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With the 1st pick in the 2025 NFL draft, the NY Giants ...

Beezer : 9/11/2024 9:11 am
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Now, I don't expect this to actually happen. The fan in me thinks there are enough good players here that the team gets some wins. The cynic in my thinks there's no way - even with a shot at the No. 1 pick - that the team actually does what's needed to get it (ie, they win a couple meaningless games to drop to 3rd or 4th).

But let's say the Giants DO lay the biggest turd of a season out of a 12-pack (or so) of crappy seasons, and we at LEAST have THAT to cheer for as the season sputters to a merciful end. If that ...

What would you want to see the Giants do with that No. 1 pick? Is quarterback a foregone conclusion with the pick? Or given players in college now, just getting started on THEIR seasons, would you prefer a trade-down (and if so, how many would be OK and how many is too many?) and in the event of your "dream" trade-down, what THEN?

YES it would have to be QB  
jvm52106 : 9/11/2024 9:14 am : link
but if we were picking 1 there might be some teams looking for a change that we could get an established VET QB and may other picks and assets..

But, I would draft my guy if it were me.
If they are picking first  
dannyman3131 : 9/11/2024 9:17 am : link
It has to be a QB. No debate at that point. If they are picking in the top ten(which looks likely) it should be a QB.
I think Quinn Ewers is going to be  
barens : 9/11/2024 9:21 am : link
talked about ahead of Carson Beck when all is said and done. Might be a controversial take, but Ewers just gets better and better.
Running Back  
ThomasG : 9/11/2024 9:22 am : link
Run the ball, Stop the run, Rush the passer.
The Giants WILL be selecting a QB for their first pick  
gersh : 9/11/2024 9:24 am : link
The only 2 questions are:
1- Which one
2- What did they have to give up to get him

Personally, I'm tired of this death by a 100 cuts
Let's have a shitty season that means something and get the draft pick we need
QB  
Biteymax22 : 9/11/2024 9:25 am : link
If this happens I'm hoping we never pick anywhere near this high again, so I'd want to take my shot at a franchise QB that can be here for 10-15 years.
RE: I think Quinn Ewers is going to be  
PatersonPlank : 9/11/2024 9:26 am : link
In comment 16605374 barens said:
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talked about ahead of Carson Beck when all is said and done. Might be a controversial take, but Ewers just gets better and better.


Ewers has been on the national scene since he was 18 yrs old and skipped his HS senior year to enroll at Ohio ST. He started at Texas as a 19 yr old kid. Some people have more negative perceptions about him because of that, but the kid has literally grown up in the public eye. He always had the skill, but he is a different player now (as all 21 yr old kids are vs their 19 yr old version). I think when its all said and done Ewers will be in the top 3 of the QB rankings, maybe #1 depending on the combines etc. I also think there are 3 or 4 QBs who will be very highly rated in the draft, a much stronger draft than people though 1 year ago
Obsession with #1 QB  
varco : 9/11/2024 9:29 am : link
I can't see how any kid QB is going to lead this team out of the wilderness right out of the gate. We've seen too many rookie QB's on bad teams ruined by placing the full load on their shoulders. The team surrounding the QB would need to be really good, especially on the OL and defense, given the inevitable turnovers with a rookie QB. The strategy I would employ would be similar to that the Giants used when Eli was drafted. Have a competent veteran QB carry the load initially until the rookie gains some solid traction. I would be focusing on good current backup QB's or starters needing a change of scenery to run the offense while the rookie grows up.
From the Giants' perspective  
Spider43 : 9/11/2024 9:36 am : link
I think Beck is in the driver's seat. Make no mistake, Schoen was at the Georgia game to scout him. I'd have Ward in the lead now. But the season is still early, and I seriously doubt we'd have the number one overall pick (even if I'd love it).
I'll go there  
Giantsfan79 : 9/11/2024 9:46 am : link
slight trade down to still get a QB but also more picks
They Need a QB  
MojoEd : 9/11/2024 9:50 am : link
Penix, JJM and Nix weren’t good enough for them. I am sure they can rationalize passing on the 2025 prospects. I am not going down this rabbit hole again.
If it's that bad  
Sean : 9/11/2024 9:58 am : link
Would it make sense to try to trade Thomas & Lawrence each for a first+?
Cam Ward  
bluesince56 : 9/11/2024 10:09 am : link
Miami
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Go Terps : 9/11/2024 10:17 am : link
It would be so Giants to pass on the better WR product than Nabers (the monster WR at Arizona) so they could pick a QB that might not be as good as one of the guys they passed on last year to draft Nabers.
*better WR prospect  
Go Terps : 9/11/2024 10:18 am : link
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RE: Cam Ward  
Big Rick in FL : 9/11/2024 10:20 am : link
In comment 16605427 bluesince56 said:
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Miami


Yes!! If he can continue this level of play he's definitely going to be in consideration for the #1 pick. I was a big fan of him at Washington State and he's gotten even better. Doesn't get the love that a lot of other guys do because he played out West, but if Miami keeps this up he will start getting the recognition he deserves.

