
The narrative for DJ's career has been "He's never had a functional/average OL to operated behind"
Well - 3 of the 5 sacks were on DJ's pocket presence.
And this was called out last season by some analysts but a lot of people here refused to believe it. His actions exacerbated the problem of a weak OL.
They seem more interested in pissing off the fan base than anything else. What a bunch of clowns.
This organization is a mess from top to bottom. Give it a couple of more years and we will be Washington North with a checked out fan base.
If you worked for a big corporation you would understand that they won’t do that if they want to keep their jobs.