Here are his numbers through 27 career games (Ages 20, 21 & 22)

He's completing 66.1% of his passes for 7657 yards with 54 passing TDs and 17 INTs. He also has 248 rushing yards and 14 rushing TDs.
QB  
DavidinBMNY : 9/11/2024 10:20 am : link
When you pick 1 you shoot your shot. I expect them to pick in top 3 picks naturally this year and to take a QB.
RE: If it's that bad  
nygiants16 : 9/11/2024 10:21 am : link
In comment 16605415 Sean said:
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Would it make sense to try to trade Thomas & Lawrence each for a first+?


I am sorry sean, but why the hell wouldnyou trade from one of the most important positions in football, who is already locked up in Andrew Thomas

and why would you trade Dexter Lawrence? He is locked up long term..

Team needs a QB they dont need to start selling off pieces that are signed long term
RE: Cam Ward  
M.S. : 9/11/2024 10:26 am : link
In comment 16605427 bluesince56 said:
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Miami

Huge fan of Cam Ward.

H.U.G.E.

I'm not crazy about him hiring himself out to the Canes, but that's the world of professional football at the NCAA level.

But who is gonna argue with these stats after 2 games down in the Sunshine State:

46 for 61 (75.4% completion rate)
689 Passing Yards (345 YPG)
6 TD Passes
1 INT
It's funny  
Jerry in_DC : 9/11/2024 10:27 am : link
JJM (aka QB4) probably would go #1 in the 2025 draft

Cam Ward probably would have entered the 2024 draft if he had a 1st round grade. So the guy who might be QB1 in in 25 would have been QB7 in 24.

Now QB is so unpredictable that any of them may succeed or fail.
Right now  
Breeze_94 : 9/11/2024 10:34 am : link
Beck seems to be the favorite but like others have mentioned there is a lot of guys playing the QB position really well in the college game right now. - Ewers, Dart, Ward, and Sanders (who I don’t think they’ll draft))
RE: It's funny  
Big Rick in FL : 9/11/2024 10:39 am : link
In comment 16605458 Jerry in_DC said:
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JJM (aka QB4) probably would go #1 in the 2025 draft

Cam Ward probably would have entered the 2024 draft if he had a 1st round grade. So the guy who might be QB1 in in 25 would have been QB7 in 24.

Now QB is so unpredictable that any of them may succeed or fail.


This is a dumb way to look at it. Jayden Daniels would have been a 3rd or 4th round pick at best if he entered the 2023 Draft. He didn't and he went 2nd overall. Same could be said for Penix & Bo Nix if they came out after their 3rd year in college. Instead they all stayed in college for 5 or 6 seasons.
Trade out of the first  
MattinKY : 9/11/2024 10:39 am : link
Get a vet and keep adding draft capital for a future No 1 pick QB worth drafting @ 1.
RE: .  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/11/2024 10:41 am : link
In comment 16605436 Go Terps said:
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It would be so Giants to pass on the better WR product than Nabers (the monster WR at Arizona) so they could pick a QB that might not be as good as one of the guys they passed on last year to draft Nabers.


We need to see how the QB prospects end up this year before making that statement.
I think the team needs to  
Dankbeerman : 9/11/2024 11:07 am : link
do everything in its power to trade for Number 1 if they don't earn it themselves. be at the top of the draft early then dig over the entire class of QBs and see who is your guy.

RE: .  
GiantTuff1 : 9/11/2024 1:35 pm : link
In comment 16605436 Go Terps said:
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It would be so Giants to pass on the better WR product than Nabers (the monster WR at Arizona) so they could pick a QB that might not be as good as one of the guys they passed on last year to draft Nabers.

I am laughing and crying at the same time.
RE: .  
djm : 9/11/2024 1:43 pm : link
In comment 16605436 Go Terps said:
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It would be so Giants to pass on the better WR product than Nabers (the monster WR at Arizona) so they could pick a QB that might not be as good as one of the guys they passed on last year to draft Nabers.


So no matter what they do next April, it's wrong. I guess there's no way the QB they might pick next April is better or more highly rated than the likes of JJM, Penix or Nix. Seems like a stretch to believe that especially if they are picking the 1st QB in next year's class. But whatever works.
I will save you the retort  
djm : 9/11/2024 1:45 pm : link
I defended Jones and this franchise hasn't done anything right since man invented fire and ---yea that should cover it. Both things are true to some extent but I did want a new QB this past April.
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Go Terps : 9/11/2024 1:45 pm : link
I watched a lot of Ward, Penix, and Nix the last couple years. I like all three, but I think Penix is a notch above the other two. His accuracy and arm strength are, I think, the only ++ ability you'd find in the three of them.

I do have high hopes for a great year from Ward this year though. He's fun to watch.
RE: RE: .  
Go Terps : 9/11/2024 1:47 pm : link
In comment 16605747 djm said:
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In comment 16605436 Go Terps said:


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It would be so Giants to pass on the better WR product than Nabers (the monster WR at Arizona) so they could pick a QB that might not be as good as one of the guys they passed on last year to draft Nabers.



So no matter what they do next April, it's wrong. I guess there's no way the QB they might pick next April is better or more highly rated than the likes of JJM, Penix or Nix. Seems like a stretch to believe that especially if they are picking the 1st QB in next year's class. But whatever works.


It's amazing watching you build yourself up from crestfallen on Sunday evening all the way back to full optimist the following Saturday. I have got to give you credit.
Could the 2025 quarterback class be better than the 2024 class?  
The Mike : 9/11/2024 2:13 pm : link
I am not sure why 2025 gets such a bad rap. Seems like a lot of guys popping up on the radar. And while it is much too early to tell, the 2024 class feels to me like it may be overrated. I think Maye and Penix are legit NFL quarterbacks with elite ceilings. But Caleb Williams still seems suspect to me - from both a passing accuracy and emotional intelligence standpoint. Daniels may be more of a runner than a passer and may have the same problems as RGIII. Looking forward to how he looks on Sunday against our vaunted defense. And JJM and Nix continue to feel very "DJ-ish" to me. Time will tell.

But watching some of the early returns from Beck, Ward and Ewers, as well as Dart, Weigman and Sanders et al, I am thinking this year may be better than people expect. Gun to my head, if the Giants have a top three pick, I would go with Beck, Ward and Ewers in that order, but that could change if Ward and Ewers keep balling out. Hopefully we will have the luxury of getting to choose next year.
RE: They Need a QB  
k2tampa : 9/11/2024 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16605408 MojoEd said:
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Penix, JJM and Nix weren’t good enough for them. I am sure they can rationalize passing on the 2025 prospects. I am not going down this rabbit hole again.


I actually think there may be more QBs in the 2025 class who are better than this secondary group from 2024. They might not go as high due to less need by teams in the top 10. But there are several guys who have real good potential if they put it together. Beck, Ewers, Ward, Dart, Nussmeier, Milroe, Moss, Gabriel (older, and short, and maybe showing Nix's success was the system), Allar, and, yes, Sanders, though I doubt the Giants will want anything to do with him. Then you have some intriguing second level options, such as Howard and, can't believe I'm saying it, McCord. They all have some warts. But at this point no one knows where these guys will be ranked. After a few weeks of conference games we'll have a much better handle on who deserves to be ranked high.
They waste  
darren in pdx : 9/11/2024 4:03 pm : link
#1 picks constantly so I don't care what they trade away at this point to get a QB. If that QB busts, they'll be gaurenteed top 5 picks to keep trying every year until they get one..
I'm dumb,  
darren in pdx : 9/11/2024 4:04 pm : link
they wouldn't be able to keep trying if they give away a bunch of #1's..lol. This team has fried my brain, I need to stop posting.
Schoen would trade it away for  
Sec 103 : 9/11/2024 4:42 pm : link
a bag of game used footballs.
I'm really intrigued by this years class  
JFIB : 9/12/2024 11:45 am : link
I want to see how guys like Nussmeier progress and specifically Miller Moss. I think they both have smarts and accuracy.
RE: RE: RE: .  
djm : 9/12/2024 12:42 pm : link
In comment 16605757 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16605747 djm said:


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In comment 16605436 Go Terps said:


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It would be so Giants to pass on the better WR product than Nabers (the monster WR at Arizona) so they could pick a QB that might not be as good as one of the guys they passed on last year to draft Nabers.



So no matter what they do next April, it's wrong. I guess there's no way the QB they might pick next April is better or more highly rated than the likes of JJM, Penix or Nix. Seems like a stretch to believe that especially if they are picking the 1st QB in next year's class. But whatever works.



It's amazing watching you build yourself up from crestfallen on Sunday evening all the way back to full optimist the following Saturday. I have got to give you credit.


I am miserably hopeless and this probably won't change. I was just saying there's a chance next year's top 3 QBs are higher rated than JJM, Penix and Nix.

Don't worry I won't exhibit any hope any time soon. We don't want that around here...
like I said  
djm : 9/12/2024 12:43 pm : link
talk to me around 2031. 50 year anniversary of 1981. Everything lines up on a cosmic level.

Only 7 more years to go.
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